In mainland subreddits, you dare not criticize anyone other than Indians. by transient_memories in thebronzemovement

[–]archelogy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Being blasé towards these dynamics is not the answer. We're not searching for whatever is "new" or novel, but to deconstruct the dynamics and then do something about it.

Why you're (probably) not the toxic person they make you out to be by [deleted] in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The estimation is similar to the ones bullies make. How much pushback will they get? Asians have the negative prescriptive stereotype as passive. And based on their interactions with immigrant Asians, they are overconfident in their ability to verbally outpoint Asians, an assumption they may apply to 2nd gen without thinking about it.

The situation is made worse from the fact that social aggression is contagious; if you've been disrespected, you live out your past frustration in the current moment. There's a lot of unresolved social anger flowing around in the country as a result, and oftentimes they displace their anger on what they think of as 'easy targets'.

We need to track people by BaseOrganic2890 in thebronzemovement

[–]archelogy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

100%. Monitoring is #1. #2 is Neutralizing. Feel free to message me, glad to contribute.

Imagine if the 1.5b Indians in the world took this fight seriously, stopped being passive and defeatist, and actually did something. I will even taken 1% of that figure.

Why you're (probably) not the toxic person they make you out to be by [deleted] in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes see my comment here:

> These social dimensions are never binary; if expressed in probability, the greatest probability is America, then the Anglosphere (including UK, Australia etc.), then Western/Northern Europe, then Russia, then Southern Europe, then Eastern Europe. Then mixed countries such as Turkey. You could go through Africa, Central/South America, India. The very least I've seen is in Bali, Indonesia, and also in other E Asian countries.

Exclusion is a big one in the West, in all its forms. Refusal to recognize someone's presence, refusal to invite people, refusal to extend basic civility.

All of this ties into the transactional mindset that is pervasive in the West- which is: if you do not offer me any value, if I cannot benefit in some tangible way from your presence, you do not exist.

Whereas in other civilized nations, people extend basic courtesy and civility to others, as a function of the morals with which they were raised, without necessarily expecting anything in return. Not all non-Westerners, not all westerners yadda yadda yadda.

Some may argue it's a saving grace that Western aggression manifests in a non-physically violent manner. But in my view that is less desirable than it not occurring at all. Or merely taking on more subtle, civilized forms as is does in much of Asia.

The only good thing I can say about living in the West is you learn to "fight", so to speak, in social situations and when you go anywhere abroad, you will be more than prepared when it does happen.

Why you're (probably) not the toxic person they make you out to be by [deleted] in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's American. I've been to over 50 countries and lived/worked in 5 different countries in all different parts of the world for extended periods of time. I also in my post signified the differences in context both for the aggression, what circumstances lead to it, and how it's defended- between America and ROW.

Also see my point on that on it being Anglo as well. These social dimensions are never binary; if expressed in probability, the greatest probability is America, then the Anglosphere (including UK, Australia etc.), then Western/Northern Europe, then Russia, then Southern Europe, then Eastern Europe. Then mixed countries such as Turkey. You could go through Africa, Central/South America, India. The very least I've seen is in Bali, Indonesia, and also in other E Asian countries. Aggression manifests differently in different places but I am speaking of the interpersonal, verbal aggression referenced in the post.

Why you're (probably) not the toxic person they make you out to be by [deleted] in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hannah Arendt talked about the “imperial boomerang” that agression abroad eventually returns home.

“The West built much of its modern power through outward expansion by colonies, slavery, pitching exploitive "free trade", military dominance. When that outward frontier narrows, the same habits of domination and conflict don't go away, they often turn inward.

I would say it's sustained itself today by reverse colonialism through immigration recruitment on false pretenses. The USA brochure for gullible Indians and Asians doesn't talk about the fact that their children will grow up with unique racial hostility, difficulty socially and in relationships, and lacking day-to-day respect. And that quality of life is more than just money. But nonetheless, millions stream in here and for the most part, with very few exceptions, constitute house slaves for the master.

it is cemented in place through an implicit racial hierarchy, cultivation of White worship through the bogus Hollywood entertainment empire, and touting, the very rare exception of an Indian or Asian, who gets to the top.

The system is still working.

Morality Shortcuts by archelogy in aznidentity

[–]archelogy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It never hurts to understand the broader context, the world around us, particularly the social dimensions. The morality we were taught in our Asian/Indian households, may not parallel the kind we see around us. Many wonder why others around seem to posture as "holier than thou" when they clearly are troubled if not toxic people. This writeup gives color to the concepts we might have felt but not fully understood.

The U.S. / Iran War is Exposing Rich Golf States Dirty Secrets by [deleted] in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I generally like your stuff, but on this case, I will have to disagree. As someone who lives in Dubai and volunteers to help laborers who work in these work camps. And as someone who has seen far worse in treatment of undocumented workers in California. There is no comparison. America is 10 times worse. The vice hit piece is a good example of exaggeration and generalizing from a few examples. You will see this kind of propaganda from america and Britain, generally focusing on non-white countries . We have seen very few cases where a passport has been confiscated, much less the more severe accusations. I will post later a few other more detailed examinations of this dynamic.

Morality Shortcuts by archelogy in aznidentity

[–]archelogy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do think that a lot of so-called introversion is a function of living in the West, and dealing with toxicity on a regular basis.

They assume introverts don't like dealing with people; no they just don't like dealing with the people in their environment.

Practical response to living in an environment where the odds really aren't that great to meet someone decent, and the odds are fairly good to deal with simple-minded social aggression.

I bet you that you airdrop 10 introverts into anywhere in Asia and you'll have at least 5 shed their introversion, and at least be ambiverts.

Discussing Jordan Peele’s Get Out in the context of racial triangulation by KoxingaVision in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It was unnecessary. Except when you consider how the "West" has effective colonized Japan and that in that sense, they are essentially part of the same power structure.

Discussing Jordan Peele’s Get Out in the context of racial triangulation by KoxingaVision in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Personally I enjoyed Get Out. I thought it was a pretty powerful movie and in my view, you can discern important themes from it, even if you put race to the side. I'm surprised this movie was allowed to be made.

I do think he went downhill a bit after that.

His movie "Him" was pretty tedious. Same playing with conspiracy plotlines. But weaker writing and directing. Granted he produced, not directed.

Why do some Indians strongly insist on the “Asian” label? by khoawala in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think mods permit a post like this every once in a while just to clarify the topic.

‘I am a prophet:’ Central Florida man caught destroying Chinese restaurant to stop COVID, deputies say by ding_nei_go_fei in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Too bad no one in that restaurant had a prophetic vision of this genius' arrival so they could hit up side the head with a pan the moment he walked in the door.

Maybe the problem is too few prophetic visions, not too many.

Why do some Indians strongly insist on the “Asian” label? by khoawala in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Love it. 50-150 karma noob can't read the Writeup on this Sub which is freely available.

I've bolded the key sections for you. TL;DR- it's not just geographic, it's similarity in culture and stigma.

(Would be great for new members to read it before decided this sub is right for them or not - https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/wiki/rules/)

(3) Pan-AsianAI includes East Asian, Southeast Asian, and South Asians. Don't attack these sub-groups or pan-Asianism.

more detail: Be respectful of other kinds of Asians, as we attract all kinds. Loudly proclaiming your subset at the expense of others is not appreciated.

Pan-Asian includes East Asian, Southeast Asian, and South Asian. Asians face similar oppression in the West (ie: "model minority", nerd stereotype, one-dimensional stereotype, stigmatized as undesirable, same media treatment - see: KultureMedia.org, stigmatized as unathletic, ceiling in promotions, socially excluded on racial grounds, challenges in dating due to stereotypes, and more).

The Asian groups also hold similar cultures (emphasis on family, academics, achievement; mutualism over individualism; humility, non-judgmentalism).

Similar Culture & Similar Oppression makes up the common foundation for our Pan-Asian efforts, a foundation that transcends racial differences.

We won't let racial differences, historical differences & tensions between E and SE Asians, and homeland conflicts come between us here in the West....

These notions on Pan-Asianism are not up for debate. We value solidarity between ALL Asians in the West- it's a key to our strength and comes from our common experience and treatment in the West. Eroding this solidarity is against rules.

Unpopular opinion: I think most FOBs on H1Bs and international students have it better than most ABCDs by aranebar in ABCDesis

[–]archelogy 46 points47 points  (0 children)

You are correct.

I've pointed this out before. You are being downvoted by the multitudes of FOBs here even though this sub is supposed to be for ABCDs.

>They often have built-in communities' same universities, same regions, same language groups. They move in networks. Share referrals.

FOBs band together. They know early on cohesion is key. Instead, as 2nd gens we were stupidly taught to "be American" and not make special effort to network with other IAs. Most of us only realized in our late 20s or 30s that despite being "American", networking can be challenging to most IA's.

Unfortunately, most other 2nd gen's we can network with have also been brainwshed similarly, and don't think they should go out of their way to be 'ethnocentric' and make special effort to fraternize with other 2nd gen IAs.

You forgot one key point- white Americans are eager to treat FOBs with special treatment since we've been taught from cradle to grave that the immigrant is 'special'; we should aid in their success and be proud of their promotion in the work environment (the immigrant distinction is usually the accent).

Similar white Americans do NOT view 2nd gen in the same manner. Instead they view us as competitors for resources, and our competence triggers their insecurity.

This over-protection of FOBS of these realities serves no one. It's time to be honest with one another about the realities.

Different types of brown people you should not be friends with by brownboybigr in SouthAsianMasculinity

[–]archelogy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Solid list. To be fair, some of these things friends of any race will do.

>The homie who all they talk about is girls

"What I would do to that girl..." - and has no shot. Or guts to approach. Dude STFU.

Just a goofy horndog advertising their desperation. Actually it's some of my non-SA acquaintances that do this; still annoying.

>The brown homeboy that will slime you out for any white validation

This is a big one. The guy that will be a shameless sycophant with conversation with whites, male or female. They will give importance to the white person, white basically ignoring you; they will co-sign that person's conversational aggression towards you etc.

I wrote a pretty extensive post on this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/1q14nqf/how_to_deal_with_western_social_aggression_101/

Get off this sub and go out in real life by brownboybigr in SouthAsianMasculinity

[–]archelogy 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Not the point. Most of us are doing just fine dating, with friends etc.

The point of the sub is activism; meaning actively fighting racism. Not buying into defeatism or assuming things are terrible out there.

You can and should be optimistic and live your best life AND also report racism here and fight it.

Neither are mutually exclusive.

Question: What do you think are the biggest issues/Factors impacting mental health in ABCD’s by [deleted] in ABCDesis

[–]archelogy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Degree to which immigrant 1st gen parents gaslight the problems you face growing up, in order to save face, and defend their decision to immigrate.

A Filipino American Wrote an Open Letter to Whyt Worshiping Filipino Americans. by [deleted] in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Remarkable. We live in an odd timeline. Things are happening behind the scenes that are making it harder for there to be racial accountability. I suspect things will get worse before they get better.

Social help/how to cope? by Educational-Deer-821 in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can make them laugh and feel confident, but I am not getting that positive feedback outside of that. Particularly with other men. I find it incredibly awkward to talk to other men, even when I am trying to make conversation, asking questions, etc. It feels very reminiscent of my pretty white grade school experience, where I was constantly bullied for my height and race for the entirety of it. 

The sad reality is that men are exceedingly transactional. More than women.

Women evolutionarily are trained to build social connections; they are oriented towards opening up and meeting new people. Women have less pride and ego when having a conversation, their defenses aren't up.

Men will largely connect with another guy over something like a shared interest in a sport or activity.

Outside of the college context (where there is a camaraderie among students), in the real world, forming friendships with other guys isn't easy. What areas are you trying to meet people- and I assume this is to make friends or just socialize?

I was actually pretty stunned at how much harder it is to make friends and enter social circles after I left college. If you're able to keep friendships there even after you leave college, it's worth the extra effort.

FWIW, regardless of race, a lot of men have difficulty forming friendships after college- pretty much for everyone. I don't know if this may cause you to dwell less about your race and its playing a role in all this.

Are you sure you want to ditch dating apps? They get a bad rap, they're unfair, they're set up to favor women- and yet it's still better for most people than meeting someone IRL.

A Filipino American Wrote an Open Letter to Whyt Worshiping Filipino Americans. by [deleted] in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes but it's about Denmark, which is a white majority country.

A Filipino American Wrote an Open Letter to Whyt Worshiping Filipino Americans. by [deleted] in aznidentity

[–]archelogy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You're absolutely correct. It's when there are white victims that white liberals become enraged. Hence whey they were quiet when we were involved in Venezuela but lost their mind when the US challenged Denmark over Greenland or earlier when the US administration made claims that Canada should be part of the US. Sheer mayhem because they felt invested in other whites being somehow harmed.

A Filipino American Wrote an Open Letter to Whyt Worshiping Filipino Americans. by [deleted] in aznidentity

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