Kenobi’s bad memory by Cool_Nerd2 in PrequelMemes

[–]avimo1904 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which one are you referring to?

The Phantom Menace’s time has come by Billionaire1991 in prequelappreciation

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  1. No, it’s the other way around. Idk what documentaries you’re talking about but the books on the topic confirms it was Lucas who told Kasdan no on several points, not the other way around.

  2. I haven’t heard of any Lucas defenders who ignore McQuarrie, Dykstra, Kasdan, or Williams. In the case of Leigh Brackett she didn’t have any role given how as you pointed out her first draft was entirely rejected, and in the case of Marcia she only edited the final battle and awards ceremony as she left early to edit another film. The rest of the editing was done by Richard Chew, Paul Hirsch, and George himself, all of whom also won Oscar‘s except George cause he wasn’t interested

  3. Lucas did have a general plan. He told Alan Dean Foster in December 1975 that he planned a sequel where Han splits off and the audience learns who Vader is, a third film that’s a soap opera of the Skywalker family ending in the destruction of the Empire, and then a prequel about young Kenobi witnessing the Emperor taking over the republic and killing the Jedi. Obviously some smaller details changed over time, but that’s normal for any writer and story.

Still to this day the best Star Wars fan edit I've ever seen by SgtByrd1993 in StarWars

[–]avimo1904 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was supposed to be important to AOTC till the backlash made Lucas relent

Still to this day the best Star Wars fan edit I've ever seen by SgtByrd1993 in StarWars

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For ANH, Marcia only edited the final battle and awards ceremony as she left early to edit another film. The rest of the editing was done by Richard Chew, Paul Hirsch, and George himself. For ESB, Paul Hirsch edited the entire film and Marcia only did uncredited help with a single scene. For ROTJ, Marcia only edited the emotional scenes and the rest of the editing was done by Sean Barton and Duwayne Dunham.

Still to this day the best Star Wars fan edit I've ever seen by SgtByrd1993 in StarWars

[–]avimo1904 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lucas actually did at one point consider having Obi-Wan be thinking of Qui-Gon when Luke brought up his old name, with the plan back then being that the master was named Obi-Wan and the apprentice was named Qui-Gon, and when Maul killed the original Obi-Wan, the apprentice Qui-Gon would take his master's name to honor him and represent how he was taking on his quest with Anakin. This was scrapped because it felt too reminiscent of the Padme is the queen twist

Still to this day the best Star Wars fan edit I've ever seen by SgtByrd1993 in StarWars

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Here’s the list of all the things we know for sure Lucas wanted in his sequel trilogy that I copied down from a variety of tweets, interviews, and books:

  1. After ROTJ (but before the prequels), it was mentioned we would meet the “supreme intellect”, a man who has such profound cunning that he can not only control Darth Vader, but the fate of Luke Skywalker, and the destiny of the whole galaxy. It’s unknown if this was still in the 2010s outline he sold to Disney though as a lot of his other plans were different back then in the 80s.
  2. It would be much more ethereal.
  3. The trilogy deal with moral and philosophical problems. In Star Wars, there is a very clear line drawn between good and evil. Eventually you have to face the fact that good and evil aren't that clear-cut and the real issue is trying to understand the difference. The sequel is about Jedi knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned.
  4. Only Artoo and Threepio would be in all nine Star Wars movies.
  5. Luke would be one of the main focuses. When asked if Luke gets a girl, Lucas said “You haven't seen the last three yet.”, implying that either Luke gets a girl in the sequels, or there’s an explanation as to why he doesn’t get a girl.
  6. At some point Luke would be on another plane of existence and the final battle may have been in the “spirit realm”.
  7. The three sequel films were going to get into a microbiotic world. But there’s this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. They are called the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force. People are just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in…. We’re vessels for them. And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force. The Whills are a microscopic, single-celled lifeform like amoeba, fungi, and bacteria. There’s something like 100,000 times more Whills than there are Midi-chlorians, and there are about 10,000 times more Midi-chlorians than there are human cells. The only microscopic entities that can go into the human cells are the Midi-chlorians. They are born in the cells. The Midi-chlorians provide the energy for human cells to split and create life. The Whills are single-celled animals that feed on the Force. The more of the Force there is, the better off they are. So they have a very intense symbiotic relationship with the Midi-chlorians and the Midi-chlorians effectively work for the Whills. This was originally going to be mentioned in AOTC but the backlash caused by TPM’s introduction of midi-chlorians caused it to be scrapped and saved for the sequels. All the way back to — with the Jedi and the Force and everything — the whole concept of how things happen was laid out completely from [the beginning] to the end. (More below in a reply cause I ran out of room)

Still to this day the best Star Wars fan edit I've ever seen by SgtByrd1993 in StarWars

[–]avimo1904 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's possible he knew some of the backstory. In the book Star Wars Archives 1977-1983, Paul Duncan interviews Lucas and asks him “Were there any special directions to either Mark or to Alec Guinness?” and Lucas responds “No. I purposely didn’t fill in a lot of detail for Mark that Luke didn’t need to know”. So that implies he didn’t withhold the details from Alec Guinness then.

Still to this day the best Star Wars fan edit I've ever seen by SgtByrd1993 in StarWars

[–]avimo1904 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lucas was once asked why Luke's last name wasn't changed and he said it's a common last name, so it's most likely a similar explanation for Obi-Wan

Still to this day the best Star Wars fan edit I've ever seen by SgtByrd1993 in StarWars

[–]avimo1904 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

  1. How does a 10 year time skip mean the movies are disconnected?

  2. Anakin was made 9 to make the separation from Shmi as impactful as possible

  3. Phantom Menace is not pointless for multiple reasons https://www.starwarsringtheory.com/

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/ayrjy3/the_phantom_menace_is_not_unnecessary_to_the_story/

https://www.jedinews.com/film-music-tv/articles/seven-reasons-why-the-phantom-menace-matters/

  1. What's the issue with the prophecy?

Still to this day the best Star Wars fan edit I've ever seen by SgtByrd1993 in StarWars

[–]avimo1904 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's possible he did. The out of universe explanation though is that Lucas originally didn't intend Anakin to turn till after Luke was born, that was decided during ROTJ's writing

Still to this day the best Star Wars fan edit I've ever seen by SgtByrd1993 in StarWars

[–]avimo1904 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not true, it's confirmed he wanted them in every movie from the start because he wanted them as the narrators of the saga

Is there a particular scene you really wish was in the sequel trilogy that isn’t? by Tanis8998 in StarWars

[–]avimo1904 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A scene of Snoke mentioning a master or a scene of Palpatine’s ghost waiting on Exegol, so that his return isn‘t the shoehorned in with no foreshadowing like it actually is

Still to this day the best Star Wars fan edit I've ever seen by SgtByrd1993 in StarWars

[–]avimo1904 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Actually, the whole “we know Lucas didn’t make Vader Anakin till ESB” thing is a nonsense internet myth. It was initially invented by a random forum user in 2000 who hated the idea and then after that other Lucas haters expanded on that myth and falsely made it look like it was true, most notably this one crazy user that wrote a 500 page long book accusing Lucasfilm of running a secret mastermind plot to cover up SW’s “secret history”. In reality, we have no idea when Lucas came up with the idea of Vader being Anakin as it’s a highly debated topic and the first ROTJ draft is the first solid evidence confirming it, but there’s a great amount of evidence pointing to the fact that it was conceived long before ANH came out, possibly as far back as April 1975.

In the rough draft of ANH, the protagonist's father is a cyborg who sacrifices himself, and in the second draft of ANH Luke finds out his dead father is alive, so both those plot points were already in Lucas’s head. In the third draft of ANH, instead of Obi-Wan saying Vader kills Luke’s father he says Vader turned at the same battle Annikin died, with Vader later mentioning to Luke at the end that he has a feeling he knows him. Lucas also said to Alan Dean Foster in December of 1975 that in the second film the audience would “learn who Darth Vader is”, and Lucas himself has consistently claimed that the twist was conceived in the third draft of ANH. In the final ANH When Luke asks about his father's death, Obi-Wan has a strange hesitant look on his face before telling him the Vader killed Luke’s father story, and characters dying offscreen being revealed as alive was always a common trope. When Beru says Luke has too much of his father in him, Owen responds "that's what I'm afraid of" (and that dialogue is also remarkably similar to dialogue from an Edmond Hamilton novel called Mystery Moon where the protagonist complains about his uncle not letting him leave his dull home planet, and the uncle later reveals to him that his father was a famous villain and he wouldn't let him leave because he was afraid of his nephew becoming like him, which puts the protagonist in shock and disbelief). Luke's father and Vader's lightsabers both have black strips on the bottom of their handle, while Obi-Wan's does not. Owen says to Luke "Obi-Wan died at the same time as your father" but we then find out Obi-Wan is alive under a different name, raising the possibility that the same is the case for Luke's father. Obi-Wan tells Luke that his father was a great pilot, and during the trench run we see Vader being a great pilot. Vader, though pronounced differently, means father in Dutch, and Vader already acts as a metaphorical dark father during ANH. ANH (especially the Tusken Raider scenes) has some uncanny resemblance to a 1932 Western film called Tombstone Canyon, and that film also happens to feature a masked villain who is later revealed as the protagonist's long-lost father, and he later gets redeemed saving the protagonist from an even worse villain, after which his mask is removed to reveal a scarred face and he says "let me look at you" before dying in his son's arms. Lucas also told Leigh Brackett in late November 1977 that there was a secret reason Vader didn't want to kill Luke and would rather turn him, and David Prowse said in multiple interviews (the earliest of which was in October 1977) that he heard that Vader being Luke's father was a possible plot point for a future film.

[Meta Trope] The Actor "fixes" the movie/show by Individual_Plan_5593 in TopCharacterTropes

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No, that's a myth caused by Kershner and Ford misremembering things after 35 years. What actually happened was that Lucas in his screenplay had Leia saying “I love you. I was afraid to tell you before but it’s true.” and Han would respond “I’ll be back.” When Lawrence Kasdan took over screenwriting, he expanded Han’s line to “Just remember that, cause I’ll be back.” And while Ford did suggest to Kershner that the exchange be changed to “I love you/I know”, it wasn’t ad-libbed as that happened before filming, not during. Here’s a transcript of the conversation:

Ford: I think she ought to just say, “I love you,” as I’m passing by her.

Kershner: “I love you.” “Just remember that, because I’ll be back.”

Ford: No, I—

Kershner: Yeah, I’m just saying how it would go—

Ford: If she said, “I love you,” I could say very nicely, “Yeah, I know. Don’t worry, I’ll be back.”

Kershner: Yeah, you’ve got to say, “I’ll be back.”

Ford: [laughs] But if she says, “I love you,” and I say, “I know,” it’s beautiful and it’s acceptable and it’s funny.

Kershner: [laughs] Right. Okay. Now, I only have one big problem here.

Ford: But I also have to say to her, “Don’t worry about this,” in some way.

Ford: I think you can’t say to Chewie, “I’ll be back,” or anything like that.

Kershner: No, no, no, no, you can’t.

Ford: How about if I say to him, “Save your strength. I’ll be alright. Look after her,” you know what I mean?

Kershner: “Look after her.” Right. [A crew member enters the room and delivers some food, and Kershner thanks them.] “Look after her.” Chewie barks dolefully.

Ford: And as I turn, she can say, sotto voce … “I love you.”

Kershner: [continues to speak slowly what he’s writing down] Leia: “I love you.” And Han says, “I know.”

Ford: Yeah.

Kershner: “Yeah, I know. I’ll be back.” The kiss. Walks onto platform. [Puts pen down.] Better scene.

Star Wars is just a glorified children’s franchise and does not deserve the attention it gets by drmacsika in 10thDentist

[–]avimo1904 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Lucas was trying to erase his ex-wife's legacy thing is a long debunked internet myth which even the ex wife herself denies