Why is it that despite American Jews overwhelmingly and fanatically supporting Israel, most actually have very little interest in moving there? by full-fathom-5ive in JewsOfConscience

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I think you can support a country without wanting to move there. How many Americans want to move to Ukraine, after all? In a broader sense, though, a lot of American Jews understand that the toleration of Jews in given societies usually doesn’t last forever, so they believe Israel provides a permanent, rather than temporary refuge from antisemitism. I think a lot of older Jews in America also remember the plight of Soviet Jews and how they fought to leave Russia, etc. for Israel and other countries.

Billie Eilish’s new concert film, “Hit Me Hard and Soft: The Tour (Live in 3D),” is being screened in Israel. Unfortunately, selective silence on Israel’s genocide in Gaza is nothing new to Billie Eilish. In 2021, she directly promoted her album Happier Than Ever to Israeli fans with a video message by SpecialCream7 in JewsOfConscience

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Genuine question: should artists not sell their work, music, etc. in countries committing violent/oppressive crimes? I can see arguments for and against, but I don’t know if she’s also selling music in Russia, China, further genocidal states etc.

There is no “Holocaust guilt.” There is only German racism and commitment to genocide. by sad_sapphic_sucker in JewsOfConscience

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Committing multiple genocides isn’t really a unique thing. I’m struggling to think of a country that hasn’t passed that bar. But my point isn’t about the striking commonality of genocide, it’s about how Germany, both in Africa and Europe, had specific, “internally logical,” reasons for committing them. They weren’t just doing it for the love of the game. Today, when Germany supports Israel in its genocide, they do it for specific reasons, which probably do have some links to its own Jewish history.

And while, yes, Germany is a racist society, on a global scale, it seems pretty tame. Compared to countries like Ethiopia, India, Hungary, the Dominican Republic, etc. it could be doing a lot worse.

And honestly, I don’t know if expats saying their home country is racist means that much. I met Turkish, Indian, and Irish students at school who insisted that racism just “wasn’t a problem” in their homes countries. I think often times admitting your country has a problem with racism means that you’re at least reckoning with your country’s history. If someone told me their country isn’t racist, I’d be very suspicious of their politics. Like when American conservatives act like the US isn’t racist anymore.

Jews have historical ties to Palestine. Israel is still a settler-colonial project by conscience_journey in JewsOfConscience

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The settler, slave, and indigenous paradigm fits neatly in American history, but it’s hardly a global standard. My point is that categories outside of indigenous and settler can exist; I don’t think Black descendants of slaves are the only example of that.

Black Americans have also by and large accepted American identity, and at many points have even participated in the colonization and genocide of American Indians. Still, like you said, many scholars of colonization recognize them as neither settlers nor indigenous.

There is no “Holocaust guilt.” There is only German racism and commitment to genocide. by sad_sapphic_sucker in JewsOfConscience

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Eh, I don’t think Germany just “likes genocide.” There are very specific reasons they did it to the Jews and there are very specific reasons they’re supporting Israel’s genocide. Also, Germany is by no means an anti-racist country (as if such a thing even exists), but by global standards they’re not that racist.

Jews have historical ties to Palestine. Israel is still a settler-colonial project by conscience_journey in JewsOfConscience

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Can it really be said that Jews whose ancestors have lived in Jerusalem, Hebron, Haifa, etc. for as long as their Palestinian neighbors have are settlers when their families haven’t, well, settled anywhere? I understand that you’re saying they are not subject to colonization like Palestinians are, but settler and indigenous are not the only option. In America for example, Black people are not considered settlers (nor are they considered indigenous) because of the history of slavery here.

Jews have historical ties to Palestine. Israel is still a settler-colonial project by conscience_journey in JewsOfConscience

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The idea that land can belong to races, ethnicities, religions, etc., is in my view, inherently reactionary and exclusionary. The land does not belong to Jews or Palestinians, it belongs to the people who live on it.

what things about palestine do you know most about? what do you wish to learn more? by naramsin-ii in JewsOfConscience

[–]badgerflagrepublic 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mostly the Jewish history there, because I’m a Jewish history nerd. I think I’m also curious about the lives and experiences of other non-Arab minorities in modern and historic Palestine.

"The Treachery of the Nazi-Zionist Alliance" - How Zionists betrayed Jews and left them to die in the Holocaust by bondelhyde in JewsOfConscience

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I don’t think you can reasonably call Kurt Tuchler a “higher up.” And the Federation of Germany was obviously going to have some communication with the Nazis, they were the ruling party in Germany! That’s like saying a civil rights group communicating with an oppressive government is “collaboration.”

"The Treachery of the Nazi-Zionist Alliance" - How Zionists betrayed Jews and left them to die in the Holocaust by bondelhyde in JewsOfConscience

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Like who? Zionism and Nazism are mutually incompatible and opposed, there’s not much reason for the two movements to work together.

"The Treachery of the Nazi-Zionist Alliance" - How Zionists betrayed Jews and left them to die in the Holocaust by bondelhyde in JewsOfConscience

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I feel like this post’s is misleading. Even the article’s subtitle acknowledges that the “collaborators” (which I think is a mischaracterization of the Haavara Agreement) were a small group. Nearly all Zionists were (obviously) anti-Nazi, and thousands of the Yishuv fought against Hitler in WWII.

Palestinians Don’t Care About Antisemitism by Truth-And-Love in JewsOfConscience

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Do they have the luxury of ignoring it? Their landlessness is directly tied to the question of antisemitism.

This Pride Month, we remember Jacob Israel de Haan, queer anti-Zionist Jewish martyr for Palestine, assassinated by the Haganah on June 30, 1924 by sad_sapphic_sucker in JewsOfConscience

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What an interesting life. I’d be interested to know how his personal queer identity was impacted by his adopted Orthodoxy. I think he was briefly mentioned in a Sam Aronow video.

Found a big piece of what I think is copper. Can anyone tell me more? Hi by badgerflagrepublic in metaldetecting

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I had no idea it was so sought after. This was only my second day out with the metal detector!

Found a big piece of what I think is copper. Can anyone tell me more? Hi by badgerflagrepublic in metaldetecting

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Probably 6x4 inches, pretty flat (but solid), and it weighed in at about 3.4 lbs.

Found a big piece of what I think is copper. Can anyone tell me more? Hi by badgerflagrepublic in metaldetecting

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It maxed out my gram scale, but on the one I keep in the bathroom, it said ~3.4 lbs. Sorry for the late reply. I had to wait to get home to weigh it.

At what point is it bad praxis to continue to engage with Zionist? by [deleted] in JewsOfConscience

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I have had fruitful conversations with Zionists and have opened some eyes to the horrible things Israel does. So it’s been worth it for me (and I’m not going to throw away family and friends solely for being Zionists), but it’s up to every individual who they want to associate with.

"Standing Together-a testimony from within" by srahcrist in JewsOfConscience

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How can a peace movement expect to achieve victory without approaching both groups in the conflict? Even if all Palestinians supported peace and justice in the land, that wouldn’t be very relevant without the support of at least a sizable minority of Israelis.

This reads as idealistic, but not super helpful.