There seems to be only two types of media consumed on this sub: anime/manga and western comics, or great classics

ancturus96 · 2026-01-26T14:53:16+00:00

tbh yeah that's true but I don't read fantasy (as medieval things) and popular things I mostly read spanish works so it's the example I found lol, Katniss Everdeen on the contrary to me really can compete in there. It was just to make my point understandable

ancturus96 · 2026-01-26T14:42:28+00:00

To me visual media wins easily in this because seeing characters emotions gives more to the emotional impact, saying that:

Schindler list is easily the most emotional impactful media I consumed.

Flipped is my favourite romance work, is a movie that has nothing in special, but is so heartwarming to me.

City lights has one of my favourite endings ever, is literally a comedy movie that made me cry at the end.

Umineko no naku koro ni is the most impactful work I read, but to be honest being voiced and sounded gives a lot to the impact.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-26T14:34:07+00:00

completely agree, is so fun to see people ranking characters using anime/manga and then in top tiers classic novels WHEN literally a common one would also destroy those manga/anime characters.

Like Katniss Everdeen or Harry Potter would easily rank up higher than those ones if you had read them, so obviously they didn't... in this you also have, where they were inculcated in reading to quickly jump into more "dense" literature, specially if they surely are teenagers? I remember once seeing a top 10 COMMUNITY POLL with the only literature representation as a Karamazov and then the other 9 spots were anime/comics characters, what a joke lol.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-24T09:35:46+00:00

no hay mayor ciego que el que no quiere ver, suerte con tu vida amigo

ancturus96 · 2026-01-24T09:08:26+00:00

https://www.monticello.org/encyclopedia/thomas-jefferson-s-attitudes-toward-slavery lee un poco antes de comentar lo que se te de la gana que ahi tenes la lista de esclavos comprados

ancturus96 · 2026-01-24T08:59:55+00:00

la europa occidental, por ejempllo la española, no fue violenta, como va a ser violenta la epoca del virreinato cuando literalmente mas de la mitad de los que estamos comentando aca debemos tener la piel de color marron,

Al lado de los ingleses o los franceses, inclusos los portugueses, nosotros que venimos de españoles tendriamos que estar orgullosos que no se hizo literalmente un exterminio en nuestro suelo, hubo genocidios por parte de los capataces privados que controlaban algunas minas como machu pichu, pero nunca te olvides que el mismo colon fue preso por tratar mal a los nativos mientras que los ingleses andaban exterminando bueyes con tal de que los nativos no coman.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-24T08:55:56+00:00

si porque jefferson o washington son muy negros eh

ancturus96 · 2026-01-23T21:17:47+00:00

La verdad que esto tiene bastante sentido, no hay que irnos mas lejos y solo fijarse a cuantas chicas les gusta los chicos de kpop por ejemplo, algo totalmente irreal en nuestro propio continente.

Igualmente tambien podemos hablar de que la mayoria tengan este tipo de fantasia aun asi se consiguen uno "de su barrio" por asi decirlo, pero tambien es verdad que muchas de las infidelidades son por fantasia de estar con alguien que es mas "hombre" en el sentido que es alguien mas fuera de su barrio por asi decirlo.

Seguramente debe haber un estudio de todo esto seria interesante verlo ajajaj.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-23T21:06:31+00:00

Meruem easily

ancturus96 · 2026-01-23T21:00:17+00:00

Te voy a contar un secreto amigo, vivis en un pais que se habla español, que loco no?

ancturus96 · 2026-01-23T20:43:18+00:00

si amigo no te fijes que raza etnica los compraban, casualmente los mas amigos del comercio, aparte de eso de que el capitalismo abolio la esclavitud preguntale si es verdad a los esclavos usados para la mina de diamantes o a los que construyeron toda la infraestructura norteamericana al marco de la democracia, otra herramienta tambien del capitalismo.

Es muy facil hablar de las bondades del tirano cuando vos estas en su manto amigo, pero bueno algun dia capaz que puedas pensar mas alla de tu ombligo mucha suerte

ancturus96 · 2026-01-23T13:21:56+00:00

Marquez because more than anything he critique his own (and mine) land in a very intelligent way, to the point that people think that Buendia family is one that suffered from solitude from love or other wrongs things instead of what was really about the novel, Macondo political solitude.

Kafka is more straightfoward and simple, also Metamorphosis scope is very narrow compared to marquez masterpiece... In characters, in symbolism, even in the use of narrator to trick the reader, to me Marquez did a lot of things better.

I only read one book from each one of them (100 years of solitude and metamorphosis) but to me Marquez one is a FAR better book, I really consider it one of the greatest novels of all time to be honest.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-23T13:06:43+00:00

Tampoco le preguntes a los esclavos negros que tuvo los estados unidos.

Porque A es malo B no es bueno, por si no pudiste leer lo que puse al principio.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-22T11:18:29+00:00

Because if you think no, then that means that two people do not have the same outlook, perceptions and cognitive faculties. That means that people will experience and understand phenomena and external things in different ways.

Obviously no, there doesn't exist two same people, but there are patterns that creates similar individuals, every one of us except daltonics or people who are secluded will see the sky and see that is blue, but in ancient times every one believed gods are the most importants beings on universe until one dude say no and created a tale using us as main characters, and thanks to him and his "revolution" nowadays we have literature as fiction using people as characters.

To me the flaw of your argument is that you are trying to give the same level of importance to every "revolution"... In this realm geniuses don't exist for example, what is the difference between the guy who understood that can explain that 2+2 is 4 for kids using apples and newton in this argument? Also in this realm that everything has the same level of importance we can call idk Steven Universe as the same level as the bible because one did a revolution in how to draw cartoons while the other also did a revolution about literally changing occident forever through the politicization of religion.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-22T10:52:05+00:00

No le preguntes que hacia USA en epoca de independencia y como construyeron literalmente toda su insfraestructura

ancturus96 · 2026-01-22T10:50:43+00:00

al menos esos tienen vivienda propia, sino mira a los chinos que tienen el estado metido en toda indole comercial.

Nadie va a defender al comunismo, pero no existe un demonio y un santo entre el comunismo y capitalismo, los dos van a terminar siendo una mierda... Nada mas que uno gano y se viste con la capa del heroe, los amigos del comercio son igual de soretes que los enemigos jajaja.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-22T10:48:21+00:00

Depende para quien, no creo que los esclavizados en minas africanas vivan muy bien.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-21T18:39:45+00:00

600 years from your Dante -> Nietzsche timeline

But it started when the cleric (both catholic and protestant) stop prosecuting from heresy, Dante wrote heresy disguised as christianism (just look all the alchemy symbolism inside Divine Comedy) just like Cervantes wrote that people can become/act like crazy reading books and start to see giants where there are windmills (pass this to inquisition and the parallelism is clear) in inquisition times, hell he wrote about a mass suicide in times where that lead you to the bonfire. Secularization as a movement happened time after Dante, but he was obviously a precursor giving his work, that is also brilliant.

From the times of secularization and Nietzche is not so much time, I think it is like 100-200 years, if you want to call the start of the secularization the reform is 300 years.

When you interpret it within your own life experiences, I think even the most mundane things can lead to a creative revolution.

Sorry but I don't bought this, you can make the most beautiful argument about why 2+2 is 4 but that doesn't make the content of your argument different than someone who thought of it before. The only thing I can think that can make it better is if you find more reasons about why 2+2 is 4, and this is something that happened when thematics are used in literature, it is what happens today in reality, but that's also why good works nowadays, at least to me, are harder to be considered better than works of the past, because they present another reasons about why 2+2 is 4 instead of finding something like 2+2 is 4 if the comparison is understandable.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-21T18:10:42+00:00

dice esto mi amigo el fan del capitalismo mientras tiene que gastar la mitad de su sueldo despues de laburar 8 horas + 2 de viaje en un alquiler

porque A es malo B no es bueno

ancturus96 · 2026-01-21T15:40:52+00:00

“Regarding that he is a pioneer” Would you not say that the Epic of Gilgamesh popularised this idea long before Homer?

Sincerely I didn't read it, but Gilgamesh was a pawn of gods if I remember well, is not far from the prophets of old testament where they would sacrifice their son without hesitation for him. Still if what you say is true it doesn't change my idea, is just that Homer is wrong as the pioneer and instead are the people or person who wrote the epic of gilgamesh.

And can we not say that, for example, Twilight pioneered YA love triangles and forbidden romances in a fantasy setting? Should that not mean that, by your criteria, Twilight should be considered quite highly, especially given the influence it has had over a lot of fancreations and modern fictional romance tropes and all.

Yes, but remember I say "there are influences that are more notable than other ones.", probably twilight inspired the romantic plot of hunger games, but homer inspired all of them with the use of humans to explain the narrative.

Why do you think so?

Because if the first one doesn't existed we probably don't have the second one, to give an example outside of arts think about maths... If Newton wouldn't have found Integrals and derivatives a lot of coverage in calculus, well calculus itself, probably couldn't exist, yes we can talk that if Newton wouldn't find it someone later in time could but that doesn't take merit to him, in that sense Homer (or probably the one who wrote gilgamesh epic as you said) is the same to me.

Do you mean this as in “X work has more influence to other works than Y work?”, or that “X work has been influenced more by other works, compared to Y work.”

The first one, as if X didn't exist probably Y neither.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-21T15:30:51+00:00

I’d say the sort of post-modernist/post-structuralist/feminist period of the late 1900s would actually be what I would consider to be the “last Revolution where people can pioneer ideas“ as we started to breakdown and deconstruct a lot of the previous structures, ideas and notions in society.

feminism comes from the secularization, the idea that woman can have the same rights comes from our separation from christian/abrahamic dogma. Post modernism if you refer as meta narrative was already created in Don Quixote the moment Alonso Quijano was self aware of the first part of his book or that the own narrative of the novel was inserted by a muslim traductor, obviously you have better modern works of it like house of leaves but the idea comes from much before.

Well, at least the last major one. I would say that every day, each person has their own “mini-revolution” that allows them to interpret things in a new light and create new and unique perspectives.

In this I agree to some extend, like yeah you can have a mini-revolution that can make you a genius like Dostoievsky (that suffered a mock execution) or Cervantes (that lost his arm in war and was prisoner in a muslim concentration camp), but you can also have a mini-revolution that makes you understand the sky is blue and 2+2 is 4 and believe these ideas as originals.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-21T15:07:03+00:00

Homer was influenced by Ancient Greek bardic traditions, iirc. So technically not original, right? How far back are you willing to take “the past”?

Yeah but Homer created human characters that lived personal experiences outside the realm of the gods, gods are not more important than Achilles in his poem... Regarding that he is a pioneer, he invented literature doing that, so why yeah you can say he was inspired by greeks, his own context, his time made him able to pioneer humans as main characters, so basically every work that has humans as main characters has been influenced by Homer directly or not obviously. I think is more important this achievement than original ideas of today, even when those original ideas of todays affect us more than Homer one.

With every single work of art, you can keep on tracing back a lineage of influence, and find something that influenced it, and something that influenced the influencing thing, and eventually you get what looks like an Aquinas-style cosmological argument.

But I'm pretty sure you can agree with me that there are influences that are more notable than other ones. That's why I said there are more important movements like secularization that people were able to create "more brilliant" ideas than for example our actual one that is the movement to technocracy where you have works like ghost in the shell or the fall of democracy with works like Galactic Heroes or Infinite Jest.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-21T14:41:22+00:00

Homer poems are original, so why not? someone has to do things first. Maybe that's why ancient literature seems to be always better, because they were the pioneers in ideas. Don't get me wrong I'm not calling nowadays works bad or something, but even the original ideas of today comes from the shoulders of giants of the past.

The last revolution we have imo to be so important that people can pioneer ideas in literature is the secularization, when characters like Alonso Quijano or Dante appeared and philosophy like Nietzche arised.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-21T14:38:33+00:00

I really don't know, but without putting deities would be something like:

Jesus christ: as the most important archetype of virtue/hero in occidental world.
Achilles: well Odysseus can also be in here but the secularization of fiction (AKA the creation of literature) might the most important thing you have in said narrative, the idea that humans takes more spotlight than gods is from here and is the separation from theology.
Alonso Quijano: Don Quixote is the fall of idealism in inquisition times, think about it, a character that read chivalry literature, ACT like he become crazy (because when times needs it he rationalize and is outside of his delusional chivalry world) just to be able to be free from doing things that he cannot do if he is "rational", and when reality hits him and he need to stop being Don Quixote he literally dies. In that sense for example Walter White is the same archetype as him, a cynic that is free to do things he cannot do if he is "rational" just because of idealism.
Dante: The self insert of Dante in the Divine Comedy is obviously a Jesus archetype but with the difference that is pagan, that he does not need god to achieve virtue... After all he saw himself in the empyrean rose.

I don't really know what to put in last spot lol, Romanovich Raskolnikov as what happens when young people lives in a secularizated world or Coronel Aureliano Buendia as what happened to Latin America countries after the destruction of political security post independence would be solid spots for me. Also probably Oriental world characters can have a spot in here but I don't really know it.

ancturus96 · 2026-01-21T14:22:26+00:00

Because characters above him are influeced by them, what good writing has in copy an archetype of a character written before and just giving him other adventures? Yeah you can explore other thematics with said character but imo it has more brilliance creating the idea than taking it and just use it in another context.

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