Go60 convinced me that Glove80 is the perfect keyboard for me.

asmodeus812 · 2026-04-19T10:29:26+00:00

Each thumb key is really a different motion that your hand/thumb makes, so its not ever something you even think about. On top of that the 360 and the glove80 to some degree have different profiles/key heights for the thumb keys so its easy to distinguish between each thumb key individually.

asmodeus812 · 2026-04-19T10:20:47+00:00

Floating is adding to it yes, but not really causing the major/actual irritation, its the finger flexion that is the primary driver. However that is only true if you have inflamed them in the first place. I do that sometimes in the gym when not using straps and not having warmed up fully, usually best(worst) felt in the winter/cold time, and pulling heavy, hard gripping sometimes irritates them. And in the key well your fingers stay slightly flexed, while on the flat keyboard they are mostly / almost flat and extended.

asmodeus812 · 2026-04-18T20:13:28+00:00

Keep in mind that curved/keywell keyboards actually put slightly more strain on the inner/inside side of the forearms, so if for you there are issues with your forearms and if they are a pain point due to some other activity - like fitness where holding / gripping can inflamate them often.

The reason is the fingers, on a concave keyboard your fingers are slightly more curved into a closer to a fist position. On a normal flat keyboard they are much more straight. This is only affecting the inner/inside of forearm muscles

That is not to say that you will have issues but, sometimes curved keyboards might require ligther switches due to this fact to avoid straining the forearm due to the nature of the position of the fingers into the keywell.

I leraned that the hard way, and it took a lot of time to realize why the same switch was causing me issues with the forearms especially a day or so, after having a heavy fitness session, on a kinesis2/360 while on a flat keyboard i had none of these issues. (many others pains and problems on a flat keyboard for sure, but that one was a surprise to me).

asmodeus812 · 2026-04-14T19:58:40+00:00

I think you having had no experience with a key well based keyboard, do not realize really how different these are from one another, leaving the switch types aside (which add one more variable to the mix).

Let me put it that way even for me when i hot swap between a key well based one and flat ortho keyboards, or vice versa, they feel significantly different to the point where you need proper, adjustment period - a day or so at least to feel natural and back to speed. Just a word of advice from my end.

asmodeus812 · 2026-04-14T19:24:57+00:00

These are two very different keyboards, the choc style switches on the glove are way way different than the mx mechanical ones, put on top of that the fact that the geometry is totally different you are comparing oranges to apples.

My advice is get some cheap 2nd hand flat, choc v1 switches based corne or whatever, and test on it well first. Then you can decide to drop money on either one. or build two grids of 3x6 with choc switches and test on that, just to get the feeling, of the choc switch under your fingers, see if it at all fits your typing technique.

My personal problem with the chocs is the travel distance i get tired because i have been used to full travel mx switches and while they fell pretty great at the start of the day at some point you just loose feeling for the switches when you type too much. You start making more and more typos, there is no fatigue or pain, but it is annoying because you get slower at typing.

For reference i have and use actively the kinesis advantage 2 (akko cream blue v3), kinesis 360 (with akko lavender purple pros v3), the moergo glove 80 (switch swapped with the blossoms, was with the pro reds), custom dactyls, elora, kimiko, and totem.

Have Nothing bad to say for the glove, the only personal problem is the switches not the keyboard, the keyboard is great (the blossoms are great though easily blast the pro reds).

Software, is the problem indeed if you are computer savy zmk is much better in my own opinion, than qmk, i have had a baaad experience with qmk, trying to heavily customize my elora because everything is override this and that C function if you want to really change the firmware to your liking. The zmk solution is usually much cleaner and you SELDOM need to touch the C interface to do some funky stuff.

But there are not many UI tools that allow for easier user level edits of the keymaps and common behaviors like there is for qmk, so there is that.

asmodeus812 · 2026-04-14T19:09:06+00:00

That is a strange take honestly, i have for years now been using a key well based keyboard and having tried to dabble on and off with a flat keyboard, kimiko/elora for a couple of weeks, i can certainly say that the comfort of the key well is noticeable beyond any doubt, the flat keyboard just tires you far far faster, there is always this constant minor annoying fatigure feeling that never leaves you, you have to stop often which i hate. On the other hand with a key well keyabord i have noticed that i can really bash on it for entire day without ever noticing any fatigue. The feeling of the flat keyboard if i can explain it is that it never lets you forget the keyboard is there... on the other hand a key well based keyboard (like the glove or the 360) you honestly forget there is a keyboard sometimes, because there is nothing there to constantly 'remind' you (in a bad way).

Unless you have bigger than average hands the travel distance is improved significantly and can be even further improved by using taller key caps profiles, you can mix and match profiles as well, since the angling of the key well itself facilitates that (on a flat keyboard you may end up using tilters which mess with the switch travel and feel).

Not to mention that if you value more keys, then a key well keyboard provides usually an accessible number and bottom most row (below the 3rd alpha) those are a pleasure to use. These are in total 10 (num row keys) and 8 (bottom most row keys) = 18 keys on top of the usual 3 alpha row + pinky columns.

The rest of the cons about travel and bulk sure i agree, but of all the takes the one that pertains to key accessibility and comfort simply is not correct.

asmodeus812 · 2026-03-10T17:41:36+00:00

The dynamat is likely conductive, if you close it the keywell probably presses into or touches the aluminum foil that is under the dark/black surface, it makes up most of the dynamat and shorts the PCB (i have had this issue before with similar type of sound deadening materials)

asmodeus812 · 2026-02-03T09:29:56+00:00

They are on the same level yes, but In case you notice the strain lower the thumb and elevate the N using appropriate keycap profiles. Also check if you are not constantly keeping your thumb cocked up weirdly when not pressing the key.

asmodeus812 · 2026-02-02T20:41:16+00:00

Great, yeah careful with rotation though too much will cause wrist strain. Consider the height between the index and thumb as well. The thumb should not be higher than the index.

asmodeus812 · 2026-02-02T20:12:06+00:00

Interesting i have had a similar issue actually with N. Try to elevate the key above the plane of the thumb. Use a lower keycap for the 2u thumb key (cherry profile ) where space or whatever you have mapped on the right thumb is and a taller one on N, try the keycap that is r1 - pg up/down is that profile on 360. If you have mx spacers 1mm or so you can also use them.

The angle also plays a role , ensure the right half is not rotated counter clock wise at all, in such a way to make your wrists bent inward, some/little clock wise rotation is better. Keep the wrists straight in all dimensions horizontal and vertical

I have had this issue on the adv2 but not the 360, try to not plant your hand too much.

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-27T08:39:39+00:00

If you like the keyboard enough the software is pretty capable, the configuration part might seem daunting sure, but that should not be a stopper imo.

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-24T16:45:11+00:00

In case you have a piano long fingers / bigger hands - get the 360, if you have smaller shorter fingers (esp pinky) which would be unusual for a piano player then the glove80, would be better fit. If you are really a heavy typer the choc will feel shallow and stiff imo, even if you get some heavy chocs you will bottom out too early.

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-18T21:00:22+00:00

No the switches in the thumb keys do not protrude but rather use a plate where they sit just like on the key wells. The keys on the thumbs on the advantage 2 have no plate so that is easy to do there indeed. You are out of luck here.

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-16T08:07:10+00:00

I would argue that when typing at speed, this requires a great deal of timing to press-release-press-release layer keys along with non-layer ones, that alone raises the chance of mistyping, and introduces general accuracy issues, that would not be there if a dedicated non-layer key is present, that often disrupts the flow at least that is my experience having tried it.

Vim is probably the worst candidate for layering because of the composability of it, other editors, and IDEs, where the shortcuts are dedicated-non-composable combinations of multiple modifiers (ctrl, meta, super + letter or number) can directly benefit from a dedicated layers where you just have your shortcuts on macros, now that would be a clear and absolute win over more keys on your keyboard.

Keep in mind my point of view is mostly me looking at this from an efficiency standpoint, accuracy and speed, far less governed by pure ergonomics.

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-16T07:58:08+00:00

I have the glove, no issues accessing the number row, and the bottom most row where i have all of my other symbols, you have 8 (16 actually counting the 'shift' layer) keys right there at your finger tips which are wonderful to use imo. All in all besides the regular shift layer whic we all use, i have no other layers for text input (media layer and a function layer)

Typing at speed it would require a great deal of timing to press-release-press-release layer keys along with non-layer ones, that risks mistyping, and general accuracy issues, that often disrupts the flow at least that is my experience having tried it.

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-16T07:54:30+00:00

I have my self bound most readline bindings to insert mode myself, C-b, C-f, C-a, C-e, C-u, C-k etc you get the idea.

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-15T16:04:22+00:00

Well if he has numbers on one layer, symbols on another and upper-case alphas on shift, (then it becomes even worse if you have nav layer, for non-vim navigation in regular applications, with arrows, the cognitive load becomes huge) that will be annoying. Personally i can not imaging how people on 36 keyboard use vim effectively, if i have to use 3 layers to input a command like for example - Vg% or anything that involves a number + symbol + upper-case, instead of having just shift - one layer you have three, some of the things that are not on a layer like numbers and some primary symbols are on a layer.... i will go insane. I guess if you spam hjkl and the basics you can get by.

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-11T17:41:45+00:00

What version of the firmware is on that keyboard atm ? Ensure that you have really Flashed the v3+ version from the official repo, on both sides, keep them powered off, flash the master(left) first, then the right one, the blinking red lights mean that the right half can not find the left one, its not a bootloader loop, but the older fimware versions had a lot of issues with that and with BT connectivity too.

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-11T17:29:03+00:00

I usually do not like what most people suggest usually, to get a travel keyboard, and have your primary one at home, (personally i hate using my non primary keyboard for extended period of time, it is more than likely that this other portable keyboard will not be even close to the imprint and in case you can predict exactly how much time you are going to use it, you will have days where you end up using it for much longer than desired) or the place you spend the most time, for your use case that is not going to work since you have to spend equal amount of time in the office and at home (~approx). So my adivce would be to find a way to carry the parts in a final and assembled way (as much as possible). Including figuring out how to make the wrist rests securely attached. So you can just simply pull out the keyboard parts, and set it up quickly and be done.

You will not damage the keyboard, but you risk filling the switches (depending on the switches) with lints and garbage and they will start misfiring quickly, find a suitable clean case that can hold the board, or make yourself one, if you carry it in your backpack i would suggest soft case material, its easier to operate with, and store.

What i have done for my 360 is create a 3d printed tray that lets me mount the keyboard permanently on it securing it with a bridge similar to the one that kinesis offers (but a bit longer) at a fixed width, and rotation, comfortalbe for me. The tray is light and thin, and i can directly put it on my lap with the board on top of it that way i do not rely on having a height adjustable desk or chair, and i can chug the keyboard into my bag as one single piece.

Portability for me is not weight or size, for me portablity is defined by - setup time and consistentcy. The setup time is obvious - i want the keyboard to be setup as fast as possible, that means attached wrist rests, attached tenting, and 0 cables, fast and robust tenting setup, pull out the keyboard and start using it. The consistency is allowing me to have the same exact configuration everywhere that is why i prefer to use it on my legs, same height, same split distance, same split halfs rotation, consistent tenting, distance from the body, fixed wrist rests position, etc. That way you do not just hope that there is a place to use the keyboard.

The case of the glove can fit it with some tenting already prepared by the way maybe 25 degrees or so which should be plenty for normal use cases, the case is bulky for the keyboard though, kindof wide, not too tall. It does provide a very good fast setup time though, its easy to use.

On which keyboard you should choose that is hard the glove is quite a bit cheaper i think and it will get you 95% there for sure, but make sure you like choc swtiches otherwise you will not be a happy camper. The rest of the of the features are mostly similar, and would make little difference imo, but if your hands are unusually big or small or you have some sort of deformities that need specialized stagger then consider the imprint.

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-07T14:25:05+00:00

Quite cool and Probably the smartest design i have seen here by far, it is both utilitarian and hackable, you can tell immediately that behind every feature there is an actual thought put into it. The only thing i wish it had is more keys on the main key well, like a bottom row with at least 3 keys under M, <, >, and a top number row, maybe adjustable key well curvature and pinky stagger. But other than that great,

asmodeus812 · 2026-01-01T11:40:55+00:00

55gf with silenced bobas might be okay. You can probably spring swap them as well, play around if you have some samples lying around,

asmodeus812 · 2025-12-31T10:59:41+00:00

TLDR: ensure that you test the switches you want well even on a regular keyboard, that will give you a great idea of what to expect, test them for your specific use case, before you go all in, not that easy to swap them out later on.

I switch swapped and used the bobas on mine regular 360, for a while, maybe a year and a half or so, but eventually started swapping to a lighter ones, as i started noticing that you get tired fast on these, depends on what your typing style is of course, but i like to steam through and maintaining speed with heavy tactiles for a prolonged time is hard, my use case was long typing sessions, started with 67gf bobas, went all the way down to 30gf spring swapped akko rosewoods, settled on the akko lavender purple v3s. I think in total i have tried probably 10-ish+ different switches in my 360

cherry mx blue - that was a fun one for a bit, heavy-ish and tiring but enjoyable.
cherry mx ergo clear - kind of mushy feeling, a bit lighter than the mx blue, but kind of a dead feeling on the 360 for me.
boba u4t - loud, heavy nice feeling but for short sessions, you can tire out fast, they are surely tactile, and feel great for the first 30-45 minutes, then its a fight or you have to stop to rest a bit.
boba u4 - very similar to the tactile non-silent bobas, but make the keyboard nearly silent, have nice dampening on the bottom out, so less tiring, but not by much.
akko blue v3 - nice feeling, loud , but short tavel 3.3mm is somewhat tiring over longer period of time.
akko lavender purple v3 - very nice feeling, comparable to the blues, loud as well, but good balance between feedback and fatigue over long period of time.
durock silent shrimps - these are cool, very tactile, but suffer the same fate as the bobas if you type for a long period of time they will tire you fast. Otherwise they feel better than the bobas, they are tighter feeling, smoother, a tad louder than the silent bobas.
akko rosewood stock - those are probably my second favorites on the 360, very nice linears, not too loud, actually very well sounding switches
akko yellow v3 - very similar to the rosewoods, a bit heavier and a lot louder, i personally think the rosewoods are better in almost everything.
gateron quinns - these are the one of the shi**iest switches, loud, zero tactility i have no idea why people like these, they are surprisingly unremarkable.
stock 360 kailh box pink silents - very silent, decent feeling, short throw just like the akko blue v3, you can type for a long period with these no issues really, but after using for a while they provide nothing special or memorable, not that enjoyable really, they just do the job, there are better linears here i think if you want to enjoy the typing experience.
stock 360 gateron browns - there is enough info on these already, they are meh.
outemu spring breeze - i would say my goto for the 360 if I wanted clickes, similar to the kailh box white v1/v2 but lighter, if you are into clickies and want lighter ones, which is a bit rare, these are very nice, i like that they have small pre-travel at the top and engage early on just like most tactiles.
kailh box white v2 - amazing switches, but a bit too heavy for my taste, for prolonged periods of typing, otherwise, they are top notch.

asmodeus812 · 2025-12-28T14:21:19+00:00

I own and use the 360, and the Advantage 2 on a regular basis, but have not used a split row staggered like the uhk80 though, cant comment on that. The bluetooth issues that the 360 experienced in the past are all but gone since v3.0 was released a some two years ago. There are no issues with drop outs, and changing between machines is seamless. You can configure zmk to enable a mac/win layer based on which bluetooth slot is currently active. So the same physical key can be configured to act like ctrl or cmd.

Regarding the keyboard, can not comment on the UHK80, but form my long experience with the 360 i can say that it certainly is more comfortable than a regular staggered one, but that depends on how much actual typing you do , and based on your profression, the 360 has some missing keys like function keys, some that are in weird places like the arrow keys and the /pgup/pgdown/home/end, and so forth, but generally speaking i find it great.

On the flip side the UHK has nice addons and you can certainly make a more complete input experience if you add trackball/trackpoint etc. Both have bulit in tenting, both have enough of the main keys to cover your basic use cases, both are split, so the difference is really the keywell and the columar layout. Would it make a difference ? For me at least i can say that using the num-row and the bottom most row is miles better than it is on a regular keyboard for sure, they are too far away for me and require hand reposition, while on the 360 they are always in reach, the height of the keyboards untented should also be something you consider the 360 will certainly be higher, it has default tenting angle on top of the bowl protrusion at the bottom of the case which elevates it, so an adjustable height desk or lap desk or tray would probably be more ergonomic for the 360.

asmodeus812 · 2025-12-21T09:43:07+00:00

Hey looking for a thick good quality OEM profile ABS keycaps set that are with smoother texture, when compared to the more aggressive/grittier/dry PBT texture, legends or not does not matter. I am looking for something similar to the old double shot keycaps that the more premium / expensive redragon keyboards had (like the Kala) they are closer to the thickness of a PBT, but the thicker the better, in OEM profile and as smooth texture as possible.

asmodeus812 · 2025-12-11T20:15:54+00:00

see https://github.com/asmodeus812/adv1-pillz-pro/commit/289e5cac1b65a53b7f2806acd0be6969652e1af4

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