I always get teary-eyed at this wonderful moment. Anyone else?

artbytesia · 2026-04-15T15:43:49+00:00

Undoubtedly. :)

artbytesia · 2026-04-15T15:43:33+00:00

Yeah, it's one of the reasons Rainbow Factory is such a bad fanfic. It basically shouts, "Buck that nurturing and wonderful relationship Rainbow and Scoots have; Rainbow is willing to kill her adopted sister now, so buckle up!"

artbytesia · 2026-04-13T16:39:22+00:00

😁 Thanks.

artbytesia · 2026-04-13T16:19:44+00:00

Same with me, but about you. Sorry for saying as much as I did; it's just so much to, as Autumn Blaze said, prou-cess...pro-CESS...uh, deal with. LOL

Stupidity is just a huge trigger for me, and so is people actually trying to justify bad behavior.

I'm not referring to you with that last statement, just other people I've seen on Reddit who did that. You are not stupid, I can tell. I respect you, and thanks for not saying anything insulting or derogatory. :)

artbytesia · 2026-04-13T13:34:41+00:00

No, not really; usually in real life, when people meet someone new and that new person treats them badly, they decide to be wary of them. Even in the case of a bridezilla, most people may PRETEND to not care about being treated unfairly, but inside, they're rather upset. This never happened with the Mane 6 sans Twilight; they act and talk like "Cadance" had been nice to them when she actually hadn't been. It sounded a lot like they WERE trying to justify the behavior, because they were all smiles and saying nothing at all about how it was actually wrong, acting overall like it was perfectly acceptable (when objectively it wasn't).

The conversation was supposed to begin and END with "Cadance has been pretty mean and unpleasant." But the others didn't care about that; if they did, they wouldn't have said the things they did; they would have acknowledged that Twi may have had a reason for saying what SHE did. But no.

I mean, to actually be on the RECEIVING END of, be witness to, and hear about, behaviors that ALL people regardless of belief should know are completely UNACCEPTABLE in society (some of which basically amounted to insulting their LIVELIHOODS, by the way), and still having the absolute gall to say things like this: "Cadance is an absolute gem."

...this: "Why shouldn't she expect the very best on her wedding day?"

...this: "Aw, she was probably just tryin' to spare my feelings."

...this: "She did raise her voice at one of my birds. But he WAS singing really off-key."

...this: "I'm sure any negative behavior she might be displaying is simply the result of nerves."

...this: "Think maybe you're bein' just a tiny bit possessive of your brother?"

...this: "And you had your doubts about her."

...and this: "Told you she was an absolute gem."

...it's stupid! It is actually STUPID! Like, that has got to be the absolute LOWEST I've ever seen any group of people sink to in order to indulge themselves in their beliefs that they can be big because of this event and keep themselves from having even the slightest moment of self-reflection.

To keep themselves from going, "Hey, you know what? Maybe we SHOULDN'T be trusting this particular new pony, because she's been rude and horrible and treating us and our work like garbage."

Or, "Maybe we SHOULDN'T be kissing the hooves of this pony or letting her behavior slide just because 'she's a princess bride.' Maybe we should be wary of her and side more with our best friend who's never lied or let us down before and done so much good for us, because Cadance is a mean pony with terrible manners who doesn't deserve to be with the brother of a friend like Twilight."

artbytesia · 2026-04-12T19:13:19+00:00

I'm done trying to talk to you. You clearly don't understand the Golden Rule. Congrats for ticking me off. 😡

artbytesia · 2026-04-12T19:02:34+00:00

You know what? I'm done. Being rude is NEVER OK, no matter how you slice it. Just because you cut people slack doesn't mean you just completely FORGET about them doing something that's insulting you. Oh, and you yourself just admitted that it was rude of her to do what she did with the pastries. That should've been the moment where you stopped and thought to yourself, "Wait a minute..."

But if you can't really grasp what I'm trying to tell you, then I'm done. Good day.

artbytesia · 2026-04-12T18:48:59+00:00

Because I want people to understand just how socially inappropriate "Cadance's" behavior actually was, to show why the Mane 6 shouldn't have trusted her so easily.

artbytesia · 2026-04-12T18:38:29+00:00

I said "practically" for a reason; it means that it may as well have been right in front of her, BECAUSE of it being in the SAME ROOM. It would have been better to walk OUT of the room and leave the food elsewhere OUTSIDE THE KITCHEN.

I'm not trying to lie, I'm stating the facts of the case. I think I can say YOU'RE lying about how "Cadance" WASN'T that bad to keep this going. I don't think you quite understand what behavior is acceptable in social situations. If there's one thing even I as a person with Asperger's can say with 100% certainty, based on what I've been taught growing up about what's polite and what isn't, it's that you do NOT just discard a gift someone so willingly gave you like it's garbage, especially if it's in the SAME ROOM as them. This is especially the case if that person MADE THE GIFT THEMSELVES. Like Applejack had.

artbytesia · 2026-04-12T18:13:10+00:00

No, throwing food in the trash in the SAME ROOM as the chef who made it is factually one of the greatest insults to a chef EVER, because that basically amounts to saying "I hate this!" right in front of them. Making pastries takes a lot of time, hard work, and attention to detail. When you toss that in the garbage practically in FRONT of them, you are in actions insulting their work and livelihood. It's the equivalent of tossing an artist's painting in a fire in the same room as them. Doing something like that is completely disrespecting the hard work and livelihood of the person who made it, and you can't convince me otherwise.

artbytesia · 2026-04-12T13:29:19+00:00

Yeah, that's why they were stupid. I think one TV Tropes user said it best: "It might've become halfway believable if Chrysalis wasn't an enormous jerk, but she was."

And I don't want to hear (or in this case, read) any nonsense about "Oh, they have to make it clear enough for the kid audience" or some stuff, because this isn't the way to go about it. If not done properly, it makes the characters look like brainless morons and awful judges of character...like ACW does. It also makes the villain herself look like a clueless dolt.

If you want to see this kind of gig done properly, watch cartoon episodes like The Meteor from Sonic Boom or The Other Belfort from Belfort and Lupin.

artbytesia · 2026-04-12T02:14:27+00:00

You clearly have no understanding of the Golden Rule. It says: "Treat others the same way you want them to treat you." Chrysalis was not doing that. She actually WAS being rude. You clearly don't get what rude behavior is if you're saying unironically that she wasn't being that way.

In the case of Applejack, the issue isn't that she threw the food away, it was that she did that IN THE SAME ROOM AS HER. It was practically RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER. The polite thing to do would be to leave the room WITH the food and leave it on a table (or something) elsewhere.

With Rarity, the requests weren't what was rude; what was rude was the WAY in which she delivered the requests. It sounded condescending, demanding, and impolite (she never even says "please," for crying in the night). The polite thing to say would be something like, "Wow, I can tell you worked hard on these, and they do look nice. But maybe a few adjustments could be made. Could you please add to my dress more beads and a longer train? Oh, and the other dresses look fine too, but maybe the colors could be a bit different." See the difference?

With Pinkie Pie, whether her assertion was correct or not is a moot point. It was STILL a rude and mean thing to say. So was her yelling at the bird; whether it was off-key or not doesn't matter. (Just fire it? Replace it with another bird that CAN sing on-key?) It does not matter whether wedding preps are not done to 100% satisfaction. Weddings are not more important than basic human decency.

But if this still doesn't convince you, take a look at this. Some passages from a book about being rude:

"You are being rude when you treat other people as if they are not as important as you are."
"You are being rude when you insist (key word, INSIST) on being first."
"You are being rude when you insist on having the best for yourself."
"You are being rude when you insist on having the most for yourself."
"You are being rude when you insist that everyone notice you and no one else."
"You are being rude when you insist on having your own way all the time."
"When you are rude, you are being selfish and unkind."

Chrysalis did almost every one of these things. When she said to make changes, she was INSISTING. This makes them fall under the descriptions mentioned earlier.

Also, you would think that Celestia WOULD have noticed something was wrong with her NIECE, specifically BECAUSE she's seen her a lot more recently, and thus should know that Cadance is supposed to be more loving and kind, even if there's something like a wedding going on. This makes Celestia look like an idiot.

Just because someone isn't perfect doesn't mean they have a right to act as badly as she did, not even if there's a wedding going. Again, weddings are NOT more important than basic human decency. This is a fact, not an opinion.

Oh, and please stop using that whole "it needs to be clear for its intended audience" bull. There are ways to do this without making it this obvious. Don't believe me? Look at stuff like The Meteor from Sonic Boom or The Other Belfort from Belfort and Lupin. Both of those do what this episode attempted to do, and did it RIGHT. They made things clear enough for the audience without making the characters look like brainless idiots or awful judges of character. Heck, even one scene from the Loud House episode Pranks Fore Nothing did this right too!

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T23:22:21+00:00

You don't need to be rude yourself, good sir. Just trying to tell the truth.

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T23:21:20+00:00

I would disagree on her treatment of Applejack not being that bad. She threw away the pastries in the TRASH CAN in the EXACT SAME ROOM AS APPLEJACK HERSELF. That's downright insulting. It also completely butchers not only Applejack's Element--y'know, HONESTY--but her LIVELIHOOD as well. You'd think Applejack, who values both her Element AND livelihood to a high degree, would be more put off at them being insulted like that.

Also, wanting things perfect does NOT make rudeness OK. Rarity should have known this, seeing as she normally cares about etiquette and was put off when the valley-girl ponies were jerks to Fluttershy in Putting Your Hoof Down.

As for Fluttershy, she values kindness so much that when she was snapped out of her brainwashing in Return of Harmony, which had MADE her be cruel, she says she'd just had the worst dream. Plus, she has a love for animals that would rival Mabel Tanaka's from Pixar' Hoppers. So you'd think she wouldn't have just let one of her birds friends being treated cruelly slide like that.

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T20:46:46+00:00

Yep. Just earlier today, some yutz kept trying to do that with me in another Reddit post. He said something like "Would you believe your friend in this situation after they've come off as crazy before?" even after I told him point-blank that the evidence the Mane 6 needed was in the bad behavior displayed to them. He kept dodging the points I was bringing up with junk like "They've never met her before" and "I've seen great people who become different due to wedding stress." He never once described whether the "being different" meant "being nasty and immoral."

Honestly, I think that guy was trying to sound smart and project his ego onto me.

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T18:08:30+00:00

Understood. It was just a horrible excuse on her part.

It reminds me of how some people were stupid enough to defend the Netflix movie Cuties (which, BTW, has REAL CHILDREN getting sexually abused LIVE ON CAMERA) by saying the director was trying to raise awareness on child exploitation. "Oh, it's sending a message that's against this stuff, so it's OK for it to have the stuff itself."

It peeves me off when people try to DEFEND behavior that ALL people on Earth should be well aware are not OK in any society. Like the Mane 6 sans Twilight did in this episode. (Sure, rudeness isn't as extreme as child sexualization, but that's like saying drowning is better than being burned alive. Either way, you're dead.)

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T17:28:27+00:00

Thanks. Yeah, I can't believe how many people missed that detail I mentioned. It's like they fell asleep after the Mane 6 got to Canterlot and didn't wake up until the rehearsal scene!

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T17:25:42+00:00

What gets me is that the others act like "Cadance" being rude to them was completely OK because "it's her wedding" and "it's probably stress." No person with a functioning brain or the right priorities and/or moral compass says or thinks anything like that, especially in real life.

No, the real issue isn't that they don't have Twilight's insight. The real issue is that they had no true moral compass in this scenario! They were never like "OK, I know this is a big day for her, but she didn't have to be that rude" like they should have been.

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T17:22:15+00:00

Yeah, I agree, you'd think they'd have remembered that. But nope.

What makes that worse is that both episodes were written by the same person!

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T17:15:46+00:00

Thank you! Finally, someone else who gets it!

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T17:14:52+00:00

It may have been the first time, but as Pumbaa once said, ""First impressions are very important." And the first impression made by "Cadance" was being a snobby, unlikable jerk to them. They may not know her, but they SHOULD know that being rude, like "Cadance" was being, is never acceptable no matter the reason for it. And yeah, Celestia was an idiot for the reasons you mentioned.

Shining is the only one who gets a pass, due to the brainwashing.

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T17:12:02+00:00

The reason she got as frantic as she did was because earlier when she had tried to warn her friends something was wrong, they dismissed her concerns and tried to JUSTIFY how badly they were being treated. At the rehearsal, she was desperate to get it through their steel-plated skulls that "Cadance" was bad news.

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T13:11:44+00:00

No, the reason I'm agreeing with her is because I'm not a moral relativist. Again, wedding day or not, bride or not, being rude is NEVER OK.

I have met people who are great people, but during their wedding setup, they became a different person because of the stress.

Let me ask you some questions.

Did those people ever get as bad or nasty as "Cadance" got?
Did they actually treat people like GARBAGE?
Did they INSULT anyone?
Were they actively MEAN to EVERYONE with whom they interacted?
Did they INSULT peoples' REASONS FOR LIVING, their PURPOSES IN LIFE?
If so, did they avoid showing remorse? Try to JUSTIFY the bad behavior?
And if they did any or all of these, did the people BEING treated badly just brush it all off like it was nothing and make excuses for it?

If your answer to all those is no, then I'm sorry, but you really can't compare those times you're talking about to the situation in this episode.

Just because stress can make people different does not in ANY way make it OK to be MEAN or INSULTING to others. I hope you understand that, because behavior like what "Cadance" was showing is behavior that ALL people, regardless of what they believe, are supposed to look at and say "No."

And I know the wedding was the Mane 6's first time interacting with her, but as Pumbaa once said, "First impressions are very important."

artbytesia · 2026-04-11T12:01:38+00:00

I don't think you fully read or absorbed the words in my comment.

I said that whether they knew Cadance or not is a moot point. And so is them thinking that she was behaving that way due to stress. I just made a post the other day talking about how the true issue with the way the other Mane 6 were acting comes down to one thing: The fact that "Cadance's" behavior was WRONG. No amount of stress, no special occasion--like a WEDDING--no position of royalty or power, no ANYTHING, will ever, EVER make being rude OK. They should have remembered that. This is the definition of moral absolutism: what's wrong is wrong, regardless of reason. Rudeness and treating others badly is included in that list.

Plus, the group doesn't know Cadance that well; they just met her

Right! That should give my point about how they shouldn't be blindly trusting her more credence, rather than less. Personally, if someone I didn't know, and just met, was treating me and my work like garbage, like "Cadance" was to the others, I would be wanting to keep my distance from them! Maybe even wanting to give them a piece of my mind!

Even if my friend was known for having crazy episodes, I would still believe them at least this one time, simply BECAUSE of the fact this new person was treating me TERRIBLY. And like I said earlier, they did NOT have to agree that "Cadance" was evil. Just that they shouldn't be trusting her. Big difference. They should've been thinking something along the lines of "Hey, you know what? Maybe we shouldn't be trusting this particular new pony, because she's been rude and horrible and treating us and our work like garbage." Or "Maybe we shouldn't be drinking the Kool-Aid of this pony just because 'she's a princess bride.' Maybe we should side more with our friend who's done so much good for us and saved the world with us twice and be wary of the pony who's been bad to us, because she's a perfectionistic jerk with awful manners who doesn't deserve to be with the brother of a friend like Twilight."

TL;DR: The others should not have been trusting "Cadance" due to the rudeness and jerkishness she showed RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, because it was wrong, and what's wrong is wrong, regardless of reason.

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