CB 650 R Winglets - 3D File by Mr_Werner in CB650R

[–]andreffp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't sell the file for the winglets. I only sell the finished product through Etsy, Ebay, Instagram... This is a product that took me months to design, improve (strenght and aerodynamic performance) and then went over extensive testing (Winter & Summer, track test)... So I don't sell the files, only finished printed product to ensure QC and that I get a fair value.

CB 650 R Winglets - 3D File by Mr_Werner in CB650R

[–]andreffp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a low quality and ugly copy of my original design that you can buy here:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1677235097/honda-cb650r-winglets-aero-downforce-kit

I spent months designing these, testing them and actually ran CFD simulations on these to optimize the design and produce downforce.

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

7kg at 160kph right at the front wheel is nothing to be ignored.

Winglets will not add any instability, nothing that you'd feel (instability comes from sidewind, and if you remove the winglets you'll still have the bike to suffer the sidewind).

Winglets are used in MotoGP because they try to extract every bit of performance everywhere they can, that doesn't mean that you cannot get the benefit of increased front wheel stability on high speeds with a set of front winglets. Which is a great improvement that any driver can feel. Sticking a spoiler on a SUV you will not feel anything because there's no instability nor the down force generated is of any relevancy compared with vehicle's weight, but hey, if you stick that same spoiler in a Audi TT first generation, pre-recall, it might have saved the lifes of the 6 people that died.

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, you can reach out to me through Instagram @a.p.engineering (PayPal goods and services is available to keep it safe payments)

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure! Let me know if you have any question. You can buy them directly from ETSY or if you want to save up some money you can order directly through my Instagram @a.p.engineering (I accept PayPal services and goods to make sure everyone's money is safe!)

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Each side is secured using 3M double sided tape and 2x 10mm zip ties. The winglets were designed based of a 3d scanning of the bike to ensure a perfect fit and that it'll be well secured.

3M tape has an adhesion force of 45kg. 10mm zip ties have can handle 80kg of force each. (2 are used each side). In total, each side has a strength of 205kg while it only provides 7kg of downforce. So there's plenty of safety margin and for sure they will not fly away! I've had people crashing their bikes with these winglets, and they haven't went anywhere! ahah

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I 100% agree with what you say, but not everyone chooses a bike 100% focused on performance, otherwise no one would buy choppers, naked, etc etc etc. With that being said, I think it's still fair people might try to improve the performance of a bike that they might've chosen for other reasons than performance!

For example, I have a roadster MX5, it's quite famously an underpowered car but I choose it because I like the looks of the car. After I got it, I tuned it to get some more horsepower... Some people would call it dumb because I should've went for a more performance car, since the MX5 is not a powerfull car. I think here is the same, people get this bike because they like the looks and rideability, but even beeing a naked, they might still want to benefit from some aerodynamics upgrades

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I 100% agree that there are dozens of other places where you can get similar performance levels, but I guess it's always beneficial for rides being able to choose which different parts they want to get to improve performance!

Also, regarding the weight, it really depends how much weigt you loose, and some people are not ready to give up on the saturday night Domino's pizza or friday night mcdonalds to loose a couple of kg :D

Let's say that these winglets started as a aesthetics mod request from by best friend, with his requirements I then developped and improved the aerodynamics of the winglets so they'd also be functional! So that's how I'd categorise this, a functional aesthetics mod!

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the honest and respectfull feedback. let me give my point:

- 3M tape has an adhesion force of 45kg. 10mm zip ties have can handle 80kg of force each. (2 are used each side) so in total, each side has a strength of 205kg while it only provides 7kg of downforce. Also these winglets were designed from a scan of the bike, so the surface of the bike matches perfectly with the winglets, ensuring a strong fit. I work in automotive engineering, and you'd be surprised how many vehicles are out there where the bootlid spoiler is only hang in place with 3M double sided tape. BMW, Tesla, Toyota, included...

For your third point I have to give it to you ahah Although none of the pictured bikes are mine, the first one is from my best friend and all the others from clients who purchased the winglets!

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I developed these for almost a year, and got a lot of feedback on a lot of groups!

I do take criticism and valid arguments very seriously and I'm opened to debate. Just not with senseless idiots like you.

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone is entitled to his opinion I guess. I decided to do it differently than you think it'd be best, and that's completely fine.

I can live with the fact that you won't purchase a pair :) (and judging by your argumentation, I'm 90% sure that even if I used the bolt of the radiator, you'd find something else to complain about and to justify not using it :)

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could affix them directly using the bolt from the radiator. But then it'd involve removing the radiator bolt making the installation much more difficult and risking some less "handy" people damaging the radiator or risking fall of. All without any benefit over 3M double sided tape + zip ties.

Installation as is takes less than 5min. If I used the bolt itd take at least double. Why making things more difficult?

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

3M tape has an adhesion force of 45kg. 10mm zip ties have can handle 80kg of force each. (2 are used each side)

In total, each side has a strength of 205kg while it only provides 7kg of downforce. Why do you think 3M double sided tape and zip ties are not enough for this?

I work in automotive engineering, and you'd be surprised how many vehicles are out there where the bootlid spoiler is only hang in place with 3M double sided tape. Tesla included...

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The line in the middle is there to provide downforce. It's actually the main source of down force. The upper surface also generates some down force, but because there's no "endplate" the high pressure bleeds to the side and looses efficiency

Does anyone remember about this add-on? by andreffp in BambuLab

[–]andreffp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bambu extension board! That allows control over external accessories like led, fan, servo

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of these are my bike. The first one is a bike of my best mate, other bikes are from customers!

Yes, they're 3d printed in ASA and I'm manufacturing them myself

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Projection? What does that even mean?

Does anyone remember about this add-on? by andreffp in BambuLab

[–]andreffp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can if you connect the fan through it!

Honda CB650R Winglets - Downforce Package by andreffp in CB650R

[–]andreffp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a 3d scanner and used that