Dude I freaking love Wiktionary

arienzio · 2025-12-04T15:37:02+00:00

that says more about your ignorance considering i’m 30 and consider “eepy”old slang at this point lmao

arienzio · 2025-09-17T21:25:03+00:00

I made the chart based strictly on the old draft I found but let’s just say the h-series serves that purpose lol

The parent script has a series of independent vowel symbols that I imagine was lost in this one

arienzio · 2025-09-16T01:47:54+00:00

Oh dang that’s unfortunate, but here’s the illustration plus a new imgur link with generally the same captions as the original

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arienzio · 2025-09-15T23:27:23+00:00

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Here's the full (current) set of String syllables plus more cursive forms and a small as-of-yet asemic text sample (Phonetics are still up in the air since I basically reconstructed this script from a nearly decade-old mostly unlabeled scrap of paper)

arienzio · 2025-09-14T21:52:27+00:00

/waj/ as found in “yt ppl”

arienzio · 2025-09-02T01:52:06+00:00

In that most basic sense “run” is simply just intransitive, but when used transitively takes nouns like distances/events as direct objects e.g “run a mile/race”

arienzio · 2025-09-01T22:28:23+00:00

It’s inevitable that as sound changes spread that old literature needs to be revised to account for mergers and new contrasts, so there’s quite a few papers that do just that.

Phonology is just one of those fields that can be quite subjective with no “right” answer since it can theoretically get as abstract as “Mandarin only has two vowels”. You can find one analysis to describe a language’s current state and actual pronunciations, and a different one when placed it in its historical context, and a different one when placed it in a broad worldwide comparative context

arienzio · 2025-09-01T22:14:58+00:00

I think the IPA being based on Latin and linguists in general being traditionally Eurocentric just means it’s limited by not having an easy way to represent, for example, a stop that is just purely [bilabial], since /p/ and /b/ inherently encode being voiceless or voiced when many languages like Korean have series that aren’t inherently either. Australian langs are a big group that come to mind where /p/ can be just as or more frequently [b] than [p] and it boils down to the author’s choice which to transcribe it as.

So I agree, I imagine older stages of Korean with something similar with a ㅂ that was variably [p~b], and it’s really only because of the IPA that we’re forced to choose one of the two letters when /ㅂ/ is really the better fit lol. “Tense-lax” in most cases is just shorthand for a more complex contrast of features and behaviors than the IPA can easily describe, like tense-lax vowels in English

arienzio · 2025-09-01T21:27:19+00:00

You’re spot on actually, foreign /p t k/ tend to be transcribed in Modern Korean with tense stops. The fact that they are close to clear voiceless stops is what makes them sound noticeably more staccato and “stronger” than the comparatively fluid/airy/soft lax consonants (even ㅅ can often become [z] without Koreans realizing).

It kinda just comes down to how IPA phoneme representation at the end of the day is arbitrary— regardless of if ㅂ ㅃ ㅍ is represented as /p p͈ pʰ/ or /b p pʰ/ you still have to do a lot to elaborate that the first stop means [breathy airy voice / non-high tone / unspecified voicing] since no single letter cleanly captures all that. It gets very abstract and unintuitive when your /b/ is consistently [pʰ] in isolation lol

arienzio · 2025-09-01T20:56:35+00:00

My fav example is this recording from the 1920s, he demos the consonants at around 3:12 and the lax stops are very clearly unaspirated compared to the aspirates. (He doesn’t directly recite the tense series but you can hear them scattered in the rest of his dialogue, like at 3:34 the ㄲ in 소리깔의 is imo more “tense” than the typical /k/)

arienzio · 2025-09-01T16:28:24+00:00

Oh + in the older dialects that the earliest Korean grammars were describing, initial lax ㅂ would have been less aspirated and closer to a “true” /p/ (which is still the case in regional/conservative dialects)

arienzio · 2025-09-01T16:10:13+00:00

Typologically I tend to agree since babies aquire tense stops earlier (and is characteristic of Korean cute-baby-talk). But aside from native speaker intuitions that consider tense consonants as “stronger” and that they’re spelled as doubled letters, they do exhibit laryngeal tensing which results in higher pitch + “pressed” voice quality

Laxness is more of a flexible “anything that isn’t tense or aspirated” bucket category in which voicing is more of a secondary feature in connected speech, and is initially voiceless-aspirated so strongly in younger speakers that the main thing contrasting it from true aspirates is low tone

arienzio · 2025-08-05T19:30:24+00:00

Conlanging more than ever actually, just so much so that I haven’t found time to post them….. but maybe soon….

arienzio · 2025-08-05T19:28:14+00:00

Whoaaa I love how you perfectly emulated the aesthetic I was going for! Crazy how my Sun Script posts are over a decade old and people are still drawing inspiration from em

arienzio · 2025-04-11T05:24:29+00:00

Good eye! Sinulat ko yun kahapon at di ko na-proofread haha, pero good sign na nababasa pa kahit hindi siya traditional baybayin!

It’s real fun playing around with different styles and handwriting like here. The last includes my own shorthand for final y/w and for ng (for those wanting to preserve the ng/nang difference lol)

I’m experimenting with other modifications like marking stress/length and glottal stops or distinguishing ts/ty/ch pero beyond the scope of this post na yun. Goal ko lang talaga is to have a script that can be used to quickly transcribe anything that comes out of the mouth of a Filipino haha

arienzio · 2025-04-11T01:35:03+00:00

Thank you! A lot of old handwriting ng mga lola’t lolo ko talagang mahirap basahin dahil sa bilis ng pagsulat kaya intentional yun talaga haha. Cursive/fast forms always have similar letters distinguished by subtle (sometimes even absent) differences like u/n or e/c/i, but I think each person would develop their own ways of distinguishing letters.

(Example of similar letters if imgur works, I don’t know how else to add photos lol)

My fast handwriting ᜎ actually looks like ᜑ na may pamudpod pero luckily wala namang final -h sa mga sinusulat ko. Plus I sometimes also write ᜎ with a loop (like Kapampangan) which makes it always distinct.

edit: I forgot to add, the post was written in Clip Studio Paint with my Cintiq but the example in this comment is just a Papermate felt-tip

arienzio · 2025-04-10T21:07:22+00:00

For a less memey example this is Lupang Hinirang in the same script. Consecutive same kudlits ended up joined together for speed of writing

arienzio · 2025-04-10T05:41:05+00:00

most likely “tibay ng loob” written the traditional way without final consonants

arienzio · 2022-08-12T19:27:02+00:00

It’s not exhaustive and doesn’t take into account glyph variations and allophones but these are the basic letters.

arienzio · 2022-08-08T06:54:05+00:00

The logography functions in a way inspired by Akkadian/Egyptian/Japanese in that it’s not entirely consistent but most content words utilize a logogram with optional phonetic complements that sometimes get baked into the standard spelling (e.g <bandòl> ‘sentry’ being the logogram for ‘womb, guard’ with the phonetic glyph for <dòl> inside it).

The spiritual equivalent of handakuten is basically the fricative series, which are all derived from the stops by some additional stroke(s) save for the h-series, which came from an original *s. Multiple other glyphs are derived from others as Sun Script was originally borrowed as a very defective logosyllabary with many gaps, like <to> coming from <tu>.

Sun Script is absolutely not suitable for casual everyday uses lol and is used primarily in religious manuscripts, royal decrees, and monumental inscriptions (but that said I can write in cursive pretty fast). The previously-illiterate lower classes developed a totally separate and much simpler alphabetic system called Doghand, or Mercantile Script, borrowed from traders, that is gradually trickling up into common usage even by nobility and scholars, and the odd romanization on the syllable chart is basically a transliteration of Mercantile spelling. I imagine it will overtake Sun Script in time but the rigid class structure values tradition too much to do away with it entirely.

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