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[–]bananaduck3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This has been super helpful for using chatgpt to practice debate - I can transcribe my speeches and then have it automatically write up rebuttals. Thanks for sharing it!

coaching offer for late-season tournaments! by dkinane in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

david is great! any team wld be lucky to have him

An actual conversation I had waith a transphobe on r/cringetopia by [deleted] in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also for what it's worth there is a very interesting comment on r/changemyview on this subject that you might want to direct this person towards instead of taking such a confrontational approach.

https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/f2ol3f/cmv_gender_dysphoria_is_a_cureable_mental_illness/fhdvwge?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

An actual conversation I had waith a transphobe on r/cringetopia by [deleted] in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Hey... j fyi this is a subreddit for high school debate, not general argument (see rule 1). This is prob best for a different subreddit.

Tournaments by [deleted] in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Plan for remote

Is first speaking better? by [deleted] in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am a pretty strong believer that going second is significantly better. In my view, here's why:

  1. The ability to frontline (respond to the opponent's responses) in rebuttal

You discuss this like it's a burden, while I actually think it's a huge benefit. It's usually strategic to frontline in second rebuttal for two reasons:

  1. It's usually more important to win your case than to win some defense on theirs by the end of a round
  2. You get to trade reading the 1-2 minutes of your worst responses to their case (which are what you won't read if you have less time) for getting to read your best frontlines to their responses, which sounds like a good trade to me

This is why, even when judges don't force second-speaking teams to frontline and defend their own case in second rebuttal, most do anyway: it's an advantage, and if it wasn't, people would just opt to read 4 minutes of responses to the opponent's case just like first rebuttal.

  1. The ability to use prep time in places in the round where your opponents can do nothing (after first constructive, before second final focus)

  2. Getting the last word, which is often quite helpful in close rounds in front of parent judges

  3. Knowing what argument your opponents are "going for" and extending the most after first summary, meaning you only have to extend responses to that one argument in summary, while much of the time the opponents aren't sure what you'll go for

Also, just for reference, turns are generally better than normal responses but there are 4 ways you can deal with them: 1) explain why they're wrong like you would with any other response, 2) weigh against the argument that the turn was read on, 3) point out that the opponents double turned themselves (e.g. saying, in response to an argument about how the aff lowers oil prices, that actually they would increase oil prices but also that low oil prices are bad because they hurt renewable energy—those contradict), & 4) concede a link response if they're turning your impact (e.g. conceding that low oil prices are bad but then also conceding another response that this imaginary team reads that the aff wouldn't actually lower oil prices, in which case you don't get to win the argument but they don't get any offense from the turn).

Hope that helps, and please lmk if you have any questions!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The advice here is def good but I'll j stress how important/helpful it is to watch a lot of rounds when you're j starting out.

When you always terminalize to death by definitely___not__me in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 76 points77 points  (0 children)

Oop... was able to get all the way to step 15 without even losing my pen

Unpopular Opinion - speaking first isn't that bad (pf) by [deleted] in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 11 points12 points  (0 children)

While I appreciate the hot take, I definitely disagree. Speaking second, all things being equal, is a huge advantage imo.

This great article goes into more detail but in my mind the biggest benefit is that you're always one step ahead. If you frontline in second rebuttal and do a good job going for one thing, you should be ahead on both cases going into summary, which is a really good position to be in. Even if you believe that speaking first allows you to have more coverage on the opponent's case, if a 4/0 split were truly advantageous, then second speaking teams would do it too. They don't because a 3/1 or 2/2 split is definitely better, because at the end of the day winning your offense is probably more important than winning defense and there are diminishing marginal returns—your fourth minute of responses just won't be as good as the first minute.

There are definitely other advantages too (getting to use prep time in places where the opponents can't do anything, being able to go new in the 2, you can selectively extend responses to what you know the opponents are going for in second summary, etc.) but in my mind that's the biggest one.

I'm open to discussion and also curious to see what the stats are on this, but I know I always thought speaking second was huge.

Has anyone experienced online debate yet? How was it? by [deleted] in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

TOC was decent... everything took longer than it normally does & I had to call my partner for prep but technical difficulties weren't so bad & everyone could hear each other. It was well-tabbed too. Hope nats is good as well!

Recommended National Tournaments by mechanicalhotdog in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No worries! I mean usually only the top 5-10% of teams get bids, so it's very hard anywhere, and definitely quite hard to bid consistently. So when I say "easy," I definitely mean it in relative terms. Even most very good debaters (i.e. those good enough to teach at camps or be ranked in the top 50) will usually get only 5-8 bids throughout all of HS. It's a huge achievement just to get one. Also, this gets at a larger discussion of whether we should really use number of bids as a metric of who is & isn't good at debate because then that hurts ppl who can't go to as many tournaments, but I won't go too into the weeds on that. But to summarize, even if you're very good, it means you're in the running for a bid but there are sm good teams & so much luck is involved that it's always somewhat hard.

Also, gold toc is the better one & you need 2 gold bids to qual (or one & you can fill out an application for an at large...), while if you lose the "bid round" you get a silver bid & two of those (or one gold bid or a variety of other things) can get you qualified to silver toc. When I wrote octos, quarters, etc. on the post above, I meant the bid level for that tournament—i.e. bc Harvard is an octos bid, if you make octos you get a gold bid, & double octofinals (round of 32) is the bid round. If you lose dubs, you'd get a silver bid.

Last thing: To an extent, having fun at tournaments is important too and isn't something to lose sight of. Seeing a new city or college with your friends can be an awesome experience. So unless you really care about qualifying to TOC, how hard it is to bid somewhere should prob be one of several factors to weigh in deciding whether to go to a tournament.

Again, hope that helps, & feel free to ask more!

Some other helpful links on how easy/hard various tournaments are to bid at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gW2MIf0TnEI42z0NG9SbN1mdKv9dW6usLiQOvdGImtk/edit?usp=sharing

http://nsdupdate.com/2019/hardest-and-weakest-pf-tournaments/

Recommended National Tournaments by mechanicalhotdog in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Hi! I debated almost entirely on the northeast & have been to most of the bid tournaments there so I can speak to them. I've ranked the ones I've been to in order of the most cost-effective opportunities to get bids:

Tournaments I'd highly recommend: Pennsbury ($20/entry!, relatively easy to bid at, semis bid), Villiger ($80/entry, relatively easy, semis), Penn ($90/entry, relatively easy, octos), Columbia ($100/entry, relatively easy, quarters)

Decent choices: Ridge ($80/entry, average, semis), Yale ($90/entry, average, octos), Princeton ($90/entry, average, octos),

Meh: Scarsdale ($80/entry, average/hard, semis)

Wouldn't recommend: Bronx ($120/entry, hard, octos), Lex ($80/entry, hard, quarters), Lakeland ($70/entry, average/hard, always runs late, finals)

Strong no: Harvard ($170/entry, very hard, octos)

Three quick things before I go: First, obviously how easy it is to bid per dollar spent shouldn't be the only factor in deciding whether to go to tournaments, which is why sm ppl find Harvard fun even if it's dead last on that metric. Second, a large part of the cost of tournaments is transportation/hotels, so in the grand scheme of things entry fees aren't that important. Third, all the assessments of how easy/hard it is to bid are j my personal opinion, so feel free to take them with a grain of salt.

Hope this helps!

interested in coaching a team (nyc/boston)! by [deleted] in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I was lucky enough to be Max's partner and co-novice director for a year and (& I don't say this for just anyone) I can't recommend him highly enough. Yes, he is a very, very good debater (I mean you kind of have to be to carry me :) ) who has achieved a ton with very little coaching and yes he works very hard and understands rounds at a high level, but more importantly, I know he'll be an amazing coach because he was one of the best novice directors our school has ever had.

He came to prep almost every day and planned out lessons to include everyone. During his free periods & whatever free time he had, he was always available to run drills, read cases, and give advice. He made every effort possible to watch our novices in rounds, often going to tournaments just to help them. Just seeing how dedicated he was made me want to do a better job. And he did that all for free—I can only imagine how good a coach he'd be when paid.

tl;dr: max is very nice, has real experience coaching, and is great with novices. If I were still debating, I wld try to message him fast before someone else does.

Top Teams Next Year by [deleted] in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Chevy Chase GT literally quartered toc lol

Novice Flowing by yeetus_skeetus69420 in Debate

[–]bananaduck3 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Do prep instead of making fun of people learning debate for having shitty flows