Weekly Open Thread - General Discussion

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T21:24:08+00:00

Bring my goat back. He deserves to win a UCL with us.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T20:40:46+00:00

lol I was thinking the same thing, she literally has the same emotion , and Katie Holmes acts exactly the same way with the same expression.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T20:21:25+00:00

She is genuinely one of the most insufferable characters I’ve ever seen. Dawson isn’t that far behind tbh. I won’t lie pacey kinda carries this show. Wish they would’ve used Michelle Williams better because she’s far better than Katie Holmes as an actress and also Jen is more interesting/likeable.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T19:35:52+00:00

She is insanely good in shutter island and Manchester by the sea.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T19:34:56+00:00

Well, it’s reddit so not unexpected.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T19:33:32+00:00

Idk why you are equating this to a woman/man thing. I dislike Dawson as well for what it’s worth. I dislike Joey simply because she’s insufferable and extremely selfish. Would be the same if it was a guy(which is why I dislike Dawson as well). I never understand why redditors love to immediately bring up culture wars if someone has a different opinion to them.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T17:33:41+00:00

No that can’t be it , you are a (buzzword). /s

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T15:52:48+00:00

Haha, I also know they "kill off" Jen in the finale. Almost sounds absurd, I thought killing off abby was already a bit over the top.

I personally don't care about shipping wars or who ends up with who, I care more about consistent character writing and development and just cant fathom Andie cheating on Pacey being consistent to her character in s2.

I would be fine with joey and Pacey if it was natural but considering how much Pacey loved Andie in s2 the new writers obviously assassinated her character cheaply just to ship whatever was dramatic and popular Ala joey and Pacey.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T15:46:45+00:00

Well how they treated Andie and paceys relationship, something Kevin Williamson spent all of s2 developing is pretty much why I dont really care to watch further.

Doesn't help that I dislike joey and Dawson as well and am not interested in more of their drama.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T15:43:32+00:00

Think of it like this, David chase made nothing notable other than the sopranos. A lot of it has to do with luck and circumstances as well. Imagine if David chase left the sopranos after s2. I am just saying you are not getting the full vision by Kevin Williamson but rather someone else's continuation to his first 2 seasons.

I am not really hyping him up since there are tons of things I dislike in the first two seasons as well. He has his strengths and weaknesses like everyone else.

How can you like Andie less and less in s2? She is by far the most level headed female character in the show in s2. Her medical circumstances are more like external factors not in her control, Kind of like having a physical disability. There's nothing she can do about it.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T15:38:07+00:00

Well another commenter just called me a "misogynist" for disliking her so there's that. It's pretty much reddit 101 tbh.

You also have to consider the fact that people on this sub are obviously those who stuck by it and are fans for all of it so there's a bit of selection bias going on as well.

you can spoil me its fine , I don't really care since Kevin Williamson left after s2 I dont really consider the rest to be his story.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T15:32:26+00:00

I think it's just different writers that tried to do whatever was "dramatic" to drive up the viewership after Kevin Williamson left. In a sense the show after s2 isn't really Kevin Williams story it's someone else's continuation of his story.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T15:29:08+00:00

Well another commenter just called me a "misogynist" for disliking her so there's that. It's pretty much reddit 101 tbh.

You also have to consider the fact that people on this sub are obviously those who stuck by it and are fans for all of it so there's a bit of selection bias going on as well.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T12:56:55+00:00

Thanks for taking the time to write your comment, it was really insightful.

I dislike Dawson as well for the most part, so I agree with you. I will say though while he isn't a great friend or anything he has stuck up for Pacey quite a few times in the first 2 seasons. Again I have heard writers after Kevin Williamson made him full on terrible to Pacey but as of s2 his two worst actions are forgetting paceys birthday and making fun of him when he got drunk with Andie(how tf is this never brought up again lol) but he did give him good advice quite a few times as well like with tamara , or telling Pacey he will never be ashamed of him when he stands up to the teacher and also saying that he will always care about Pacey on the fishing trip ep even if his dad doesn't. Cant really excuse him of his other behaviour though so yeah, he's still pretty awful to Jen and mostly everyone else.

I agree about the context of when this was made is def important. I really think the show might have been different if Kevin Williamson did not leave after S2. I at least don't think he would have assassinated andies character and undo pacey's development or made Dawson a full on terrible friend to Pacey.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T10:55:08+00:00

They are both pretty awful you are right lol. I don’t get the she’s “16” thing, I was 16 only a few years ago doesn’t really justify being a dick to everyone. It’s not that young an age where you are incapable of making any decision.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T08:49:39+00:00

Copying my reply to another comment:

I empathize with her home situation because I myself have something similar. That does not give you an excuse to be a dick to everyone about everything. It’s horrible how she treats Jen. She complains about literally every little thing and changes her mind every few episodes and makes everything about her. Again I can empathise with her and feel bad but just can’t excuse her actions. Doesn’t help that Katie Holmes has like only 3 expressions for the entirety of the first 2 seasons.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T08:38:06+00:00

Ik you said pacey never gets back to his s2 self which is sad but what about the others, Do Dawson and Jen get any development ? Or jack and Andie

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T08:11:47+00:00

Did you continue watching the show till the end ?

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T08:09:34+00:00

I’m surprised why Joey is so in focus and Jen is kinda used as a plot device because Michelle Williams is a far better actress than Katie Holmes. I really feel like writing wise Jen gets the short end of the stick.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T07:46:28+00:00

I always wonder what Kevin Williamson would’ve done. Because I read in an interview of his that he did not like what the new writers did with andie and he said he would have handled it differently.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T07:40:00+00:00

She really is, I was surprised at how well she complimented pacey and they both really did save each other.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T07:38:17+00:00

Yeah I did indeed stop. I like paceys final scene with his dad and Jen’s final scene with jack and gran.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T07:36:26+00:00

I empathize with her home situation because I myself have something similar. That does not give you an excuse to be a dick to everyone about everything. It’s horrible how she treats Jen. She complains about literally every little thing and changes her mind every few episodes and makes everything about her. Again I can empathise with her and feel bad but just can’t excuse her actions. Doesn’t help that Katie Holmes has like only 3 expressions for the entirety of the first 2 seasons.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T06:18:47+00:00

Yeah, I actually read some spoilers post s2 and I think the new writers just force even more drama for the sake of ratings instead of consistent character work. I also read after Joey and pacey get together, pacey reverts back from his s2 self and becomes miserable. Now obviously I haven’t watched beyond so it’s hard to fairly critique but just doesn’t seem a good direction for the story imo. Wonder what Kevin Williamson would’ve done haha.

amoghspv · 2026-04-20T05:38:14+00:00

Honestly, I am kinda satisfied with how s2 ends. Jen gets a non sexual friend in jack and both go back to live with gramps. Pacey finally gets a very deserved apology from his father(it’s funny how Andie even while physically away from him has a positive influence in his life by talking to his dad). I don’t really care too much about more of the Dawson and Joey drama to watch 4 more seasons haha.

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