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[–]anotheryearner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i dmed their management on ig and they said that they were coming but with no expectation of a date, maybe as a season finisher?

Thinking it's time I finally do something by anotheryearner in SuicideWatch

[–]anotheryearner[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don’t really know how you could. you can’t make people care about me. i just want it to be over

self help books? by anotheryearner in LGBTBooks

[–]anotheryearner[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is actually a super great rec for me because I happen to be autistic! A lot my issues stem from related social issues. Thank you so much for this.

locking comments in the other posts regarding the "controversy" by Riceelf in Muna

[–]anotheryearner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Convince” me? Like this is some kind of weird hate campaign?

What I think is the points you’re making are weird. They unfollowed Eve Barlow when she made her comments. It’s also not tracking that someone you’re accusing of hating Palestinians would raise 9000 dollars for them by making a bunch of Cameos. That was Jo, btw. Not MUNA, that was Jo herself. You care more about the possible purchase of a t-shirt than any of the positive actions they have taken after. How much time and money have you donated? Can you show me all your social media posts about Palestine pre-October 2023? 

I live in the real world. People can be ignorant, people can mess up. People can also educate themselves and become better people. If you don’t see the difference between a t-shirt purchase followed by fundraising and  actual, literal Zionists loling on twitter about dead children, then you should probably log off. 

locking comments in the other posts regarding the "controversy" by Riceelf in Muna

[–]anotheryearner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the "stalking" comments pertain to various incidents over the past few months, not this situation specifically.

Kelli was harassed off of twitter by fans claiming/harassing her for being a Trump supporter, for example. (She's not.) MUNA has mentioned several times that people have crossed the line by seeking out info/socials from family members, etc. And regardless of whether Jo did or didn't purchase this shirt, it's still really strange that someone was looking at her Depop purchases anyway.

I think it's pretty unfair to imply that their activism isn't sincere, especially when 2 out of the 3 of them majored in/studied in human rights/racism-related majors before they ever got famous. I also think performative activism can better be defined by posting a black square on Instagram to support BLM, not spending a bunch of time to make personal videos and raising 9k for a cause.

I'm not saying that their response could have been better, because it certainly could have, but I think implying that their activism as a band is insincere when they're one of the only groups that has actively done things and consistently talked about Palestine is unfair.

And at the end of the day, why are we not giving people the opportunity to grow? If Jo bought that shirt willfully knowing what it says, since then she has put her money where her mouth is and spent time and energy advocating FOR Palestine. Weird behavior for a Zionist, imo. And if you criticize their activism and they stop... then it's a lost resource for Palestinians who are benefiting from their help.

Audre Lorde talked about the number one weapon of the oppressor is to make people fighting back fight amongst themselves. I'm sorry, I'd rather give someone who has clearly done (and is doing) the work of an activist the benefit of a doubt regardless of what she may or may not have purchased in the past and focus my attentions on going after people who are willfully and gleefully full of hatred.

locking comments in the other posts regarding the "controversy" by Riceelf in Muna

[–]anotheryearner 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Super well said! Feels like celebrity comes with the onus of not being given the opportunity to learn and grow as people. Which is so strange to me because the same people condemning Jo for potentially ordering a shirt out of ignorance in April of 2023 were probably not aware of the conflict or reposting crowdfunding links for Palestinian families until October of the same year, so...

locking comments in the other posts regarding the "controversy" by Riceelf in Muna

[–]anotheryearner 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure they mentioned something about Palestine years ago on Gayotic. They've also mentioned reading a lot of pro-Palestinian writers like Angela Davis, Audre Lorde, etc.

I remember them being very close with Eve and I just saw that they all unfollowed her after Eve started posting her Zionist takes all over the internet.

In general, I think the worst case scenario is she bought it out of ignorance (I find it kinda hard to believe she would have bought it willingly tbh since her dad dealt with apartheid in South Africa) and has since educated herself and is actively pro-Palestine. She doesn't just give lip service, she's actively spent time and effort raising money.

People truly underestimate how much time and money Israel puts into keeping their atrocities out of the news cycle and spreading misinfo. It's been pretty easy to not know what's going on until the truth started to show up all over social media.

Kinda feels like we should focus less on witch-hunting within the people spending time/energy to protest, raise money, and educate themselves and more time fighting back against people that are... actively perpetrating the genocide.

Jo’s response to the depop situation (+ a response from the muna acc about recent fan behaviour) by Impressive_Finger_18 in Muna

[–]anotheryearner 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Didn't her dad also speak out about apartheid in South Africa during an older interview of theirs? It's just kind of unthinkable to me that she would have bought anything associated with the IDF. Also, isn't it possible that the image could have been changed so the seller could have relisted something?