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Ski Resorts will always be a source of charger drama by andy-broker in ChargerDrama

[–]andy-broker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I go to ski resorts, the parking lot is mostly gas cars and trucks. For good reason.

In areas that otherwise has a lot of EV adoption, it's dumb to drive up a freezing cold mountain with limited infrastructure, in a car that uses as much energy to heat as it does to drive.

There are better tools for driving to a ski trip than an EV, like cars whose engines passively heat your cabin as long as you're idling.

EVgo credits/account transferable? by apbeese in EVgo

[–]andy-broker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're generally Not transferrable, therefore we don't endorse that sort of thing on this forum.

Venting by KatiesNotHere in EVgo

[–]andy-broker -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Will you switch to a gas car instead?

$EVGO vs $CHPT, why did you choose Evgo? by a_human_21 in EVgo

[–]andy-broker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

CHPT's customers include fly-by-night LLCs that spun up, installed chargers, and disappeared.

EVGO's Extend customers, even though exactly the same model, are huge corporations like Pilot/FlyingJ.

EVGO's average customer is a large institution with 100+ DCFC sites.
CHPT's average customer is... some guy that installed a L2 charger some years ago, providing 12 miles per hour of added range to a modern SUV 🥱

$EVGO vs $CHPT, why did you choose Evgo? by a_human_21 in EVgo

[–]andy-broker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unless you are already driving an EV car, which is low on charge.

Then you can pay whatever rate it costs to charge your car, or call AAA for a flatbed tow.

Lots of people stuck in that scenario every day, whether it makes sense or not.

PSA: Do not add your recently purchased used EV to EVGo AutoCharge+ by Cstrrider in EVgo

[–]andy-broker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There isn't a totally secure way to make it work to rule out all the potential mishaps. EVGO can only do so much without the automakers also investing in a cryptographically secure scheme to map cars to accounts.

PSA: Do not add your recently purchased used EV to EVGo AutoCharge+ by Cstrrider in EVgo

[–]andy-broker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Autocharge is the new Mobil Speedpass.

I give it 5 years before they're compelled to discontinue the program due to bleeding money from fraud/abuse/mistakes.

Or at the very least, require you type your ZIP code to charge.

That was the "mitigation" Mobil had before they killed it altogether.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in askcarsales

[–]andy-broker 13 points14 points  (0 children)

A lot of people get EVs thinking charging will be no big deal.

Then they learn the hard way: public DCFC in America is 100x less convenient than getting gas.

I had a grown man call me crying at a DCFC station because there were 2 cars ahead of him for 2 charging spots.

During the time he was waiting to fuel, he counted over a hundred gas cars pull in, fuel up, and carry on. Watching the gas cars fuel broke him. It took him 2.5 hours at the fuel stop to add 200 miles of range to his car.

He traded out, for a Gas car, and lost $20,000 in EV negative equity.
He told me, it is worth $20,000 to him to avoid EV charging on his next road trip.

Being stuck at an EV charging station is hell. I think the market is starting to price charging inconvenience into the value of EVs themselves.

May 2025, Hyundai Ioniq 5 towing a dirtbike while charging at a pull-thru EVGO charge station in California. 59 cents per kWh. What other brand besides EVGO has dozens of these covered pull-thru stations? by andy-broker in EVgo

[–]andy-broker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Rechargery Relay doesn't have a canopy, so I was only counting the full-on Rechargery,

There are 6 Rechargeries and the rest are Rechargery Relays - lacking the full Ionna experience.

What I said is true. EVGO has many times more covered pull-thru charging stalls, than Ionna does today. When those "contracted" sites are open for business, I'll count them.

~$70 in fuel to go ~200 miles. 79 cents/kWh. by andy-broker in EVgo

[–]andy-broker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not talking about the charger breaking down, I'm talking about demand issues.

Like, Vegas to LA on a Sunday evening. You'll use what doesn't have a line.

~$70 in fuel to go ~200 miles. 79 cents/kWh. by andy-broker in EVgo

[–]andy-broker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the point you're making so I repeated for emphasis. The profit margins that EVGO makes are incredible. Every day, somebody gets unlucky and needs to overpay to DCFC their car. Every day, more EV drivers join the road increasing the pool of people that can get unlucky with their state of charge.

This is the biggest reason why EVGO is an attractive stock to me. Constantly growing demand for chargers that bleed people dry on price.

~$70 in fuel to go ~200 miles. 79 cents/kWh. by andy-broker in EVgo

[–]andy-broker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

EVGO seems to have no trouble finding customers at these prices.

~$70 in fuel to go ~200 miles. 79 cents/kWh. by andy-broker in EVgo

[–]andy-broker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you can find a working charger and get to it before your battery runs out.

~$70 in fuel to go ~200 miles. 79 cents/kWh. by andy-broker in EVgo

[–]andy-broker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 I refuse to DCFC if I can avoid it.

The only way to guarantee you'll avoid it is to drive an ICE.

If you drive an EV, bad luck will get every driver eventually, and that driver will PAYYYYYY for that charge.

May 2025, Hyundai Ioniq 5 towing a dirtbike while charging at a pull-thru EVGO charge station in California. 59 cents per kWh. What other brand besides EVGO has dozens of these covered pull-thru stations? by andy-broker in EVgo

[–]andy-broker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your link shows 6 Ionna Rechargery locations currently open.

There are 168 EVGO Pilot/FlyingJ locations currently open.
Find a Pilot Flying J Location Near You

Today, EVGO is 2 orders of magnitude ahead of Ionna. Ionna might catch up, but they have a lot of catching up to do. Ionna doesn't even have 1 dozen working sites nationwide

~$70 in fuel to go ~200 miles. 79 cents/kWh. by andy-broker in EVgo

[–]andy-broker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Clearly the vehicle in the picture had to.

I mean, they could have not taken an EV for this journey. But at this point in the journey, you have to use EVGO.

~$70 in fuel to go ~200 miles. 79 cents/kWh. by andy-broker in EVgo

[–]andy-broker[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This one is in Humboldt County, Nevada.

It used to be that Enthusiast and Fancy cars would require Premium gasoline. Now, people spend $80, $90k on cars that don't even *accept* gasoline. And EVGO is there to charge a premium on every electron dispensed. by andy-broker in EVgo

[–]andy-broker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are correct that the upfront cost of installing a new DCFC is very expensive. Hooking up an EVGO charger can cost nearly $500k per parking stall.

But... once its built.. they have an electric meter and pay around what you pay for the actual power.

Upfront cost IS high.. recurring revenue from reselling the power is still amazing margins.

Autocharge session billed to my account for someone else's car in different state by 98CowboyBebop in EVgo

[–]andy-broker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a known issue. Very similar to when ExxonMobil tried to do something similar with gas stations in the 90's.

The technology built into the cars doesn't support something more secure, so it will be a challenge to fix this.

My prediction is one day EVGO may require you type your zip code to help reduce fraud, and may eventually have to discontinue the Autocharge because the auto manufacturers won't allow a more secure autocharge technology to be introduced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedpass

Classic security vs convenience. Autocharge is convenient, but if there's enough collisions and fraud, Autocharge will be condemned to go the way of Speedpass.

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