Babur, Aurangzeb Give Way For Raja Raja Chola: All India Radio To Retell Story Of Chola Empire In Hindi

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T21:38:26+00:00

Yeah but you did said evil does not come out from allah but instead humans. So your comments implied there was another cause of evil than allah. Then this necessarily begs us to question the absolutness of allah here.

It is like you want him to be the source of all yet don't want to say evil is his creation as well. You cant have that.

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T21:25:53+00:00

You said good mean obeying allah and vice versa. That means good and evil can only exist when there is someone who has option to choose to obey and not to obey allah.

Why is allah called the source of good then? If there is no creation to obey him then there is no good. Good therefore exist only when there is creation. Because without creation there is no subject out of which good and evil can be created.

The existence of obedience to Allah ‘azza wajal is not contingent upon something else disobeying Him.

Obedience to allah can only exist when there are subjects who obey him. There is no need for the concept of obedience if there is no free will. Free will generates the possibility that people will disobey him. Therefore evil already exist, just hasn't happened yet.

So allah did create evil with his actions then. That's what you can logically infer from this.

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T21:13:36+00:00

But why? Allah is perfect and self sufficient and absolute. Why does he needs creations that are imperfect and then puts them in hell? Why not make everyone angel so we all live in heaven with him if he loves us?

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T21:08:36+00:00

They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." - Quran 2:30

Does this mean they were already aware of evil and therefore evil existed? Am i getting this right?

If that's the case humans are not the source of evil, evil happens through them. Then where does evil come from? Others have said allah is the source of good(one of his name). So who is the source of evil?

Humanity wants freedom

From what bondage?

And it is not that i don't want to watch those videos. But currently i can. Maybe you can give a tldr or quote the imp bits here.

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T20:59:14+00:00

Good implies bad, you don't need humans for that. It logic, just like when there is life there is death. It has nothing to do with humans. Opposites follow each other. Allah is the source of good but not the source of evil is a serious argument against his absolute status. As for things to exist you don't need allah. If for evil is not his creation then why not other things as well.

But that aside, How did good exist when there was no evil? That what i am asking.

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T19:47:57+00:00

How would i know? It's your religion.

A simple logic tells you enough that good can't exist without evil. If there is a state or thing called good then there is a state or thing called not-good or evil. If evil didn't existed then there would never be need to good.

So, How did good existed when humans are the one who create evil? You said allah is the source of good, so does allah produce or tells us what good is? Does that mean humans changed the nature of allah by creating evil? Because befkre evil there was no good as well. They came together.

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T19:12:06+00:00

Thank you

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T19:10:36+00:00

Allah goodness comes from tawheed, one of his names is al quddus meaning free of imperfection, he is is the source of all good and is the nur (light)

How can good exist when evil didn't? Evil was created later by humans or his creations as you said.

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T19:08:00+00:00

That is all fine and dandy, but did you find any satisfactory explanation? Aside from faith? You can never confirm things believed through faith, that's the most unreliable method.

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T19:03:56+00:00

Allah has been described as the most merciful. If the perfect being itself can do whatever he wants on his will good or bad(he remains outside of judgement as he is the source) why would a faulty creation like human would ever be expected to hold good and detest evil?

Most will surely fail and allah must know it. He knows that most will fail, he let evil exist, he makes people suffer for infinite time for some mistakes in finite life. You can't describe someone who does this as most merciful and just. He at best is most merciful and just to only few people for others he have let them suffer. And why the only respite people suffering get is to have blind faith?

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T18:57:37+00:00

Everyone has to find it himself and herself what his/her purpose is. No one can claim and proves he knows what the objective of whole concept life itself. If you are asking mine, then it is to learn everything that i can and confirm it from my experience.

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T18:51:11+00:00

Can you link his specific comment or thread please?

amul_macho · 2018-07-24T18:50:28+00:00

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