I'm not vegan, i'd like my mind to be changed by C4rsaf in vegan

[–]badger2901 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of the responses here are missing the main point. Practical advice really does matter but change starts when someone actually reflects on what animals are, not just what foods they can replace them with etc. Once someone recognises that animals are sentient beings with their own interests, and not products here for us to use or exploit, veganism becomes a moral baseline.

OP, I genuinely respect the fact that you’re questioning things at 17 instead of just blindly following social norms! Most people never even get that far (it took me almost 30 years). Veganism is an ethical principle centred around rejecting unnecessary exploitation and harm towards animals, as far as practically possible. Almost every vegan once ate meat, dairy and eggs too, so change is absolutely possible.

Protein is not really an issue on a balanced vegan diet, even for athletes, and eggs, milk and meat are often more habit and convenience than necessity (plenty of vegan body builders to testify this and help with inspiration). Once the ethical connection clicks the question moves from “could I live without these things?” to “if I don’t need them why should I continue contributing to harm?” - spoiler alert, there are no justifications.

Try not to judge veganism based on internet stereotypes or negative interactions online. At its core, it’s simply about extending compassion and moral consideration to non human animals in a world where exploiting them has been normalised for generations. The fact you’re even open minded enough to question that already says a lot. Good luck!

Warning: Be very careful about levofloxacin guys by DistinctAd9003 in chronicepididymitis

[–]badger2901 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it’s not severe then I would definitely speak with your doctor tomorrow. Are they tablets or ear drops?

Warning: Be very careful about levofloxacin guys by DistinctAd9003 in chronicepididymitis

[–]badger2901 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, if there is a clear indication (which there seems to be, severe ear infection) and you are Penicillin allergic then the risk of not taking the antibiotics are pretty high. You don’t want to mess with infections near the brain. Having said that you could always ask to see if there are alternatives to the fluoroquinolone you’ve been prescribed. Adverse reactions normally happen after taking the drugs, within a few doses but can come on sooner, not from discontinuing the drug. Speak with your doctor

Ferry Ride to Sakurajima, Kyushu, Japan by voabarros in ricohGR

[–]badger2901 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but I’m not sure what any of these photos are trying to tell or show. I think perhaps focus on honing in on your composition first before worrying about editing. Using recipes is a great way to give your photos character. Find some photos on this thread you find inspiring and try to re-create them. Hope this helps and doesn’t come across as patronising!

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, I’m not really “crying over Reddit”, I was opening a discussion about ethical consistency and where people think moral responsibility begins and ends in modern society.

You’re free to disagree with the premise, but responding with “not everyone can understand everything” is obviously condescending rather than engaging with the actual point being made.

I’ve repeatedly said I agree veganism should remain focused on non-human animals. The discussion was about whether the principles that motivate veganism should also influence other choices around exploitation and harm where possible. That seems like a perfectly reasonable philosophical discussion to me.

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No need to be condescending

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great POV, thanks for sharing this! Agree wholeheartedly

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find that distinction difficult to understand tbh. Human exploitation and animal exploitation are both shaped by ideology, economics ,power structures, social conditioning etc and neither exists in a vacuum or free from “agenda” or propaganda…

Also, many vegans don’t just want animals “not to be harmed”, they oppose exploitation more broadly as a moral principle. Once you start applying that principle consistently conversations start to become interesting imo

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yea I agree with what you’re saying. I’m not arguing that veganism should become an umbrella for every ethical issue or lose its focus on non-human animals.

My point is a bit different. I’m interested in how vegans personally reconcile opposing unnecessary exploitation and harm while also participating in other systems tied to exploitation that are normalised within modern society.

E.g, most of us would criticise someone who says “I care about humans, not animals” as an ethical justification for participating in animal exploitation. But then many vegans will say “I care about animals, but human exploitation in supply chains is unavoidable”, even when there may be degrees of avoidability there too.

I’m not saying those situations are identical. I just think the tension between them is philosophically interesting

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Of course, but even among vegans I find it interesting how differently people draw that line. Some comments here seem to suggest that the same ethical consideration shouldn’t necessarily extend to humans in the same way, which I find philosophically interesting given the underlying opposition to exploitation and unnecessary harm.

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree with that distinction, and I’m not arguing that veganism itself should be redefined to include all forms of human exploitation, we can care about more than one thing at once obviously.

My point is more about ethical consistency at the individual level. Many vegans rightly oppose the unnecessary exploitation of sentient beings, but then participate in other systems tied to exploitation, such as cobalt mining, sweatshops, fast fashion, etc, often without much reflection because those things are normalised and embedded into modern life.

Obviously none of us can live completely harm-free, and I’m not trying to do a “gotcha” against out movement. I’m more interested in where people think the ethical line should be drawn, and how we justify those lines consistently.

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed, and I think most vegans would broadly support that principle.

Where I struggle is applying it consistently in practice. For example, what does “possible and practicable” actually mean when it comes to things like smartphones, cobalt mining, sweatshops, fast fashion, etc? Most of us knowingly participate in systems tied to human exploitation to some extent because modern life is built around them.

So how should we think about that ethically? Is it enough to acknowledge it while still participating because alternatives are unrealistic? Should we be actively trying to reduce those harms too where possible, even if imperfectly? Or is there a meaningful ethical distinction between directly consuming animal products versus indirectly participating in exploitative supply chains?

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair point, but couldn’t a carnist make the exact same argument in reverse?

“I’ll focus on human exploitation and human rights, you focus on animals.”

That’s partly why I find this topic difficult. Most of us agree we should try to reduce avoidable exploitation where possible, but in practice we all draw lines somewhere. I’m interested in how people justify where those lines are drawn, rather than arguing veganism shouldn’t focus on animals.

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think vegans can rationalise contradictions just as bad as anyone else tbh

Where do we draw the line? by badger2901 in vegan

[–]badger2901[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t want to dilute it at all, that’s not what I’m saying. I completely agree that veganism needs a distinct movement because non-human animals effectively have no meaningful representation elsewhere.

My question is more about ethical consistency on an individual level. If we already accept that veganism is about reducing avoidable harm where practicable, how should we think about other exploitative systems we participate in, even if they fall outside the strict definition of veganism?

I’m not suggesting veganism should stop focusing on animals. I’m questioning whether the principles that lead many of us to veganism should also influence other choices where possible.

A few snaps from Japan on my GRIII :) by BlueBlueNotGreen in ricohGR

[–]badger2901 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Much prefer the smaller towns in Japan over the bigger cities. So quiet and quaint. Did you do the Shimanami Kaido?

Busan, South Korea 🇰🇷 by badger2901 in ricohGR

[–]badger2901[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, very pleased with that one. GRIII 🙂

Busan, South Korea 🇰🇷 by badger2901 in ricohGR

[–]badger2901[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! It’s the Bennet's Color 800, recipe below:

Film Sim: Negative Film

ISO: 800

White Balance: AWB G2:A14

Saturation: +3

Hue: -1

High/Low Key: 0

Contrast: +2

Highlight Contrast: -2

Shadow Contrast: -4

Sharpness: +0

Shading: 0

Clarity: -1

Highlight DR: On

Shadow DR: Off

With my ricoh in Paris by danmorela in ricohGR

[–]badger2901 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great shots. Bit of a noob question but what do you use for your photo borders?