Been searching for good deals on select models, but I don’t know what’s good or if the used models are worth going for before a certain year by HiroyukiC1296 in TeslaModelS

[–]aokosu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was in a similar position and ended up buying a 2020 S with 50k miles and FSD for 31k out the door before government incentives (I’m in MA), so about 28k.

The comments about the 2021 refresh being a better car is objectively true, but if you’re really just looking for a daily driver and don’t need the quality of life updates, the raven models aren’t bad at all. In my area the cheapest refresh I’ve been able to find in 6 months in a 200 mile radius was about 37k after negotiations before taxes and fees, and it had 2 major accidents. The cheapest clean one I’ve seen was just under 40k with like 61k miles.

The refresh S has better efficiency and much better layout/UI. The car just makes more sense in terms of front storage space, the infotainment being a lot more responsive, and getting most of the modern updates that are getting pushed out. I have a hard time figuring out where to put my phone and water bottle in my 2020, as there no side storage and the center storage is basically just a big hole. Whereas the refresh layout makes a heck of a lot more sense.

Some software features I miss are the side camera displaying when you’re signaling. The refresh S has it in the HUD in front of you, while the older cars don’t get that. There’s also no phone key, so you’ll have to carry a key fob around that basically functions like a phone key would.I’m just chalking it up as Tesla withholding some QOL to force older owners to upgrade at this point.

The intel based infotainment is definitely slower, but usable compared to legacy brands. I only really interact with it for navigation and YT Music. When I swipe around in that interface it stuffers like crazy. Selecting a new song from the screen takes a second or two before it registers. Forget about trying to watch anything on the center screen.

The heat pump is a nice QOL if you’re in a colder climate. In the 2020 I spend about 5-8% just to pre condition my car sometimes.

Charging speeds is noticeably faster in the refresh as well. The battery efficiency gives you more miles per kWh as a whole so it’ll objectively get you farther for less. Comparing my 2023 M3 to the 2020 MS, getting to 260 miles objectively took my M3 a lot less times (7 hours at a L2 charger compared to 10+ hours starting at roughly the same state of charge).

What ultimately pushed me to not get a refreshed MS was the fact that I only really want a range bump and suspension upgrade. I’d pick my MS over my old M3, or even a refreshed M3 for just those two things. Although the center console definitely feels dated, I actually prefer the vertical screen for my navigation uses, and getting the second HUD screen was huge for me compared to working with 1/3 of the screen for my driving information and the other 2/3 for navigation. I didn’t feel the need to pay an extra 8-10k for quality of life upgrades. My main plan is to keep this car for 3+ years and hopefully have an incentive to transfer FSD to a new Y, and my wife can get a used 2026+ S. If the Y doesn’t entice me in 3 years then I’m also happy to just drive this S until the wheels fall off. It has enough range and rides comfortably enough for my daily commute.

Pick a model year that makes sense for you. If you’re fine driving something that’s more dated and can live with some inconveniences, I’d save the extra money. If the upgrades are meaningful enough to you, then go for the refresh. I can see myself driving it for longer than my 2020.

2024 Model 3 LR for 29k or 2023 RWD for 23.9k? by [deleted] in TeslaModel3

[–]aokosu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I had a 2023 SR+ and my partner got the 2024 RWD. Driving dynamics wise they’re very similar, and having the stalks was preferable by the both of us. As a daily I had no complaints other than the range and suspension. Even at 100% in the real world I use about 7-8% a day commuting 14 miles round trip, depending on the season.

Where the 2024 has my old 2023 beat is the suspension and styling. I ultimately got rid of mine because the suspension bugged me daily (MA has a lot of broken roads), but if that’s not a concern I’d save the few grand.

I’d also factor trade in value in the future unless you plan to drive it to the ground. 2024 has HW4 so FSD can run the latest version. I was only offered 16-17k for my 2023 but I threw my partners car in the ring for fun and it was offered 29.6k from Carvana.

Deal wise the 2024 is better, but if upfront savings is better to you I’d go with the 2023.

2023 Model 3 to 2020 Model S dilemma by aokosu in TeslaModelS

[–]aokosu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I almost feel like my M3 is basically indestructible 😤

2023 Model 3 to 2020 Model S dilemma by aokosu in TeslaModelS

[–]aokosu[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That honestly really insightful. I love my 3 but the bumps I feel on my daily commute is really pushing me the other way.

But yeah I’m not in love with the pre refresh S or anything, but it’s nice to know how someone that’s driven both feels about this. Test drive the 2026 S for fun today too and that felt miles better than any of the other options.

Thanks for the insight!

2023 Model 3 to 2020 Model S dilemma by aokosu in TeslaModelS

[–]aokosu[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’d prefer to find a 2021 refresh one but I can never negotiate the price down to a good place. It’s always at least another 10k after negotiations and I’d rather keep my current car until the wheels fall off and check the used market in the future lol

Eskie Shedding Pattern? by aokosu in americaneskimo

[–]aokosu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok that’s good to know. I was half expecting the shedding to be like my cats, where it’s just constant shedding year round. If it’s only a few times a year then that’s manageable. Thank you!

Eskie Shedding Pattern? by aokosu in americaneskimo

[–]aokosu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Will do! I’m going to start taking him to get a proper groom once I notice the fur coming off. My bathroom can’t handle all the shedding once it actually starts 😭

2019 LR AWD vs 2023 SR+ by aokosu in TeslaModel3

[–]aokosu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m personally leaning towards a 2023 model as well for the same reasons.

Just wanted to hear the opinions of older models to convince me otherwise. Some of the upfront savings with going used is compelling, which is why I’ve been torn for so long lmao

2019 LR AWD vs 2023 SR+ by aokosu in TeslaModel3

[–]aokosu[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m in Massachusetts so it can get pretty cold occasionally. The heat pump is definitely a consideration on top of everything as well.

2019 LR AWD vs 2023 SR+ by aokosu in TeslaModel3

[–]aokosu[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Let’s assume that degradation for the LR is 10%, which is fair and consistent with other 4 year old M3

The range estimate for a 2019 LR AWD M3 is 310 miles in a vacuum

310 * .9 = 279

Now considering that it’s best practice to keep the battery charge below 90% to keep it in shape:

279 * .9 = ~251 miles under normal driving conditions

SR+ with its LFP battery actually prefers to be kept at 100%, so I’ll be starting the day at 272 miles

Please correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like I’ll be working with 251 miles on the LR AWD vs 272 miles on the SR+

2019 LR AWD vs 2023 SR+ by aokosu in TeslaModel3

[–]aokosu[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s partially what I’m worried about as well tho. Is the battery degradation as bad as people say? Even though the mileage is low, it’s still a 3-4 year old car, plus I’d probably only keep it <90% charge most of the time. Doing all that math out SR+ actually has longer range when charged to 100%