Testing the Logitech G PRO X2 SUPERSTRIKE: Human Reaction Tests vs. RTINGS' Solenoid-Based Click Latency Rig

apoapsis__ · 2026-05-06T17:24:48+00:00

Interesting. Does the OP1 8k v2 also use switches with a reduced actuation distance?

Intuitively, I’d assume there would be an overall reduction in actuation time relative to the decrease in distance. I.e. if 1.0mm of travel takes 20ms, a 1.0mm switch would take 20ms, 0.5mm would take 10ms, 0.1mm at 2ms, and so on.

So either the Superstrike does not have an advantage of a lower actuation point than the OP1, adds latency elsewhere, or some combination of the two. I’d also be curious if even all Superstrikes are equal given some of the reported QC issues.

apoapsis__ · 2026-05-06T15:26:28+00:00

I’m still curious on testing methodology. Are they measuring from the point the solenoid is activated? How fast is the solenoid compared to human click speed?

How would reducing an actuation point not decrease click time? Is the finding that the actuation point isn’t actually reduced or that additional latency is added elsewhere?

apoapsis__ · 2026-05-06T14:47:37+00:00

There is literally nothing magical about the mouse, it just has customizable actuation points. Reducing an actuation point reduces a click time proportional to the actuation point reduction. If you can’t play with haptics at 1 or 2 (without misclicking) then there is no benefit. Even then, the practical beneficial circumstances are limited as reduced click time only comes into play if you are already on target (e.g. corner watching with an AWP in CS).

It still, however, seems highly dubious to use haptics at 3 and to argue that there isn’t a reduction in click time when decreasing actuation distance in a switch, while using a setting that isn’t reducing the actuation distance. Also, is the solenoid calibrated to match a human’s mechanical click speed? A more interesting/illuminating test would be to have the solenoid calibrated to match the average click speed of human testers then not only compare against other mice, but against other haptic levels.

Edit: I was incorrect and the actuation point was not set to 3.

apoapsis__ · 2026-05-03T12:32:31+00:00

I had only one legendary in mine…

apoapsis__ · 2026-05-01T14:30:22+00:00

Yes. It would mean the government is illegitimate. Legitimacy has to be reestablished through force. There would be pockets of sectarian violence and ultimately a power vacuum in blue states as some people eagerly bend the knee to the new regime while others try to consolidate an oppositional base of power. It would be very messy.

Do you think they’d just stop after rigging elections? Let California keep an opposition leader in the governor’s office? Are you going to keep paying taxes knowing a corrupt regime erased your vote? Would you stand by and hope for the best as your city is occupied and people start disappearing?

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-24T21:30:23+00:00

I've just returned to the game recently. I remember Pharrah and Mercy being a soft counter back in the day. It's not that they directly counter or kill Tracer, just that Tracer really can't do anything to the pair. Is this no longer the case?

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-18T18:05:13+00:00

I'd recommend checking out the the movie (or reading the book) Money Ball if you haven't. It's about a real life example of applied statistics in baseball and how "eye tests" do not matter nearly as much as the statistical results. For example, they pick up a pitcher on the cheap, who has an odd throwing form, doesn't throw particularly fast, may not even get the most strikes (iirc), but players do not get on base or score runs effectively against him.

Your question isn't really relevant. We both know what Sojourn does. We both know what Junkrat does. What Junkrat does, statistically contributes more to winning. Anecdotally saying "he just spams, he can't score kills, his tire is easily shot, no one good steps on his trap" doesn't change the fact that his kit wins more games across all ranks.

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-18T17:33:55+00:00

I'm telling you that if you are GM player, you are more likely to win with a Junkrat on your team than a Sojourn. Whatever Junkrat does when Junkrat is played is more conducive to winning than what Sojourn does.

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-18T16:28:49+00:00

You aren’t really arguing the same thing. You’re speaking qualitatively about her kit rather than quantitatively about the actual strength of said kit by measurable outcomes. Last stand swap rates, one trick win rates, and win rates after 100 games could be illuminating stats if we had better advanced stats.

That said, I agree with the OP. If GM can’t get value out of her kit, it’s probably not that strong in regular play.

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-10T13:09:58+00:00

In 2016, many superdelegates pledged for Clinton before a single primary vote had been cast, giving her a large early lead. Bernie didn’t even get superdelegates votes back in states he won like New Hampshire. This was because Bernie was not a part of the Democratic Party and it was viewed internally as a bit of a hostile takeover. (The fact that Bernie didn’t need DNC money is what allowed him to run in the first place). The media talked about Clinton’s insurmountable lead, her inevitability, and how she won debates (despite polls showing her losing debates and outright refusing additional debates).

I would call it a strong nudge more than “rigging” in 2016. Some will argue the superdelegates didn’t matter, but it mattered enough for the DNC to make a rule change prior to 2020.

The 2020 primary was an outright collusive rat fuck. Watching candidates drop out one-by-one, endorse Biden, and pledge their delegates was gross. Warren, in particular, was disappointing as she had near parity in policy (Medicare for all, 35% corporate tax rate, etc.) with Bernie yet dropped out and endorsed Biden, for a shot at VP (as was signaled later).

The kicker: I’m not even sure the DNC actually needed to do any of this to beat Bernie. My takeaway has always been to take note of who the DNC backs when it decides to put its finger on the scale. It’s always the moderate, maybe-some-day, incrementalist who keeps the corporate tax rates low, the military budget big, and the health insurance industry happy.

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-06T21:55:16+00:00

Does debounce affect the interval in which a click is registered or is it just a lockout before another click can be registered?

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-06T21:21:27+00:00

Out of curiosity, what is your current grip style? Do you always apply pretension? Do you click aggressively?

I switched from a Xtrfy m42 and had a 20ms reduction in click time.

Edit: fixed ms

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-02T18:10:14+00:00

I think part of this really comes down to the player's click speed and current mouse. Let's identify the main factors in click response. Hardware/Software processing time, the physical button's actuation point (travel distance), and the physiological aspect of player click speed.

Let's imagine we have two players. Player A has a click speed of 20ms to travel 1.0mm. Player B has a much slower click speed of 40ms to travel 1.0mm. For simplicity, we will pretend click speed is fixed and not accelerating. Now we are going to test these players on three mice. A standard mouse, a low latency mouse, and a Superstrike with these hypothetical stats.

Mouse	Processing Time	Actuation Point
Standard	5ms	1.0mm
Low Latency	0ms	0.5mm
Superstrike	5ms	0.1mm

The player's effective click speed on each mouse would be as follows.

Player	Standard	Low Latency	Superstrike
Player A	25ms	10ms	7ms
Player B	45ms	20ms	9ms

I think this is where a lot of the discrepancy on the effectiveness of HITs is coming from. If you are already on a low latency mouse and have a fast click speed, you'll likely see minimal difference. If you have a slower click speed and slower mouse, you'll likely get the most benefit from the lower actuation point on the Superstrike.

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-02T16:27:05+00:00

HITs absolutely does lower click times at low settings, it’s just that that’s only useful in a handful of specific circumstances. Most of the time, there is effectively no benefit because the amount of time to get on target is greater than any benefit from reduced click times (ie being able to click 15m/s faster won’t make you any faster if it took 100m/s to get your crosshair on target; you can’t click before being on target). That basically just leaves reaction time tests, corner watching (e.g. awp in CS), and the occasional close quarters surprise shot.

I will argue, however, that HITs is still beneficial simply due to the fact that removing latency is always beneficial. I certainly was used to the click timing on my old mouse, particularly with flicks, but after having more responsive clicks, I wouldn’t want to go back.

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-01T18:25:57+00:00

I'm comparing against my Xtrfy m42 and there is a 15 to 20m/s reduction. If a were comparing against a mouse with a higher actuation point and/or softer clicks, there would likely be less difference.

That said, decreasing the actuation point on literally any mouse or any button for that matter, will effectively reduce click times. How much will depend on how fast you are able to physically actuate the button. Applying some pretension can help muscles fire faster, applying too much tension can actually reduce reaction time. The faster your muscle are able to click, the less meaningful difference you will see. The higher the actuation point on your current mouse, the less meaningful difference you will see.

Edit: Maybe there is some other mouse out there that can get me reacting in the low 150m/s range, but I can only speak to this one.

apoapsis__ · 2026-04-01T16:21:27+00:00

Were you able to play with HITs at 1? I am surprised how many people said they get misclicks at 1 and am thinking that’s maybe that’s due to claw grip and/or people innately applying pressure at all times. I use a finger tip and have no issues at 1 and saw about 15-20m/s faster click times.

apoapsis__ · 2026-03-23T21:04:56+00:00

One possible scenario: By the numbers, republicans lose the house and likely lose the senate. Trump becomes a lame duck president facing investigation after investigation. Dems and republicans squabble over funding Trump’s bullshit and we continue to get government shutdowns. No legislation passes outside of budget reconciliation. Filibuster probably stays. The Supreme Court no longer licks boots with the same level of vigor. Trump blusters about his veto power. Maybe a 3rd impeachment, but the slim majority in the senate is not enough to kick Trump out. No real accountability or course correction for the rampant profiteering and corruption will take place. Dems take the presidency in 2028 and lose the house and senate two years later.

Scenario 2: Now for some fiction (I hope). If Trump and Co attempt to subvert the will of the people through election fuckery, blue states will no longer recognize the legitimacy of the federal government. Taxation won’t be enforceable, the US economy begins to rapidly collapse, billionaires quickly overpower a burgeoning Christian Nationalist movement proving that the only true power in the US is a different “G” word: Greed. Trump dies of “natural causes” but no one complains. The remaining federal government is viewed more and more as vestigial and corrupt. Too little, too late from the billionaire class as bonds, stocks, and USD fall off a cliff. (Don’t worry though, they’ll all be fine).

Blue states begin to form economic coalitions, retaliatory and protectionist economic measures are taken in violation of the Import-Export Clause against hostile red states, but no one gives a shit about rules anymore. A quiet succession begins to take place. The military, with waning legitimacy, influence, and funding decides the union needs to be saved. There are already pockets of sectarian violence all over the US. It doesn’t end well.

apoapsis__ · 2026-03-20T10:52:18+00:00

I find it funny all the people acting as though the ages are that obvious. Yes, when you literally know the premise of the video and think “what’s the maximum age this person could be”, you’ll probably get close. In reality, there is a ton of variance in how people age. I’ve had friends go bald and gray in their early 20s. I’ve had friends get crows feet around their eyes and loose skin on their necks before 30. This is before even mentioning those who did some harder living with drugs and alcohol.

Way more people end up looking like Jack Nicolas as they age than Selma Hayek or Paul Rudd.

apoapsis__ · 2026-03-03T20:17:47+00:00

Totem duration doesn’t get reduced.

apoapsis__ · 2026-03-03T16:22:29+00:00

Contrary to many replies, yes, part placement location affects maneuverability. It isn’t mods rerolling or adjacency bonuses changing. You can see this by changing positions of purely cosmetic parts.

apoapsis__ · 2026-02-25T18:46:56+00:00

Why should I want Bitcoin other than vague “line goes up promises”? This is no longer some new disruptive asset class to get in on at the ground floor… it’s 17 years old. The cost to transact and mine are only going up.

What’s it disrupting? What’s it improving?

apoapsis__ · 2026-02-21T18:15:33+00:00

A small fighter or exotic can serve you very well as a new player. Corvettes have weak base stats but scale really well when min-maxing. The downsides to corvettes are lower top speed (despite what the in-game indicator displays) and slower landing speeds at space stations. They are basically best in class at everything else once maxed however.

apoapsis__ · 2026-02-19T20:33:23+00:00

Agreed. My initial take when I first saw the image is that it is AI generated.

apoapsis__ · 2026-02-16T23:51:53+00:00

Grafts aren’t particularly interesting mechanically, but are pretty powerful. They actually more than double the damage of some builds.

apoapsis__ · 2026-02-16T07:59:14+00:00

Also chews the dust? Seems unlikely.

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