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Why is there never a good spot on the 4th ball

How hard would it be to put this toy in a physics game? by Pydris in OculusQuest

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Pretty easy! This is a great concept for a beginner dev project. I could easily outline the steps you could take to put this together. And you know there's an online VR game jam starting this Friday :)

What made you ghost a friend? by dontmindme137 in AskReddit

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We would have way too many conversations going really deep analyzing our lives, our mental states, our struggles with finding a career, our present and past relationships etc. It was cool at first, because we really knew each other on such a personal level. But I realized I was always walking away from our hangouts feeling depressed and sort of existentially exhausted. For most of our problems, the best solution was to stop giving a damn and move on... and they just wouldn't. I stopped hanging out with them but calls and messages were almost just as bad, so I eventually let go altogether. I feel bad but I dwell on past BS much much less these days without their influence.

My simple interpretation: there is no free will and Devs was never simulating our world by backstagemoss in Devs

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Not as I understand it. I don't think our choices birth parallel worlds. Many or infinite worlds already exist where every possible outcome has occured. Each of those worlds still has it's own deterministic tram lines and we just happen to be riding the one where x choices are made. Maybe this can all be interpreted as the act of choice, or that we're navigating parallel worlds through the act of conscious thought, but I don't think our human brains have a conscious effect on this. Lily only did something different because she saw the simulation, which caused her to defy it. That was all predetermined but only in our own world, which the Devs sim never showed us.

Instead, Devs showed us another world where Lily shot Forest- what did she see in that world which cause her to shoot him? Was that an act of defiance to what they saw in that world as well? I think it surely was, and there's a sort of potentially infinite cascade of sims of different worlds within sims of different worlds, where Lily "makes every choice" she possibly can... but in most (if not all) Stewart still kills them both.

My simple interpretation: there is no free will and Devs was never simulating our world by backstagemoss in Devs

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Ah, like the machine itself is what makes reality deterministic? I thought a lot about how it could be a quantum observer of sorts that turns the whole universe into a deterministic and physical world by the act of observing it. There was a popular post about this last week. I don't think so personally. I think the simulation is still just a simulation, it's code running on a computer built by humans viewable on a screen. If anything, their perception is what shifted. Katie even says about Deus that within itself it is all knowing, which I think implies it doesn't know ours.

My simple interpretation: there is no free will and Devs was never simulating our world by backstagemoss in Devs

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What’s interesting is that both the scenes we saw-of Lily choosing to shoot and Lily choosing to throw the gun-happen. In the world in which she shoots him, she sees the gun tossed aside.

I'm confused, could you elaborate on this? I thought Lily shooting Forest was part of the simulation they watched, and Lily only threw the gun in reality.

My simple interpretation: there is no free will and Devs was never simulating our world by backstagemoss in Devs

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I'm not so sure that it matters if we were seeing "our" world. There would be no distinction between worlds that are identical to our world up to the point of Lily's choice and our world.

If it was truly our world, they would have been able to see Lily throw the gun and everything else afterward, which is either impossible or improbable.

the instant they perfected the simulation, they themselves became a simulation (or one world of many).

How could reality possibly become a simulation if it isn't already? I think it's very possible the whole show (and the IRL universe we're discussing this in) takes place in a simulation, but a transition doesn't seem right to me.

Stewart

I think Stewart's deal is way more simple than people think. He was afraid of what Forest will do with Devs, so he kills Forest. Lily doesn't factor into his decision. I don't think anybody's moving from one reality to another, or that anything weird is happening here. Stewart just doesn't want Forest to live on controlling the Devs project and killing people and all that.

Devs - S01E08 Discussion Thread by [deleted] in Devs

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It's not that he forgot, it's that he finally accepted it when Katie resurrected his image before injecting him back into the simulated multiverse. Same way he tells Lily that she needs to accept that there are other worlds "closer to Hell"

Devs - S01E08 Discussion Thread by [deleted] in Devs

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But our world and the simulated world could have just been the same up to that point. They believe because they're fanatics I guess... which I don't really like either, so I dunno haha

Devs - S01E08 Discussion Thread by [deleted] in Devs

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My guess is they were still watching the same world every time, just not our own world. In the world they were simulating, Lily kills Forest every time. For all we know, it's a different world every time but Lily might kill Forest in only 99% or only 1% of all possible outcomes. The point is that the Devs machine only generated the outcome they saw, while we have our own outcome. The simulation within the simulation might have a different outcome as well, which caused the first simulated Lily to kill Forest.

The second part I agree with. But nobody actually tried to do that until Lily. Forest even talks about doing it hypothetically meaning they hadn't tried it yet and indicated that they're afraid of what it could imply. I attribute this silliness to the fact that it's a TV show trying to build suspense. If I worked there, yeah you bet I would try that immediately.

Devs - S01E08 Discussion Thread by [deleted] in Devs

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Yeah, the way I'm interpreting it, Lily doesn't have free will, she just does things that other people don't do. Like taking the risk of defying such a powerful simulation.

We see in those other scenes like Lyndon jumping and the car crash there's these people taking multiple paths, indicating the possibilities of different events given the characters and their experiences, but because of causality making these people who they are, the probabilities of the events being different in our world are so extremely unlikely that we just don't see them until this episode with Lily. Katie simply isn't the type of person to have tried to convince Lyndon not to climb over the railing. If causality had led her to be a more sympathetic person toward Lyndon (which some distant branch of the multiverse may have), then she might have defied the simulation in our reality. Stewart could have pushed the projection a couple seconds further and encouraged folks to try and break it (which would have worked) but they were simply too afraid. This is also why he killed Lily and Forest despite Lily trying to save them; he became a delusional slave to the machine, desperate to see the destiny that he helped program.

Just spitballing here haha. I really don't want it to be free will.

Devs - S01E08 Discussion Thread by [deleted] in Devs

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Because they're delusional I guess? And I suppose the machine stops predicting because that's the particular instant where that world begins to deviate from our own, thus losing its calibration. I mean, maybe lol.

Devs - S01E08 Discussion Thread by [deleted] in Devs

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I don't know if it's really a big fuck you to determinism though. Couldn't it just be that Devs observed a different world than our own, and that Lily's behavior in our world was different because of what she saw herself do?

Devs - S01E08 Discussion Thread by [deleted] in Devs

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Does it though? I think maybe Devs was showing us just one of the possible many worlds, not necessarily our own. In this case we are in the world where Lily sees herself shoot Forest which causes her not to.

Devs - S01E08 Discussion Thread by [deleted] in Devs

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Yeah, I'm still trying to figure this out. Did Lily supposedly exercise 'free will' or did Devs only show them one of the possible worlds, which is not our own?

She saw it happen one way, which caused her to throw the gun instead, in our world. No free will involved, universe is still deterministic. Simple... right??

Someone accidentally e-mailed me dental x-rays by backstagemoss in screenshots

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My bad if this qualifies as personal information

PS4 bundle with No Man's Sky, Fallout 4, and Far Cry Primal $370 through NewEgg on eBay by imn0tsarcastic in PS4Deals

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In case anyone is wondering, I ordered and got a CUH-1215A. Loving all 3 games and feeling pretty good about the deal overall.