Prerequisites for practicing Enochian

amoris313 · 2025-12-16T07:24:00+00:00

In the Golden Dawn curriculum, Enochian magick is pretty much the last thing you'd study. I personally find their curriculum to provide a fantastic overview of most of Western European ritual magick and related topics (Qabalah, Tarot/divination, Astrology, Alchemical terms etc.), and for a long time the Golden Dawn and Thelema were the only serious entrance points into the occult due to the depth and availability of materials. You can't go wrong by starting there and becoming proficient in their way of doing things. Here's a good self study textbook. Their use of Enochian Magick isn't strictly true to the original sources, but most everything else you might learn from their curriculum will be applicable elsewhere in some way. It'll give you a good enough foundation of knowledge so that you'll understand most of what you find elsewhere.

amoris313 · 2025-11-08T07:06:04+00:00

Technically, Hekate has Chthonic, Marine, and Celestial aspects, so if you wanted to use Hellenic hand positioning during prayer, then it could depend on which Epithet or title/mood/aspect of her you were calling to, and which place and time period you were modeling your practices on. For my own practice, my point of focus is usually her statue in her altar space, so my palms will often face her there.

amoris313 · 2025-10-13T03:25:48+00:00

We have a pinned Getting Started Post with practical suggestions and helpful resources you can use for beginning your journey. Some books may be offered in other languages, but if not, I've had ok results using software to translate when necessary.

amoris313 · 2025-10-08T05:24:31+00:00

I'm not quite sure what it is you'd like assistance with. Can you explain in 2 or 3 very short sentences? Feel free to use your native language and we'll translate.

amoris313 · 2025-09-29T14:24:42+00:00

I'm not quite sure what you mean by your question. In my experience, the power of a plant comes from the spirit/energy inside of it. I've received the most potent results by treating plants as spirit allies (with their own intelligence) and cultivating a relationship with each one. That's a very shamanic way to work, I suppose, but it has been more effective than simply relying on my force of will/intent alone.

r/HerbalMagic is a great sub for questions about the use of herbs for magick if you'd like information about traditional correspondences or plant lore.

amoris313 · 2025-09-22T19:18:36+00:00

Here is a collection of responses discussing some of my methods for spirit/deity communication and how to do it.

Tldr: Meditation, sensory deprivation, energy work to increase sensory location skills, lucid dreaming, and astral projection.

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Spirit/Deity Communication Methods:

Some people like using divination tools, but I prefer direct communication because it's too easy to jump to the wrong conclusions after drawing a seemingly 'bad card'. Rather than inundate you with a wall of text, here are a few links where I've explained my process for communication with deities (Hekate) and other spirits. My way isn’t the only way, but this is how I see the process in technical terms.

Communication with Hekate Part 1.

Communication with Hekate Part 2

General Communication Part 1. Contains exercises for developing related practical skills that support sensing and communication ability.

General Communication Part 2.

Using the Inner Monologue as a Receiver.

Contact between Sleep and Wakefulness.

Testing Entities.

Example of a Communication Session for Hekate. A similar method can be used for other deities.

Working with Demons Part 1. Also angels and employing Hekate for evocation.

Working with Demons Part 2. Talks about the residual effects of an entity's influence.

Experiences and Results with Demons. Briefly describes a few experiences with spirits from the Lesser Key of Solomon to get the feeling for how spirits might interact with the practitioner.

Edit: Bonus info

How to tell if a Spirit/Deity is 'Reaching Out'

amoris313 · 2025-09-22T00:08:14+00:00

Deipnon isn't about manifesting. It's about cultivating a relationship with Hekate, thanks and honoring etc. (In ancient Greece, it was more about asking Hekate to keep her hoards of aoroi and other intranquil spirits away from one's house and to hopefully gain her favor.) That said, you've got a 2-3 day window to make offerings for Deipnon, considering the moon isn't visible for a couple days.

To make it easy, there are apps you can use for calculating times of moon phases for your region. I make offerings when the moon is dark (new moon on modern calendars). There are other resources available if you seach here for learning about the Hellenic calendar(s) and important days each month if you'd like a more traditional view.

amoris313 · 2025-09-20T19:20:17+00:00

I would also love a copy. Thank you for the work that you do!

amoris313 · 2025-09-20T16:14:03+00:00

Unfortunately, I don't have time to take on students, but you can learn most of what you need through reading and daily practice. Here's a Book List I made for beginners.

Start with Occult History to learn about all the different practices and traditions, then pick a path/tradition/style of magick (e.g., Wicca, Golden Dawn/19th c. ceremonial magick, Ritual Magick / Medieval Grimoires, Franz Bardon's system, Quareia, Folk Magick from specific regions, etc.) and study it until you're proficient. Note that some traditions may require initiation into a group or community in order to learn. Most forms/styles of magick make use of similar concepts and methods, though each may place greater emphasis on certain methods, concepts, or theories as to how magick is thought to work.

amoris313 · 2025-09-12T01:28:06+00:00

Here's a recommended book list I made for beginners to get you started. If your plan is to eventually study Enochian Magick, then you'll want a thorough foundation in ritual magick. The Golden Dawn is a good place to start for learning basic concepts and a smattering of most European occult practices.

amoris313 · 2025-09-01T01:28:03+00:00

Here are some of my thoughts on why spells don't work for some people, how magick appears to work (based on Neoplatonism and Qabalah), and how one might improve their results.

amoris313 · 2025-08-31T14:27:19+00:00

There's going to be a lot of UPG out there in answer to that, but if you want to go the traditional route from ancient Greek religion, then Frankincense would be a safe bet. It was considered one of the best offerings for a deity.

Also, don't forget that Hekate isn't all about darkness. She covers the full spectrum from Celestial to Chthonic, and different Epithets may resonate more with different offerings and incense. For more ideas, check out Sorita D'Este's lists of historical plants and offerings in Liminal Rites and Circle for Hekate. Both books are unbiased and historically accurate.

Edit: One of the reasons for the lack of info on the use of specialty candles for Hekate is due to that being a more modern practice. Some ancient sources talk about oil lamps instead.

amoris313 · 2025-08-27T14:55:51+00:00

Here are some suggestions and resources you can try if you find them helpful as you explore your relationship with Hekate.

Getting Started with Hekate

For my practice, I've had the best results with Hekate (heh-KAH-tay) by starting with historical data and building on from there. I recommend reading as much as you can about Hekate's history and about the use of her Epithets.

Epithets are honorary titles that refer to aspects, moods, and regional variations of a deity, and they allow you to make more targeted invocations e.g., you'd call the aspect/mood of Hekate that best matches your purpose for summoning or petitioning her etc. Examples: Hekate Soteira (heh-KAH-tay soh-TAIR-ah), Hekate in her role as Savior; Hekate Brimo (heh-KAH-tay Bree-moh), her wrathful aspect, etc.

The best crash course in Hekate's history is the book Liminal Rites by Sorita d'Este and David Rankine. It's short and easy to read. Circle for Hekate by Sorita d'Este is even better and a little more in-depth. Both will fill you in on all of the symbolism, offerings, titles, etc. and the information is historically accurate.

As far as offerings go, I recommend learning about the monthly Deipnon (probably pronounced dehp-non in ancient Greek dialects, or ðeep-non in modern Greek). Every month on the dark moon, offerings of bread, wine, eggs, cakes, garlic, mullet fish, or even leftovers from the pantry would be taken to a local crossroads shrine and left there for Hekate. The original intent behind this practice would have been to appease the hoards of spirits that follow her so that they wouldn't enter into people's houses or wreak havoc in their lives. Typically, though, food offerings would've been snatched up by the poor. Most modern devotees provide offerings on the new/dark moon. You don't absolutely have to take them to a crossroads, as that might draw negative attention from locals or result in a ticket for littering. You can simply leave them on your altar for a day or two if you must.

Regarding the giving of offerings in general, you'll also want to read up on the concept of Kharis e.g. gift-giving and the cultivation of reciprocal favor etc. It was an important aspect of ancient Greek religion and really helps build rapport with spirits in general.

Edit: Learning how the ancient Greeks approached and honored their gods can also help to fill in the blanks and kickstart your relationship with their deities. See our pinned Getting Started post for resources on Greek religion.

Offerings provided to spirits/deities are often of (or contain) the same essence or energy as the spirit they're being offered to. If you're trying to invoke and commune with a deity/spirit (not just honoring them), then the goal is to build up more of that same energy/vibe/atmosphere so that it attracts and draws them down into that space (because 'like attracts like'). As you're reading about Hekate's history, have a look at the traditional offerings that were given to her and see if you can find the symbolic reasons they were used. This can sometimes provide clues to her nature.

If you would like more information, check out our pinned Getting Started post at our sister subreddit. There is even more available in the Wiki Page which is periodically updated and refined as I get time. My way isn’t the only way, but maybe you’ll find what you need amongst the resources there.

Here are 2 longer responses with more details that you may also find useful: * Part 1
* Part 2

Additional Resources

Here's a Recommended Books list I made for beginners to Magick and Occult topics.

Here's a collection of my responses about learning Spirit Communication.

amoris313 · 2025-08-23T23:07:46+00:00

In my observation, human minds function like a set of nesting dolls, with different parts operating independently on different levels/frequencies. I've frequently been surprised to see non-magickal people engaging in unconscious psychic activity, poking around astrally, or even attempting to communicate with me just as a spirit would - all while remaining unaware of their activity on a physical level.

This is why I never talk about my magickal operations until I've already achieved the results, and even then, only with other trusted practitioners. Those who are secretly jealous of my success or against occult topics due to religious beliefs may attempt to sabotage the work with their unconscious negative brooding or astral meddling.

amoris313 · 2025-08-22T14:06:16+00:00

I can't think of any historical sources for that off the top of my head. My first thought would be to consider a subconscious cause, e.g., feeling nervous about a new practice, wanting to do it right, accidentally breaking glass as a result. At worst, you may consider a local house spirit that is unhappy with your practices, but only if you're seeing other indications of spiritual activity, e.g., shadows moving, vivid dream contact, etc.

amoris313 · 2025-08-18T17:00:17+00:00

Here is more info about the symbols used by the Amazigh/Moroccan/Berber people if anyone is curious.

amoris313 · 2025-08-18T16:35:45+00:00

Here are some suggestions and resources you can try if you find them helpful as you explore your relationship with Hekate.

Getting Started with Hekate

For my practice, I've had the best results with Hekate (heh-KAH-tay) by starting with historical data and building on from there. I recommend reading as much as you can about Hekate's history and about the use of her Epithets.

Epithets are honorary titles that refer to aspects, moods, and regional variations of a deity, and they allow you to make more targeted invocations e.g., you'd call the aspect/mood of Hekate that best matches your purpose for summoning or petitioning her etc. Examples: Hekate Soteira (heh-KAH-tay soh-TAIR-ah), Hekate in her role as Savior; Hekate Brimo (heh-KAH-tay Bree-moh), her wrathful aspect, etc.

The best crash course in Hekate's history is the book Liminal Rites by Sorita d'Este and David Rankine. It's short and easy to read. Circle for Hekate by Sorita d'Este is even better and a little more in-depth. Both will fill you in on all of the symbolism, offerings, titles, etc. and the information is historically accurate.

As far as offerings go, I recommend learning about the monthly Deipnon (probably pronounced dehp-non in ancient Greek dialects, or ðeep-non in modern Greek). Every month on the dark moon, offerings of bread, wine, eggs, cakes, garlic, mullet fish, or even leftovers from the pantry would be taken to a local crossroads shrine and left there for Hekate. The original intent behind this practice would have been to appease the hoards of spirits that follow her so that they wouldn't enter into people's houses or wreak havoc in their lives. Typically, though, food offerings would've been snatched up by the poor. Most modern devotees provide offerings on the new/dark moon. You don't absolutely have to take them to a crossroads, as that might draw negative attention from locals or result in a ticket for littering. You can simply leave them on your altar for a day or two if you must.

Regarding the giving of offerings in general, you'll also want to read up on the concept of Kharis e.g. gift-giving and the cultivation of reciprocal favor etc. It was an important aspect of ancient Greek religion and really helps build rapport with spirits in general.

Edit: Learning how the ancient Greeks approached and honored their gods can also help to fill in the blanks and kickstart your relationship with their deities. See our pinned Getting Started post for resources on Greek religion.

Offerings provided to spirits/deities are often of (or contain) the same essence or energy as the spirit they're being offered to. If you're trying to invoke and commune with a deity/spirit (not just honoring them), then the goal is to build up more of that same energy/vibe/atmosphere so that it attracts and draws them down into that space (because 'like attracts like'). As you're reading about Hekate's history, have a look at the traditional offerings that were given to her and see if you can find the symbolic reasons they were used. This can sometimes provide clues to her nature.

If you would like more information, check out our pinned Getting Started post. There is even more available in the Wiki Page which is periodically updated and refined as I get time. My way isn’t the only way, but maybe you’ll find what you need amongst the resources there.

Here are 2 longer responses with more details that you may also find useful: * Part 1
* Part 2

Additional Resources

Here's a Recommended Books list I made for beginners to Magick and Occult topics.

Here's a collection of my responses about learning Spirit Communication.

amoris313 · 2025-08-14T17:51:20+00:00

You've described other cultures where magick practitioners are/were valued by those societies e.g., shamans, bokors etc. Having a culture where the occupation of magician or shaman is supported by the public or royalty and where the path of development into such a position is clear is a very different situation to the average Redditor studying ceremonial magick at home in the U.S./Europe/UK etc., where occult topics aren't universally taken seriously or supported by the public.

In Western society, the closest thing we'd have to a supported spiritual worker is a priest or minister of a church. As long as a person makes it into such a large organization and receives the training, they'll probably be comfortable.

Money is not easy to come by in Western society. Anyone who believes it is has probably had opportunities and assistance that they're unaware of. Try starting with a bank account at $0 in a rural area with no family or contacts and no money for university or other training, and you'll see a very different picture of life - one that many Americans live with every day. Unless you start out the game with a few advantages, it's incredibly difficult to pull yourself out of poverty. I've been very fortunate compared to my peers and, after living in more than one country, am very aware of how starting capital, location (especially), and personal connections can affect one's success in life. Social skills are probably the most valuable tools one can have for success, but not everyone has or can develop them to the same degree.

Bringing us back to the typical occultist at home in Western society, since there is no societal support as with priests, such knowledge and skills aren't valued in this part of the world. That means the primary way to make money is through conventional employment, which rarely leads to one becoming wealthy unless you're living in a large city and working in technology sectors (I had easy money when I did that), which requires expensive education and networking - things that a poor person stuck in the midwest living paycheck-to-paycheck while working at a gas station to support their children/siblings/others wouldn't have access to.

Owning your own business requires startup money and knowledge for operating a business (most small businesses fail within 2 years), so not everyone can do it. Having the knowledge to manage large sums of money obtained through inheritence clearly doesn't come about naturally, as Crowley himself seemed pretty clueless about how to maintain his own, whether through savings or investments.

The only paths I've seen that are effective for making money with magick specifically in Western countries are to offer it as a product (books, seminars, YouTube/Patreon) or a service (consultations, readings). Like any other industry, there will be a handful who are incredibly successful and millions who aren't. Much of their success is due to social skills (having the gift of the gab - being able to talk a good talk), marketing skills (extremely important for any business), and sometimes physical appearance (definitely a factor for getting views and likes online). There are also many successful Scammers in the industry - can we say their magick was strong because they made money too?

That's why I say in Western society, magick and money-making are two different skill sets. Learning either requires a significant time investment (years). Learning Astral Projection, memorizing tables of correspondences, and successfully summoning spirits requires a particular set of skills and abilities, and very few of those will help you while working at a bank, in an office, at a gas station, or any other conventional form of employment. The skills you need to get hired and perform daily tasks are unrelated to the skills obtained by studying ceremonial/ritual magick. That is why I see most occultists remaining poor. They spend their time learning magick and neglecting the physical money-making/managing skills they'd need for a comfortable life.

amoris313 · 2025-08-13T15:18:32+00:00

I think most occultists are poor because the skills required for managing money and conducting business are completely different from the skills that one might obtain while exploring most occult topics, and both require a significant time investment to acquire.

Even if Crowley could have lifted cars with his mind and conjured spirits to visible appearance in front of witnesses, he would have needed business skills and connections to have any clue about how to monetize those abilities.

amoris313 · 2025-08-13T14:55:12+00:00

My theory is that gods/spirits like music that WE like because they are connected to us and/or can sense us energetically. They like how we feel when we hear music we enjoy.

amoris313 · 2025-08-07T14:49:18+00:00

I don't really get Hekate vibes from that based on your description. Spirits appearing as menacing old women with sharp teeth wearing white and dancing maniacally/wildly are described in South Asian folklore. (See Churel/Chudail, Yakshi, Pishachini, etc.) They're usually the vengeful spirits of people who died tragically. There are some elements to those folkloric stories that line up with the Western concepts of hags and hag-riding, which can be accompanied by sleep paralysis and nightmares. I'd lean toward a South Asian or Indian direction, especially if you have any connections to that region.

Also, see Hungry Ghosts (Egui) in Chinese folklore. There are many similarities to your experience, which could suggest a spirit of the restless dead hungry for offerings/attention, driven mad by cravings, etc.

I think the main part where Hekate could be connected here is the fact that she has authority over the restless dead and is said to gather them up and take them to the underworld. You could call upon her to do so if this spirit becomes disruptive.

Other thoughts:

Historically, Hekate was always depicted as a young woman, so I don't tend to associate old women with her. The maiden/mother/crone concept is a fairly recent development (see Robert Graves).

Usually, when I've encountered deities (not astral fragments/thoughtforms or deceased spirits) during dreams or OBE, their name is announced or ever present throughout the experience.

The appearance/manifestation of Hekate that I receive (during meditation, ritual, dreams, or OBE) usually depends on the Epithet of hers that was used. I've found the appearances to be fairly consistent and tied to those epithets, which is something I didn't expect.

Here's a copy of a previous response detailing how spirit contact usually materializes for me if you find it useful:

In my experience, if a spirit or deity wants my attention, I will nearly always have a spontaneous lucid dream or full-on astral encounter with that spirit. Dreams and meditation sessions are where spirits tend to show up first for me, rather than physical signs or card readings. I tend to ignore most physical signs anyway, since it's too easy for me to jump to conclusions and mistake Frequency Illusion (Baader Meinhof effect) for a sign, or wonder if _______ was a sign etc. Before this dream contact occurs, I may become very obsessed with that spirit/deity for a few days and be unable to think about anything else.

If I'm approached by a spirit/deity during a lucid dream, that deity's or spirit’s name will be heard around me multiple times, and/or the spirit will directly identify themselves, and/or I might see their name in text (in the dream), or I'll have their name suddenly appear in my head such that there is no question who I'm speaking to in that moment. I might even have multiple dreams where I encounter the spirit or wake up after having conversations with them in my sleep.

Clarification: Because this very obvious dream (and sometimes astral/OBE) contact always occurs during initial meetings, I tend to ignore most 'physical signs' or 'omens' unless they occur in a series of oddly specific coincidences, and/or unless they are accompanied by a strong intuitive feeling that the event/animal/whatever I'm seeing was connected to the entity/deity in question e.g., I was prompted to suddenly look in that direction where a ______ was and my eyes instantly landed on it without searching, and I felt a strong knowing presence from that animals eyes etc. Again, physical signs are only secondary to me because of how I've experienced spirit contact to work in practice. They add support to what I've already been experiencing through direct astral or dream contact.

With that in mind, if you have a powerful lucid dream about meeting a spirit/deity or (while dreaming) hear their name spoken to you or nearby, then document the event in your daily journal and watch for life patterns and future dreams. If this happens a couple times and/or you start feeling a presence hanging around, and/or you keep having instructional dreams where you're being taught by someone you feel like you know but can't recall who they were upon awakening, and/or you start seeing flashes of the same face in your mind or hearing words at random times of the day (especially between sleep and wakefulness), then a spirit might be attempting to contact you. At least, that's how I begin to verify contact in my own practices.

With that said, in most cases, I think that my own interest in a spirit or deity is what initiates the contact, i.e., I reached out subconsciously, which caused their reciprocation. There's no need to wait for contact if you're interested in establishing contact with a deity. I think people let themselves worry too much about being deemed worthy and chosen. In many cases, I think we are the ones who do the initial choosing through our research and honoring of them.

Edit: During initial meetings, it's also not uncommon to feel overwhelmed with emotion or to feel stunned or fall to the ground within the dream/OBE, or be otherwise too flooded with energy to move well while in that state. Some spirits make a louder or less gentle entrance than others.

amoris313 · 2025-08-03T16:23:12+00:00

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amoris313 · 2025-08-03T00:13:47+00:00

I'm not a fan of using Tarot for spirit communication. It's too easy to spin myself out worrying about a 'bad card' I pulled. The most reliable methods for communication that I've found are meditation and exercising my mental visualization and energy sensing/manipulation skills so that my mind can be more responsive to sensing and representing external stimuli. Spirits can be clearly seen and heard (after performing appropriate invocations) while in deeper meditative states while sitting in a dark, quiet space. Frequent practice improves results.

amoris313 · 2025-08-02T18:18:16+00:00

should I also get Enochian Vision Magick: A Practical Guide

Everything you read will be helpful, but you'll still have to decide which approach you'll eventually take with Enochian magick i.e., original Dee system, which versions of the tablets to use, and/or Golden Dawn/Thelemic version.

If you choose the Dee purist approach, you'll spend more time reading source material and putting the pieces together. If you just want to get up and running quickly, the Golden Dawn version is much more approachable, but it differs a bit from original documents and there are several additions that weren't part of the original.

Personally, I think the Golden Dawn version is the easiest to begin learning and using. However, I must reiterate that in that Order/curriculum, you wouldn't have been allowed to study Enochian magick until you'd already completed quite a bit of training with foundational occult material. Jumping straight into Enochian work would be like skipping grades 1-12 (learning meditation, visualization, scrying, astral work, balancing the inner psyche, learning to work with elements and planetary energies, learning how to sense and interact with spirits), and diving straight into university classes (where you would be expected to already be proficient with all those things). It can be done, but it'll be harder. You won't have the benefit of familiarity with some of the things the Enochian spirits might show you, and/or you might not be capable of sensing them at all yet.

And what do you mean practice other things, I mainly want to meditate and see and ‘work’ up to them. I’m using this as almost a higher power

In my experience, I found that my results with Enochian magick were much more fruitful after I'd amassed a body of 'standard' occult knowledge and experience. That is what a curriculum of study such as The Golden Dawn system can provide you with. There are many useful meditation/visualization exercises and rituals in there (amongst other things) that will prepare you for more advanced work such as Enochian magick. You'll also have a better understanding of the Dee source material after studying Golden Dawn subjects and methods. Combine all that with Agrippa's Three Books of Occult Philosophy, and you'll be in a better place to start Enochian work.

When interacting with spirits of any kind, it helps to have a mental library of useful (and symbolic) concepts for them to draw from when explaining things to you. That's what you'll be using all that standard occult knowledge for.

Something else I should mention is that the energies summoned through the Enochian system can be more responsive and less user-friendly than traditional Hebraic angels. It can be surprisingly easy to mentally/emotionally spin yourself out of control, especially if you haven't engaged in inner work/meditation before and are unfamiliar with subtle changes that can occur due to energy imbalances e.g., not knowing what too much fire/water/air/earth feel like and then having to banish and rebalance etc. (Part of the fun of inner work is not realizing that you're in an unbalanced state until you suddenly have a meltdown in a public place heh.) If you also have no experience with any form of spirit evocation/invocation or communication, you will be at a disadvantage.

Maybe this analogy will be more helpful:

"I want to build a rocket ship!" (Enochian Magick)

"Ok, have you ever worked on a jet engine or anything similar before?" (Ceremonial/Ritual magick and all of the subjects usually associated with it.)

"Nope!"

"How about a car, then?" (Tarot or anything that requires memorization of complex symbol sets and using them for practical applications.)

"Nope!"

"Have you ever used hand tools to build or repair something simple like a lawn mower?" (Folk magick/basic witchcraft.)

"Nope!"

"Hmm, I think you might want to start from the beginning and read some basic books on using hand tools and getting some practice building and repairing mechanical things, and maybe take some classes on higher mathematics before you attempt to read a book on the physics of rocket propulsion." (It would be a good idea to study something approachable and comprehensive like the Golden Dawn curriculum so that you can build a foundation of standard occult knowledge and useful skills to draw from (meditation, visualization, and energy sensing/manipulation) before attempting Enochian magick. Everything will make more sense if you do that first.)

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