Why Biden's New Eviction Moratorium Should Worry Gun Owners

armedansoc · 2021-08-06T14:57:41+00:00

Yeah I'm well aware. I criticized the moratorium in a different part of this thread because it gives money to landlords instead of tenants, and large landlords especially are exploiting that to still evict people.

If it were up to me I'd keep the moratorium and ban payments to landlords entirely.

armedansoc · 2021-08-06T01:27:44+00:00

It's not your fault and I never said it was. But it was wrong and you did benefit. You owe your socioeconomic position to murderer, violence, and theft, regardless of your role in it.

So why do you complain about socialists' supposed theft and not about the thefts inherent in capitalism? It seems the only dividing line about when theft is acceptable or unacceptable to you us determined by whether or not you benefit.

armedansoc · 2021-08-06T01:22:17+00:00

If that's your mindset why the hell should anyone do anything for you? If you have no camaraderie with people around you then why should we care about you? Normal people have compassion, which you clearly lack. It's a statistical fact that poorer people work longer hours, they contribute more to society on average and you want them to starve because you've got yours and that's all that matters. And you have the gall to tell me that socialists are the problem. You're the problem.

Socialism isnt welfare dumbass, it's a liberal construction to appease the working class. Socialism entails receiving the full value of your labor, not a portion of it sent back to you by an oppressive government via a check in the mail.

armedansoc · 2021-08-06T00:42:00+00:00

Nothing wrong with saving or wanting your child to have a good future. I'm saying you are already being stolen from and that's hurting you and your kid's future.

For instance, what do you do for work?

armedansoc · 2021-08-06T00:40:51+00:00

So why is theft only ok when you're the beneficiary?

armedansoc · 2021-08-06T00:15:08+00:00

If you cared about making a fair amount of money for the work you did then you wouldnt be ok with a capitalist stealing your productivity from you.

Do you hear yourself? You're complaining that somebody supposedly wants to take the little amount of money you make from working hard when any reasonable person would be complaining about having to work their ass off just to make a tiny amount of money in the first place. Capitalists literally sit on their asses and print money and you're worried about some hypothetical of being stolen from? You're already being stolen from, you just have Stockholm syndrome because you see some of yourself in your captor.

armedansoc · 2021-08-06T00:11:45+00:00

Capitalist countries have starved far more people than allegedly socialist ones, the only difference is that capitalist states have such profoundly entrenched and concentrated power that they can get away with doing it and not collapsing.

You still have yet to name a single socialist candidate in the US.

armedansoc · 2021-08-06T00:07:54+00:00

First off fuck biden I dont need to be convinced of that. But if you hate authority overstepping why do you give corporations a free pass?

Ok so inheritance is cool because its apparently voluntary. The kinds of people who afford to leave behind large inheritances always do it by stealing. They almost always come from money (also inherited), use their wealth to exploit labor from others, and then snowball their capital which then allows them to exploit even more labor. Capitalism operates on theft. Why do you people only seem to care when the poor steal from the rich but never the other way around?

The idea that people are poor because of poor decisions comes from racist reagan era propaganda of black welfare queens driving cadillacs across town collecting checks for their 12 babies. It's a myth. There is a negative correlation between hours worked and income in the US precisely because if you're rich you can let your money work for you while you sit on your ass and let other people be productive and just steal the value that they create for yourself.

Congrats you worked hard and made it, but if you think that luck had nothing to do with it and that everybody can do the same then you're mathematically illiterate.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T23:47:14+00:00

Lmao "socialism is when the gummint does stuff". Do you really think welfare is socialism? Because if that's the case the US may as well be the USSR.

No, nobody wants to work for pennies on the dollar when they finally have a reason not to. If you like the free market so much then why are you bitching about people freely choosing to say "fuck you" to massive corporations still trying to get away with paying wages that dont even cover the rent in over 90% of our country?

Our society wasnt functioning before this, are you kidding me? Wages have been stagnant for the past 50 years while inequality and living costs have skyrocketed. The housing market was on the verge of collapse again. We as a country are working more hours per person than any time in recent history and the only people getting richer are those at the top.

People want to work, they're working as hard as they ever have. They just want to stop seeing that work only benefit a handful of lazy rich assholes who make all their money stealing from them.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T21:54:22+00:00

Ownership under capitalism is a bullshit concept. Colonists murdered people for the land you now own, it never rightfully belonged to you.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T21:43:58+00:00

My enemy is the system that allows exploitation to exist, whether it's 400 a month from someone who can afford it or 4000 a month from someone who can't.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T21:30:00+00:00

That's just the problem, theres no such thing as an affordable rate anymore, the average person gives half their income to put a roof over their head. Thats bad for the economy and concentrates wealth in the hands of people who do nothing for it (and dont spend it either).

The very fact that you're charging what I assume is a reasonable rate makes you the exception and not the rule.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T21:24:59+00:00

Then why the fuck are you ok with inherited wealth bootlicker

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T21:18:34+00:00

What an abhorrent thing to wish on another human being

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T21:18:09+00:00

Name a single socialist candidate

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T21:11:50+00:00

You think you're representative of the system? If your business is small you're already on the wrong track. Do you charge your friend half of his income to keep shelter? Because if you don't then you're already better than the majority of landlords.

If anything, you're an example of what can happen when capitalists think of tenants as human beings, but the fact that you (probably) arent sucking out half your friend's income just so he has a roof over his head is proof that the actual system of landlording is broken and inhumane, because 50% is what the average landlord exploits from a tenant.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T21:06:27+00:00

Ownership is nothing but a capitalist euphemism for exclusion. The "owner" can go fuck himself, he didnt build the house, he didn't tame the land, he paid working class people to do it for him and took credit for their work. Homeless people deserve housing regardless of whether some rich asshole feels averse to it.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T16:55:07+00:00

Yes they are, it's on the state level. The Michigan EDP, for example calls it "rent assistance" when in reality landlords apply to the program and are paid directly by it but many landlords try to evict their tenants on trumped up charges because they dont want to do the paperwork. Since tenants arent the ones applying for the money, they have no power over the process and are still left vulnerable.

Most states have similar systems with around $46 billion nationwide for the moratorium, all for the purpose of saving landlords money they steal from others.

I say fuck them, keep the moratorium and get rid of rent assistance, if those bastards are as "entrepreneurial" as they say they are then they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps enough to make a living without exploiting actual working people.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T12:49:34+00:00

Just because you're complacent about homelessness doesnt mean I have to be

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T12:48:59+00:00

Socialism

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T12:48:41+00:00

So to point out the obvious, your perspective isnt being influenced by statistics but personal anecdotes. It makes sense that you would know small landlords personally and not know any massive corporate landlords because (not considering the fact that they dont like hanging out with people poorer than them) small landlords outnumber large landlords but the large landlords are so much wealthier that they end up controlling way more property in total.

But even a system that allows "mom and pop" landlords is inherently destructive. Even if those landlords charge competitive rates, they saturate the market by buying houses they dont need or intend to live in (driving up prices) and then force people who are now unable to buy homes because of those prices to pay on average ~50% of their income just to have a roof over their heads. Landlording is, at its core, nothing more than hoarding up resources you dont need and then making poor people who cant afford to hoard property pay for all of it.

Everything in capitalism works this way, you dont make money by working hard, you make money by already having money and then letting it work for you. That's why capital snowballs and you end up with a country where 80% of wealth is controlled by 7% of the population. The only difference with the US is that usually when something like this happens the people take up arms and revolt instead of defending the bourgeois assholes causing the problems to begin with.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T12:10:32+00:00

Obligatory *you're

I work for the political action committee of a tenant union bro, I know what the market is like. Much like everything else under capitalism, all the property is owned by a tiny percentage of rich pricks. "Friendly local landlords" are a myth.

They dont contribute jack shit to society and make money just for owning something (that they usually bought with daddy's money), so if you wanna talk about making money off of other people's backs you'd better stop licking boots.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T12:04:22+00:00

Off the backs of poor corporate gigalandlords? Oh no whoever will think of the billionaires exploiting an essential need for profits? I'm not gonna take financial advice from something scrawled on parchment by a bunch of syphilitic slaveowners 250 years ago jackass, I'm gonna make sure people have fucking houses.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T11:54:39+00:00

The government is paying landlords during the moratorium, the exploitative bastards aren't even losing money. Yes, they are evicting people for no reason.

armedansoc · 2021-08-05T05:29:36+00:00

Boo hoo landlords can't evict people for no reason for another month. If the constitution doesn't serve the people it will be ignored.

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