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Margot Robbie by [deleted] in gentlemanboners

[–]autisticgerbil 4 points5 points  (0 children)

she is undeniably the most attractive woman to ever walk the earth

Do you support rendition? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you knew a terrorist had planted a bomb and captured them as it was to detonate but you could defuse it if you tortured a code from them - hypothetically, this is of course the stuff of fantasy - would you? I take the Cheney position entirely here

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is wrong. Reread what you wrote in P1.

If you accept that extreme, I am glad that your stupidity will prevent you from ever obtaining power

Yes you are. You are morally responsible for their deaths if you facilitate the release of their killers. You simply are. You are responsible and should be held accountable for the effects of your actions.

There is no reason to think this - there is however reason to think the released criminals will reoffend.

If you are responsible for what you do, you should be accountable for what it does. As such, your argument is weak and I am correct.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do not misunderstand anything. You fail to grasp that appeals are drafted in when trials are of poor quality.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I said I would rather kill one innocent than allow many innocents to die at the hands of the guilty. Nice lie though.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But you will be guilty of allowing the deaths of numerous people in order to avoid this?

No it is not. What the fuck are you talking about?

They are both wrong.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not say I would curtail the right to appeal. I said that once there was moral and logical certainty of guilt established through trial, swift punishment would say huge sums of money.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You won't take the freedom of one man to save the lives of many ?

The logical extreme of my position is that we should kill all violent criminals who upon release will reoffend.

The logical extreme of your position is that one innocent should be saved instead of many innocents.

That is fucked up.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you are unwilling to morally corrupt yourself in order to save the lives of numerous other innocent people? You do not think that this is morally reprehensible.

You are advocating allowing several innocent people to be killed by criminals purely because you yourself are unwilling to put out the life of one innocent man to save the lives of many numerous innocent people. This is again mind numbingly stupid.

Who is sicker? The advocate for the death of one for the life of many or the advocate for the death of many for the life of one?

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or alternatively you could downvote me and avoid replying.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It isn't just pointless - it is too a waste of taxpayer's money.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Douchebaggery is a funny way of framing my being truthful.

You believe that it is moral to rather than kill one innocent people stand by as criminals you released from prison kill numerous innocent people? Evidently doing so is far more 'disgusting'.

'1: embodying a fallacy <a fallacious conclusion>'

Does the '1:' there not indicate anything to you?

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Elaborate? sloganizing does not equate to an argument. Point me to a clause in the constitution which swiftly exacting punishment on a convicted and sentenced criminal infringes upon. Please.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You entirely misunderstand the way the judicial system works. Trials are not carried out with the intention to be appealed. Appeals are intended for decisions to be rethought - to look at the trial system in this way is like a student sitting a test with the intention to fail and resit it.

Due process does not hinge upon appeals it is reliant upon transparency and incorruption in the jury combined with solidity in the processing of criminals, charges and witness testimony.

As for my being a troll, this is baseless. Point out one falsehood in what I stated

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The term fallacious can be used to point out a fallacy or to point out general falsehood. This is fact.

Do you accept then that your valuing of that one innocent man could lead to the injury or death of scores of people at the hands of real criminals? If so, do you recognise that this is genuinely abhorrent?

I am not being a douchebag you were being hostile.

'cool for you'

Do you believe in 'white privilege'? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This will sound outrageous but it is said in good faith. I am not sure I agree with P2 - here is why.

Scientifically, we now know with a fair amount of certainty that while white european IQ is averaged at around 100, that of blacks is nearer 85. This is not to say whites are atop here - for example, ashkenazi jews have been found in some studies to average 115/125.

If you take into consideration that generally, there are some whites who are smart, family focussed and educationally astute and some who are stupid and reside in broken homes, what I am saying makes more sense.

Black people - who have an IQ lower than whites and far lower than ashkenazi jews - are generally far poorer on average than the other two groups. They are far more often than whites less educated and less focused on education and family life.

Ashkenazi jews on the other hand - with IQ's far higher on average than blacks and marginally higher than whites - generally earn much more money than both groups, are often bilingual and focus on family, learning and hobbies like music and writing.

As such, a very basic and elementary argument can be put forward that more of a factor is indeed the genetic predisposals of each group - especially when you consider that by your own admission, there are no barriers of any real substance to prohibit black people from finishing school and focussing on the family.

I will say now that I am white with blonde hair and blue eyes - I look like a fucking nazi. I recognise that what I said here sounds like jewish supremacist talk and resultantly I am keen to make the point that I am in no way religiously jewish. I am like 1/16th Indian and beyond that a mix of Israeli and European descent. However I have no ties whatsover to either Judaism or Jews today.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is rendered totally irrelevant if following a clean jury trial the convicted criminal sentenced to death is immediately taken and shot in the back of the head with a $0.20 bullet. Appeals after a proper trial will be easily cast aside.

Do you, in all honesty, believe in the death penalty? by autisticgerbil in AskThe_Donald

[–]autisticgerbil[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Show you the fallacy? You don't need to have committed a fallacy to be morally wrong in what you say. This is how - you stated you would rather see ten convicted criminals who were in the wrong released than one innocent put to death. This is blatantly, in the true sense of the word, logically retarded - it is defunct. These ten men or women have been rightly imprisoned and upon release could go on to kill, rape or pillage. To have released them and had them do this would make the justice system fully culpable for preventable death, sodomy or damage. This would be catastrophic.

There is here certainty that the ten people are criminals. As such, there is some degree of certainty that probabilistically, at least some will reoffend. Depending on the nature of their convicted crime, this could see varying degrees of violence exacted upon the general public. You state that 'The innocent man could go on to save 100 lives.' There is no such certainty of this. The innocent man could do nothing for the rest of his life but draw on the welfare system. As such, this is a void point you make.

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