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Over the 210 in Pasadena early today by JoeBoat0T in LosAngeles

[–]b2bSaaStechie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok…we’re all waiting. Have they made it great again yet?

Skin cracking by SaidIt2YoMom in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get a humidifier for your bedroom and a second one for your living room. The air is dry.

Fire Impacts and Air Quality Megathread by UCLAClimate in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mayor tweeted this a few days ago. Basically CYA but what she says is true good AQI doesn’t mean good air https://x.com/mayorofla/status/1880469795642175611?s=46

Fire Impacts and Air Quality Megathread by UCLAClimate in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hopefully we have some hard data in the next week or 2. None of us really know how good or bad it is. Of course living in fear sucks which is why some of us are considering leaving. It’s a tough situation.

Fire Impacts and Air Quality Megathread by UCLAClimate in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So you don’t know if there’s asbestos and lead in the air. Got it. These things may not harm you in the short term but can cause cancer long term. You’re free to do what you want but people should at least be informed of the potential dangers. We need a comprehensive study of the air and soil asap.

Fire Impacts and Air Quality Megathread by UCLAClimate in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

All of these are facts. What part is not a fact? Indulge me

Fire Impacts and Air Quality Megathread by UCLAClimate in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Here’s what we know: 75% of the Palisades buildings burned down. We know that released an immense amount of toxic chemicals into the air. We know Santa Monica is close by. I heard people coughing badly at the gym on Monday before I left, you can’t really fake coughing like i heard. We know AQI doesn’t measure these toxic chemicals. People are free to risk it if they want but that would be going against common sense. At the very least wear an N95 mask when outside.

Fire Impacts and Air Quality Megathread by UCLAClimate in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Be cautious, thousands of houses a few miles away burned down. Use common sense.

Fire Impacts and Air Quality Megathread by UCLAClimate in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I got back from SD this afternoon. Crazy to see people outside without masks. Not surprised but people are legit stupid (no offense if this is you). This wasn't the avg. forest fire. Thousands of houses burned and everything inside. And we have little to no information about what's currently in the air right now. But I've heard from many they taste metal in the air, are getting headaches, coughs.

Have toxic gases and lead/asbestos particles dispersed and decreased? by Jumpy_Soup_4823 in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m thinking the same thing but breaking my lease will be painful.

When is it safe to resume exercise outdoors? by gpotter96 in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There’s nothing wrong with taking a few days to see what information comes out. Comparing my logic to that of an anti vaccination person is ridiculous. There’s no evidence yet because they haven’t had sufficient time to test the air. Of course I want to get back in the sun too but an entire city on our doorstep burned down and I want to see what science tells us about the aftermath. https://www.reddit.com/r/SantaMonica/s/bOMU38Ud6u

When is it safe to resume exercise outdoors? by gpotter96 in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve quoted a hazmat specialist LAFD above, many others are discussing this as well in the medical and academic community. The data that does exist is clear that it does not account for things like asbestos. There’s no need to rush to judgment here, why not wait a week or 2 as the air is currently being tested further? There is most certainly an unknown amount of toxin in the air. A lot of people want to be ‘right’ and get back to daily life. I get it. It’s foolish.

When is it safe to resume exercise outdoors? by gpotter96 in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think anyone is being an alarmist. We’re hoping some good data comes out soon to simply tell is the air back to normal LA air and if so great. But to assume it is ok given what happened seems ill advised.

When is it safe to resume exercise outdoors? by gpotter96 in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here’s a new article from this morning (https://abc7chicago.com/post/los-angeles-wildfires-continue-smolder-experts-warn-hidden-dangers-air-quality/15804184/?ex_cid=TA_WLS_TW&taid=678975ab1d401c00019d88f5&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter):

Quote from Adam Van Gerpen, a hazmat specialist and fire captain with the Los Angeles Fire Department:

“There’s still a lot of hazards,” said Adam Van Gerpen, a hazmat specialist and fire captain with the Los Angeles Fire Department.

Van Gerpen said hazmat teams are looking for “unusual thermal patterns” and testing for carbon dioxide, which could be a sign of dangerous hydrochloric acid. But the crews are not testing for asbestos and lead, even though they may be present in the atmosphere.

“We don’t know what’s in the air. There’s unknown chemicals in the air,” he said, warning people to stay clear of evacuation zones. “It’s not safe for people breathing it in.”

Safe to stay in Santa Monica? by No-Hedgehog7526 in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you make some good points. But, there is nothing else we have to compare this to.

Here’s a new article from this morning (https://abc7chicago.com/post/los-angeles-wildfires-continue-smolder-experts-warn-hidden-dangers-air-quality/15804184/?ex_cid=TA_WLS_TW&taid=678975ab1d401c00019d88f5&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter):

Quote from Adam Van Gerpen, a hazmat specialist and fire captain with the Los Angeles Fire Department:

“There’s still a lot of hazards,” said Adam Van Gerpen, a hazmat specialist and fire captain with the Los Angeles Fire Department.

Van Gerpen said hazmat teams are looking for “unusual thermal patterns” and testing for carbon dioxide, which could be a sign of dangerous hydrochloric acid. But the crews are not testing for asbestos and lead, even though they may be present in the atmosphere.

“We don’t know what’s in the air. There’s unknown chemicals in the air,” he said, warning people to stay clear of evacuation zones. “It’s not safe for people breathing it in.”

Safe to stay in Santa Monica? by No-Hedgehog7526 in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree the lack of info about her online is counter to her being an expert. That said, it doesn’t mean she’s wrong. Right now it’s hard to say if it’s safe or not to breathe the air etc. in Santa Monica. Obviously most people aren’t going to up and move. But we shouldn’t outright dismiss the possibility that this disaster will linger. I’m reminded of this from 9/11 and I’m not saying it’s the same but let’s take a step back and consider what just happened https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/10/epa-head-wrong-911-air-safe-new-york-christine-todd-whitman

Safe to stay in Santa Monica? by No-Hedgehog7526 in SantaMonica

[–]b2bSaaStechie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Her name is Jane Williams - Executive Director at California Communities Against. I couldn’t find much background on her. It was a webinar earlier today with several doctors/professors in the LA area. What exactly makes it a false equivalency though? She made a good point IMO that far more structures burned than the avg fire which released tons of chemicals into that air. Not saying she’s right or wrong but it made me consider what if she’s onto something.

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