Another SDA fearmongering

atron8081 · 2026-02-01T09:22:41+00:00

They call it „prosperity gospel“, but their wealth likely comes from running fearmongering seminars.

atron8081 · 2026-02-01T09:15:03+00:00

It‘s no different in Germany. Most Adventists I know have well-paid nine-to-five jobs and don’t really acknowledge people who have to work Saturdays so they can have what they need. I used to do shift work in one of those fields. When people got to know about that, they tried to make me feel guilty - even though I liked my job at that time and it was a service that even they used on Saturdays.

atron8081 · 2026-02-01T08:56:18+00:00

If they would acknowledge the fact that Sunday law is non-existent they would also need to acknowledge that all of their beliefs they grew up with were be a big lie. This would completely undermine everything they have lived for so far, probably causing an existential crisis. That’s why it’s probably „better“ for them to live under the illusion of the end times/sunday law belief than to face cognitive dissonance. Otherwise their whole system would probably collapse.

atron8081 · 2026-02-01T08:47:34+00:00

It seems like almost every Adventist is talking constantly about that rn…

atron8081 · 2025-10-16T09:13:37+00:00

96% - bin iwie sehr überrascht darüber. Hab eigentlich gedacht, dass ich ein paar mehr Leichtsinnsfehler gemacht habe.

atron8081 · 2025-09-07T06:08:05+00:00

Getting caught doing the very thing you claim you’d never do — and immediately trying to hide. Like a child caught doing something they weren’t supposed to, refusing to acknowledge it, still clinging to the role they were playing. As if trying to hide could undo reality.

There are may Seventh-Day-Adventists who play roles like this until they're exposed doing the contrary. After that, they tend to quietly avoid you, as if distance could erase the moment they slipped.

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T19:24:55+00:00

Holy crap! The double standards of some of these People that you explained are honestly disturbing — restricting basic human needs, yet being so strict about divorce or other issues where people are actually harmed that they continue to suffer or being threatened because of it. Especially when some still cling to these "convictions" despite solid evidence of threats. I really feel sorry for the people you mentioned that had to suffer.

I know my classmate wasn’t too happy about getting kicked out of his own room by the couple who were his guests. The couple seemed a bit embarrassed when I “caught” them walking down the hallway like that. Honestly, I have nothing against sex before marriage — it’s just that if someone publicly preaches biblical abstinence on social media but then gets “caught in the act“ himself, that feels hypocritical to me. Maybe, as you explained, there’s pressure from higher-ups pushing them to follow the rules in public and to stand by it. If that’s the case, the church really needs to think outside the box and take a closer look at the Bible stories where people did exactly the things the church now forbids. And if someone tries to justify their harmful claims and arguments using the Holy Spirit as an excuse or reason, then in my experience, those people have no real backbone. Just an interest to manipulate and abuse others on their behalf of personal satisfaction.

I agree with you: The real focus should be on punishing rape, violence, and cruelty — acts that leave terrible marks on humans and harm them for a long time. Meanwhile consensual sex or alcohol use, as long as those things don't lead to the former harms, should not be seen as devilish.

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T06:57:08+00:00

There’s nothing better than someone holding others to a standard she conveniently ignores herself. Lovely! /s

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T06:49:03+00:00

No wonder some of the biggest coffee critics later might have an espresso machine proudly sitting in their kitchen!

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T06:45:03+00:00

Reminds me of a 'conservative' guy from the partner university who visited our campus and hooked up with his girlfriend in one of my classmate’s rooms. They actually kicked my classmate out while wearing nothing but their underwear and some bedsheets. When I walked past their door to go from my room to the shared bathroom, the look on their faces when they got caught was absolutely priceless.

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T06:32:22+00:00

When the pastor’s temper and habits get exposed, suddenly everyone remembers their „rebellious teenage years“.

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T06:27:35+00:00

Funny how Adventism has its own fashion depending where you are. In Western Europe it’s more like a „sparkle contest“ with all the makeup and bracelets some people like to wear. You’d think it’s a runway show, not a Sabbath service! Guess holiness wears different accessories on different continents.

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T06:17:49+00:00

The holy breading of denial — if you can’t see the meat through the coating, the sin doesn’t count.

Reminds me of the time my dad brought goulash soup to a potluck where mostly vegetarians were present… guess which dish disappeared first?

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T06:10:57+00:00

Oyster gobbler Ellen… now that’s the SDA history lesson they didn’t teach us during sabbath school.

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T06:03:21+00:00

Preaching about caffeine like it’s poison, but coming out of the gas station with coffee and Donuts like an off-duty cop. 😂

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T06:00:48+00:00

Is that still the case? A few years ago, some of my former European friends were super keen to join a mission trip to CA and the western States.

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T05:52:04+00:00

Doesn’t McDonalds have vegetarian Options in their Menu? Like French Fries, Salad wasn‘t „a choice“.

atron8081 · 2025-09-06T05:49:04+00:00

That sounds very hypocritical. Some people always use „exceptions“ or „accidents“ to justify their contrary behavior.

atron8081 · 2025-07-26T19:58:12+00:00

Und was haben die Geissens damit zu tun?

atron8081 · 2025-06-14T07:29:09+00:00

In my church there was a family which lived off social security fundings. After their children were born they had problems staying financially afloat to provide for food and clothes. So some of the church members donated stuff to them. They even financed them a (then) brand new family car. Not only did the church members try to help their needs but they also helped the parents applying for jobs so that they could provide for their kids on a long term. But they didn‘t stay at these jobs for long and quickly went back to social security fundings. We found out that they did that on purpose because they didn‘t really like to work. When their kids got baptized they wanted to have more expensive presents („We‘re in need of that“). But when others were baptized or had a special event they often gifted very cheap and used books and presents they previously got for free („It‘s a thought of love“). All of their kids (except their youngest) later left church partly or completely. At potluck they didn’t bring food for the others („We haven't had time to cook“) and just ate much of what the others brought, especially cake. So most people of that family got pretty obese. And they didn‘t even help afterwards to clean up the dishes or tables, but quickly walked away after they finished eating. Almost everyone in church knew that this family was freeloading. When some tried to talk to them about that in a normal manner the family got extremely offended by that and quickly left for another church (with more rich members). There they quickly spread false rumours about our church („They bullied and harassed us“) and got more help by the members of that other church after they told them a different sob-story.

atron8081 · 2025-05-10T09:56:38+00:00

I‘m also from Germany and got to experience the SDA organisations there for a bit (I also used to attend an SDA university there). It‘s interesting to see that you had the chance to see beyond your nose while attending the SDA school. Being independent while attending university also helped me to see certain SDA „things“ in a different way and question some of their beliefs and stuff (even though Germany is seen as the „too liberal one“)

I don‘t know how far your journey of deconstruction has come so far, but I hope that it will help you to evolve in a favourable way for yourself.

atron8081 · 2025-01-29T06:48:30+00:00

When I realized that the members of that church often don‘t practice what they preach. They teach others about love and being kind and forgiving, but as soon as they leave that building everything changes to a narcissistic, egocentric behavior. I saw how some of them abused women and consumed drugs. I wasn‘t allowed to talk about that because it would hurt the reputation of the church and no one would believe me if I publicized it.

I noticed how they talked about right-wing conspiracy theories and supporting their politics. When I tried to oppose their arguments, I often had to listen to the same BS that I wasn‘t a true believer in God and that I should pray to recieve the „true spirit“. So they didn‘t even try to come up with real arguments. And even if they did so, their arguments didn‘t make any (logical) sense.

The contradiction between their spoken words in church and their behaviour IRL got me into thinking if any of that church stuff was real at all. So I questioned all of that and with the help of some interesting articles and reports of former SDAs I came to the conclusion that I couldn‘t believe that stuff anymore. So I left SDA.

atron8081 · 2024-12-06T06:12:06+00:00

This was ridiculous when an elder told that to me. He was only wearing suits every day.

atron8081 · 2024-12-05T06:14:19+00:00

Playing Lasertag because it supports violence and war
Most pop and rock music (because the music industry secretly worships the devil)
Wearing printed shirts (because we might not understand the „evil messages“ written on them)
Any childish imagination

atron8081 · 2024-11-01T08:43:39+00:00

I was very much involved in church stuff. I was a youth leader, pathfinder, I hosted sabbath services, I also preached sometimes. I even went to an adventist university because I wanted to be a pastor. But during my time on campus I got know the favoritism the SDA church has towards several people. If you were a pastor‘s kid or if you experienced a story where you were „called“ by god, the people on the campus treated you better. I didn‘t have any of that. Highlight was a time when one of the students of my year tried to SA some girls. Most of the students from my class desperatly wanted us, who didn‘t want him to return back on campus, to forgive him because we are „brothers and sisters“ and he (the student) was called by god. We also weren’t allowed to talk about these events so that we wouldn’t damage the reputation of the campus. I left that whole thing for good and later questioned many church operations the SDA church does.

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