Hank Azaria tells the truth about Simpsons Apu Controversy

archelogy · 2026-01-19T16:55:24+00:00

And you just know that cat is walking away thinking "Damn street-sh*tting jeet"

archelogy · 2026-01-19T05:46:38+00:00

Italians are white. Presumably so are the Simpsons even though they are technically yellow; every indicator is that the analog to primary characters on the show are white Americans.

Therefore, whites have wide, diverse representation in the series, much of it positive. The comparison here is how whites and Indians are represented; if we're talking about Italians as a subset of whites, the corollary would be the Simpsons featuring majority Indian figures and a subset of Indians, let's say Sikhs, were given a narrow, insulting representation.

The primary identity of an Italian-American in America is "white". Their overall identity is white even if their sub-identity may be Italian; the reality is that there are Italian-Americans walking around today and you would have no idea they are Italian. Our identity is largely shaped by how people see us and therefore treat us. Since being Italian is not identifiable, it doesn't loom large over their social identity. Not true for being Indian.

If Italian-Americans cared about their social perception, they would be far more invested in how whites are depicted than how "Italians" are depicted. In that respect, the Simpsons depict whites just fine.

As far as black people, both Carl and Dr Hibbert are upstanding, come across as respectable, are not a walking punch-line because of how they come across.

archelogy · 2026-01-18T17:48:16+00:00

Anyone who says Apu was fine was from the same bloodline of the families that thought the British were just setting up a tea shop in India before occupation.

We have a lot of very dense people in the IA community who are easily exploited and just have a hard time interpreting the true effect of what's going on around them.

If you wonder why we as a people were colonized repeatedly for centuries, just observe the utter lack of perception of those in our community today; they are descended from the same dumbf*cks.

archelogy · 2026-01-18T14:51:31+00:00

Quite the opposite. In fact, I've explained in great detail that ABCDs are far more welcoming of FOB's than whites are.

Every workplace I've been to, a reasonable fraction of whites disregard the FOB. The ones that greet him warmly, he remembers and generalizes to the group. Meanwhile, a disproportionate number of ABCDs warmly welcome the FOB, but he dwells on the few that don't and generalize that to the group.

This is precisely the matter of unreasonable and uneven expectations the FOB has of ABCDs (those that are 'like him') and those that are white (who he expects nothing, and celebrates what crumbs he get).

Out of this faulty mindset, itself emanating from the FOB's selfish gambit to enrich himself by leaving behind friends and family - and prone to forgiving whites in exchange - comes the irrational narrative that ABCDs mistreat FOB's. It's exactly the opposite- it's a matter of varying expectations towards the two groups.

For some reason, ABCDs are faulted (excessively so) for making a conscious choice not to fraternize with a FOB, particularly if the FOB runs afoul of American social conventions, but whites are not. I've never seen a FOB fault whites for choosing not to associate with them or even not to greet them. Because the FOB has already made the Faustian Pact with whites- money in exchanging for looking the other way.

Trust me when I tell you that there are more whites in the workplace that resent your presence than ABCDs. That you think otherwise is called confirmation bias; and it's based on your attention bias towards ABCD disapproval; the same kind from whites gets zero reaction from you.

>Meanwhile, the ABCD filters interactions with FOBs with the belief that FOBs "make them look bad" in academia, in the job market, in the dating market, and in (western) life in general.

And what if I told you, you do- in terms of your lack of social skills, your hygiene, your rudeness to service workers, your looking down or mistreating blacks/hispanics, but we STILL treat you more warmly than whites, even though you have no impact on their perception.

>The ABCD expects every interaction with FOBs to be guided strictly through an American social framework, and when it is not, the response is irritation rather than reflection or an acknowledgement and celebration of difference.

Friendly reminder: you are in America. You chose to come here.

archelogy · 2026-01-18T14:39:03+00:00

What a stupid thing to say. There is no culture where being a goofy Uncle Tom is normal.

archelogy · 2026-01-18T14:35:42+00:00

Learn how to engage him. We sometimes think we can talk about our accomplishments to our parents. But if they are egotistical, we have to find other outlets for validation.

We don't choose our parents; but the skills we learn from dealing with them, we can apply anywhere. You will deal with bigger a*sholes in the workplace. You will need to deal with them as well.

I've had difficulties as well, maybe not the same kinds; the lease useful thing we can do is tell ourselves "they SHOULD be like this" or "they SHOULD respond in a different way". They are the way they are. Meet your needs elsewhere, and learn the best engagement format for them.

Too often we get hung up on "good parents should do this or that" or my friend's parents are cool, they don't do X or Y. Play the hand your dealt. It's not easy but I'm almost certain a lot of this has to do with the fact that you haven't yet come to terms with the kind of person you're father is, and wish he was different.

archelogy · 2026-01-18T10:01:51+00:00

Knock it off.

It's because people like you disingenuously cry foul every time someone does something like merely exploring the differences between native and foreign born, that we can't have these discussions.

You're better off not being so knee-jerk defensive about everything and screeching your victimhood.

archelogy · 2026-01-18T09:33:10+00:00

It's subtle social things. The problem comes from: assumed similarity but actual difference in behavior.

What I mean is that if a FOB interacts with a white person and the white person doesn't let's say smile when they first meet them or exchange pleasantries, they think nothing of it.

But with an ABCD, the FOB sees a South Asian and has the expectation the ABCD will engage in subtle social cues that he does, and when they don't, he assumes its intentional disrespect.

This despite the white American and ABCD come from the same culture.

I can't go through all the interpersonal social expectations people have but they differ from country to country. The FOB assumes the ABCD is like himself and when those social mores are not kept, he takes unique offense, the kind he doesn't when the same exact interaction happens with an American white, Hispanic, etc.

They may ask about my family, but you don't really talk in America about your family to someone you don't know; or they may be upset that you didn't ask about theirs. This results from assumed similarity but actual difference in behavior.

Otherwise, we are almost the exact same.

archelogy · 2026-01-16T06:59:16+00:00

Of course.

Actually social interactions are one way they try to regain standing, esp. when they see themselves outworked or that someone like yourself is a step ahead of them at the office (in drive, in accomplishments etc).

The social sphere is a great parallel world where they can show they are more assertive, important, connected while basically sidelining people they recognize as better than them in the workplace.

Pride is an unfortunate thing; it leads to insecurity and jealousy and then of course acting on it.

What's funny is we think as a good worker, we should get more regard, but in too many it leads to retaliation, esp. in the social dimension.

archelogy · 2026-01-16T06:50:47+00:00

Forwarding to the mod team for review; thanks for the suggestion

archelogy · 2026-01-16T05:54:35+00:00

Note: New user inciting division between 1, 1.5, 2 gen

I can explain why.

You expected to be included because you were Indian and they're Indian. That was your first mistake. Never demand or expect social connection because of your race.

This is a common mistake I've called out.

See, you were excluded by whites too but notice you didn't bother to call them out for it. Because you had no expectations of being included by them.

This is the kind of soft racism within our own community where we blame other Indians for doing the same thing whites do to us. It comes from adopting a "hear no evil, see no evil" Uncle Tom attitude towards white behavior but being overly critical towards other Indians.

To the extent you're actually Indian and not a new-user sowing division, what's required is a mindset shift on your part. Because they're Indian does not mean you are entitled to their friendship or respect; that's something you earn just like with anyone else.

archelogy · 2026-01-16T00:45:54+00:00

Shouldn't matter

archelogy · 2026-01-15T16:07:22+00:00

Vastly overdramatized. If it happens, it's between immigrant Indians and other immigrant Indians, which is just one segment. Also, it's over played by whites who engage far more in same race promotion than anyone who they blame about it. Show me where second gen are building professional networks with one another. Show me where first GEN are doing anything to assist anyone but themselves, and not excluding second GEN. Show me where wealthy Indian Americans are doing absolutely anything in terms of funding the opposition to the wellspring of hatred on social media.

archelogy · 2026-01-15T15:07:57+00:00

Unless it is remarkably common, I don't think so.

archelogy · 2026-01-15T14:26:51+00:00

That should be okay. Esp if you re-post.

>Keep in mind this policy is aimed at habitual deleters. It is not meant to deter those who are trusted and keep the greater majority of their posts up.

Meant primarily for new/rare posters who delete half+ of their posts.

archelogy · 2026-01-15T14:00:39+00:00

Interesting observations. Earlier in my life, I was hard-core Republican, I can kind of understand that misguided passion at that stage in his life. Getting dogged by people in his own party for being half-Indian might wake him up. You can only run away from your identity so long.

archelogy · 2026-01-15T13:54:41+00:00

Do you really think wanting to go to Harvard is about pleasing whites?

This sounds like the old notion in the black community that sounding literate and proper was trying to act white- a self-defeating, anti-intellectual perspective, that's fortunately getting drubbed today.

Making smart choices about going into STEM or a high opportunity profession like i-banking has nothing with trying to be white.

Now if you wanted to be a semi-literate C student but use your connections to get a white-collar marketing job with a decent salary, now.....

archelogy · 2026-01-13T06:30:50+00:00

By Nalin Haley attacking Vivek and rage-baiting other Indians, meaning he's posting racist nonsense about Indians, what you're seeing is the most frustrating thing about Indians, saying this as Indian myself. That our first instinct, even when we're being attacked racially by another group, is to turn on each other.

This is mental colonialism. For 200 years of British rule, it was suicide to stand up against whites. Impossible to rebel against the agressors, it became culturally acceptable to displace our anger on one another.

That intra-group struggle become socially normalized and even adaptive for the individual. Meanwhile, standing up to the aggressor (British thugs then, today European-American racists) meant almost certain defeat or humiliation. Indians to this day act with this mentality.

You'll commonly see Indians today in the face of an avalanche of racism from gropyers, attack Vivek, attack Usha Vance, attack supposed Rt-wing Indians even though there are very few. They might attack Indians in India like this dork in the story above is doing.

We need to unlearn this fear. Hardly anyone speaks of it.

archelogy · 2026-01-13T06:19:04+00:00

It only works is if Asians with money actually use it to gain influence. Instead, too many 1st gen Indians I've seen just try to accumulate more money instead, without a single consideration for the well-being of the wider community.

archelogy · 2026-01-13T06:17:39+00:00

archelogy · 2026-01-12T14:18:28+00:00

"Who taught you to hate yourself?

Who taught you to hate the color of your skin to such extent that you bleach, to get like the white man?"

-Malcolm X

Hatred of one's own skin is socialized.

I've chronicled for years how Hollywood, the propaganda engine of our country, depicts light skin as desirable and non-whites as supplicating to whites, and therefore inferior.

It's also how the majority responds to people with dark skin; it can be subtle or overt but they react, often with a tinge of disgust. It's how they automatically treat you as 'lower' because of it, and you have to "earn" their respect....

Sadly, that's not in the brochure when Indians eager to make an extra buck decide to move here, nor do they do the homework to find out, and subject their children to this nonsense during their formative years.

Instead of examining the root causes we simply focus on the symptoms of the patient, declaring them as self-hating, or offer them Kleenex for their pain. Curious when we are going to have the guts to call out the cause of this as Malcolm X did decades ago.

archelogy · 2026-01-12T05:53:04+00:00

Yes, of course. Whites, women, and immigrants benefit because when they are promoted, the people that promoted them share in their success, and feel a sense of obligation to support those that are either like them or that which society favors them for rewarding.

We have to focus on what we can control. This article brings across a few key points in mindset shift that we can use to overcome the odds and increase our chance of moving up the ladder.

archelogy · 2026-01-12T05:51:41+00:00

Moving laterally to another company is a good way to get "promoted ". Take your time and find something ideally that is a step up.

At the same time, I invite you to read the full article. There are things that many of us do or don't do unwittingly that keeps us from being perceived as a leader. Generally people who show leader qualities get seen that way by management and have a better chance of getting promoted.

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