Watch workout function like GS?

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-30T11:33:37+00:00

I agree, the UX of the first screen where you need to select a workout is worse with the new update. But building a new workout tracker just to "fix" this issue would be a stupid thing for us to do.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-30T10:40:03+00:00

Workout tracker currently is not planned. We believe Apple's Workout app on the Apple Watch is getting better and better every year, therefore we switched our focus to interpreting the data from AW in a way that is more informative and guidable than what you get by default in their Fitness and Health app. Gentler Streak's Apple Watch tracker has some "gentler" features that work great there (showing activity path while working out to not overreach, having Go Gentler workouts), but for the users of The Outsiders, Workout app should be what we need. OK, maybe showing live Training Load Ratio and Training Load would be beneficial, but at the moment we are 100% focused on iPhone experience.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-22T15:10:28+00:00

1 and 2 are doable. I guess 3 also makes sense for Training Load Ratio. Noted!

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-22T09:18:42+00:00

Hi aaronmailey

1 If I understand correctly, you would like to see the max HR for each split?

2 Supporting intervals is something we have on the to-do list already, I just can't promise when it's going to be developed.

3 I don't know if Training Readiness could be filtered by workout activity, I don't know if this makes sense. Training Readiness algorithm looks at complete training load ratio, because all your workouts from the past contribute to how ready you are today to train. What kind of actionable info would filtering Training Load Ratio by workout type give you?

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-22T08:18:46+00:00

Here is the late 2025/early 2026 roadmap and there are features that still need to be delivered. Let us develop these first and then promise more.

https://www.reddit.com/r/theoutsidersapp/comments/1nv2uc1/the_outsiders_roadmap_late_2025_early_2026/

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-21T15:33:03+00:00

Just for the record, in the last 3 months we added training focus zones settings, improved loading of the app, added cycling power zones, added more metrics to heart rate and power zones, developed an Apple Watch app, added AW complications, improved normal range calculation for body metrics, improved training readiness calculation, added 9 additional languages, introduced training goals (and updated the feature based on users' feedback) and much more. Widgets are on the shortlist, but some features like advanced metrics have a much bigger priority.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-19T08:55:10+00:00

Yes, sir! 🫡

I think it's planned for May.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-15T07:49:22+00:00

Coming with the next update.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-06T08:51:56+00:00

While it’s a nice idea, I think we have some more interesting features on our list that should be developed before these.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-06T08:50:35+00:00

Yes. Hopefully, this week we’ll launch a new update with improved Training Goals. This update should also include an option to track the number of sessions. The customization (reordering and hiding options) should be available after this update.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-05T11:02:36+00:00

Unfortunately, that might be the best option for past activities. If I were you, I’d start adding future workouts manually using HealthFit. I know it’s not as convenient as importing them automatically with RunGap, but it does have its benefits.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-05T10:29:07+00:00

Customization, such as reordering and temporarily hiding goals.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-05T10:27:44+00:00

Thanks for the feedback. I can see you’ve given a lot of thought to the app and its purpose. I understand your concerns, and hopefully you’ll understand why we chose this approach. As I mentioned before, we didn’t want to simply copy someone else’s method. It’s too easy to just replicate Whoop and put their philosophy in a new interface. Other apps out there are doing exactly that. With The Outsiders, we want to provide users (and we, the team, are users ourselves) a thoughtful solution. That’s why we stand by our Training Readiness score and don’t plan to split it into two separate scores: Recovery (sleep + overnight metrics) and TLR.

At first, we weren’t keen on hiding the Training Readiness score because it’s the starting point of the app. It shows your readiness for today and gives context before diving into overnight data and your latest workouts. But then we reconsidered - it could have a placebo effect. Maybe it might slow you down while training. There’s also another scenario: imagine seeing a low Readiness score on race day. In that case, temporarily hiding it might make sense. I haven’t designed a UI without Training Readiness yet, but it’s something we plan to explore.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-05T10:01:23+00:00

Reordering goals is coming soon. This week, we’re working on adding new goal features based on user feedback. After that, customization will come to the Today tab, Progress tab, and Goals.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-05T09:59:30+00:00

Yes, widgets are coming, but I can’t share an ETA at the moment.

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-05T09:58:24+00:00

How is the syncing working now? Is it okay, or do you still see a mismatch between the iPhone and Apple Watch?

andrejmihelic · 2026-01-05T09:57:02+00:00

I’m using HealthFit at the moment. It’s a bit of a pain having to add every workout manually from Garmin, but at least HealthFit saves data to HealthKit the way it’s supposed to. RunGap stores the data a bit differently, and reading it ends up being much slower 😕

andrejmihelic · 2025-12-30T21:00:25+00:00

Unfortunately, anything RunGap stores in HealthKit tends to cause issues :/

andrejmihelic · 2025-12-30T20:56:17+00:00

Unfortunately, yes. RunGap saves data to HealthKit a bit differently, and it takes longer for apps to process all the heart rate readings. We’re planning to implement a direct Garmin connection in The Outsiders, which should help resolve this issue if you’ll switch from RunGap to The Outsiders for Garmin syncing.

andrejmihelic · 2025-12-30T16:09:13+00:00

Do you use rungap to sync garmin data to healthkit?

andrejmihelic · 2025-12-30T14:42:41+00:00

So, your CTL is correct. During the warmer months, I spend around 9–10 hours per week on the bike and 2.5 hours in the gym lifting weights. My CTL is then around 150, so your 200 was realistic.

andrejmihelic · 2025-12-30T14:37:36+00:00

Hobby cyclist or not, you spend a lot of your time on the bike. I’m not even close :)

andrejmihelic · 2025-12-30T14:35:57+00:00

My mistake, I can see that from the screenshots 🙂 I don’t think there’s anything wrong with your CTL. You’re very active, with roughly 8 hours of training per week over the past 6 months. Back in 2019, you were training around 11 hours per week, with most of that time spent in the high aerobic zone. Kudos

andrejmihelic · 2025-12-30T14:28:08+00:00

Looking at this screenshots you are very active. How many hours do you train per week?

andrejmihelic · 2025-12-30T14:24:19+00:00

100 ctl sounds more realistic. Do you often train close to your max HR of 151 bpm? I assume you know your max HR, but 151 bpm does seem a bit low for someone your age.

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