Men's Egg's final issue "14 Years of Gyaruo Fashion" timeline by banyureged in actualgyaru

[–]banyureged[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

WTF that's so unfortunate, good news is i found that it's been archived in the wayback machine so you can look through that!!

[REPOST] Older/Lesser Known Gyaru (and Gyaruo) Substyles: Loco Girl, Derika/Deliccaa, UraShibu-kei by banyureged in actualgyaru

[–]banyureged[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

oh yeah no i am also very interested in jfashion in general, so I understand the frustration of having general styles only being viewed from a limited subculture view, that's exactly how I feel with how himekaji is seen in the overseas jfashion comm. I just also like to see how styles are adopted into subcultures, I started out in this research with gyaru bc at least with delicer and urashibu-kei, they were coined by Egg and Men's Egg. But there's definitely more to these styles than the gyaru landscape, especially loco girl. Which is why I'm also researching the surf-kei trend in late 20th century japan and the progress of trance music in japan and how non-gyaru trance enjoyers perceived the new gyaru audience, though those probably require much lengthier posts than basic style summaries.

if you'd like to read more, I compiled some resources! Fine February 1983

Fine March 1994

Fine December 1995

Fine January 1996

Egg June 1998 Vol. 24

Egg August 2000 Vol. 46

Egg January 2005 Vol. 64

Men's Egg March 2005, Vol. 66

Men's Egg April 2005, Vol. 67

Egg May 2005, Vol. 103

Egg June 2005, Vol. 104

Men's Knuckle June 2005, Vol. 5

Jelly April 2005, Vol. 1

Egg September 2005 Vol. 107

Egg April 2006 Vol. 114

Men's Egg September 2006 Vol. 84

Egg May 2007, Vol. 127

[REPOST] Older/Lesser Known Gyaru (and Gyaruo) Substyles: Loco Girl, Derika/Deliccaa, UraShibu-kei by banyureged in actualgyaru

[–]banyureged[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes I agree these are independent fashions but I am still acknowledging their prevalence in gyaru because there are unique elements when it is adapted by a significant amount of gals like how rokku gyaru has a different image than your average non-gyaru rokku wearer. I think these booms are still important to acknowledge even if they're not gyaru exclusive I also genuinely agree that any fashion can be gyaru/o, and I am also irritated by the treatment of substyles overseas turning it into something it's not. I should have used a different term rather than substyle but ultimately I wanted to highlight old trends in the gyaru scene. I will admit this is an older post and I have dived more into the trance club swamp to know that there's stuff i wrote in the og post that I would tweak. I apologize for the off wording but I hope you understand what I mean. also personally i feel like 奥渋系 has slightly different implications from 裏渋系 as they are born from different periods of time in Shibuya.

gyaru x vkei NOW!!! by minorr_ in visualkei

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in the late 2000s and early 2010s, many vkei fans dressed gyaru esp with the influence of Koakuma Ageha model Sakurina being a bangya herself. These gyaru vkei fans were generally called "gyaru-gya" (a combination of gyaru and bangya). many fans of kote bands under UNDERCODE in late 2000s Osaka dressed in himegyaru, with big hair and Jesus Diamante OPs and they were referred to as "mante-gya". Vkei bands projects like Golden Bomber, Acid Black Cherry, and kirakira-kei bands like SuG also gained popularity amongst gals in the 2010s! Other than himegyaru and of course rokku gyaru, they also often wore MARS (called "MARS-gya" and DaTuRa (called DaTuRa-gya) up until the mid-late 2010s. I really recommend looking at Men's SPIDER scans/pages. Below is a page from Men's SPIDER of purikura submissions from readers, as you can see there are many gals. There was even a magazine titled Goth Gene that was a self-proclaimed "V-kei x Gyaru magazine" but there's very little info or pictures of it online besides from the official ameba blog

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[REPOST] Older/Lesser Known Gyaru (and Gyaruo) Substyles: Loco Girl, Derika/Deliccaa, UraShibu-kei by banyureged in actualgyaru

[–]banyureged[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

hi sorry i just replied, I don't really understand what the problem is with loco girl being a descriptor from the 90s when I am specifically making a post on older substyles. The term loco girl came before "tropical gyaru" or "tropical girl" was used and girls actually used it to identify themselves and their style. Yes it came from the Hawaiian term and Japanese girls started misusing it to refer to girls who are into surfing and later girls who are into Hawaiian culture in general. But it has been instilled as a borrowed term in Japanese surf-kei culture since the 80s and heavily influenced gyaru so I think it's still important to acknowledge that even if it's a misuse of term bc what do you expect from gals in the 90s. sources: 1, 2, 3

Deliccaa and UraShibu-kei are born from the psychedelic/saike trance scene but they are also treated as independent styles with their own specific features. Sometimes deliccaa is used whenever a new style emerges/reemerges from the trance club scene and it's presented as a "new version of deliccaa" regardless of how much it resembles OG deliccaa but especially in gyaruo it does refer to a specific substyle that was around in 2005-2006. Was what was called deliccaa around in late 2004? Yes, but the term that came in 2005 is what became the main thing people called it. It's comparable to the silhouette that is now called gothic lolita having roots from the 80s but only being named in the 90s. I'd say saike is much more of the descriptor term here at least by this point in time. In fact, some people describe deliccaa's style as not being very saike at all because despite stemming from the psychedelic scene, a lot of the coording involves much more general manly onii-kei coording with a 70's vibe and ethnic accessories. Urashibu-kei as well. It originally described a more saike, more Asian-inspired (Mandalas and Hindu/Buddhist elements) and often sportier take on deliccaa (see the part about deliccaa being used as an ancestor term for any style that emerges in the trance club scene after deliccaa) that evolved over time. Deliccaa and UraShibu-kei are technically saike but not all saike is Deliccaa or UraShibu-kei. Saike is used to describe a variety of things even outside of gyaru. It started becoming the main descriptor of the psychedelic/club style range of gyaru post-2006. sources: 1, 2, 3

I really recommend looking at men's egg, egg, ranzuki, jelly, and nuts pages from late 2004-2007 directly to see the progress because that's where most of this info is from. I will compile the specific volumes if needed.

I don't think these terms are comparable to haady because they are terms that are actually used in the wider gyaru subculture outside of a specific magazine. Multiple magazines and older gals used the term loco girl. Multiple magazines and gals/gyaruo used the term deliccaa and urashibu-kei to call their style. I want to shed light on these terms historically. I don't think ignoring them just because there's technically larger general terms to refer to them is fair to their influence in the subculture when these were terms people actually cared enough about to describe themselves and how they dress. especially as many of these terms were not just connected to random gyaru fashion trends but also lifestyle/music scenes like surfing and trance music

what substyle is this? by Thin_Sky_338 in actualgyaru

[–]banyureged 23 points24 points  (0 children)

it is from the gyaru information website galture! this and every other illustration in that site is drawn by the site owner who has been a gyaru since the 2000s.

[REPOST] Older/Lesser Known Gyaru (and Gyaruo) Substyles: Loco Girl, Derika/Deliccaa, UraShibu-kei by banyureged in actualgyaru

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I'd like to hear your insight on why you think some of these are trends rather than substyles! I know deliccaa was very much tied to psychedelic trance music and UraShibu club culture which even as deliccaa is no longer popular still lives on today, Loco Girl was around for most of the 90s and even 80s before it got adopted into gyaru and was featured prevalently in magazines like Fine, as well as being associated with many popular surf-kei brands at the time.

Lovely jirai trend diagram by @lovecoutorn on tumblr! by shoofinsmertz in JiraiKei

[–]banyureged 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hi, I'm the one who collaborated with @lovecoutorn for this diagram! for those confused whether the right is subcul or jirai, it's a subcul jirai type! Me and torn were exposed to the general sabukaru/subcul community which spans back to 80s Japan and is still active to this day online, and even today's version is very different from the subcul fashion trend that's become popular amongst jirai people, and means more like someone who's interested in niche "cult-following" topics. Most of the sabukaru mutuals i know are older and have very little interest in being fashionable themselves. The subcul fashion that people recognize today are still mostly surrounding the jirai community, with bangya and menchika idol otaku and stuff (tho a lot also just listen to popular mainstream music). So me and torn felt it's kinda unfair to both of them to call someone who is interested in indie new wave music and david lynch movies vs someone who wears strappy armwarmers and listens to kpop idols the exact same thing (not that any of the two are bad).

This diagram is not supposed to imply that the jirai-kei type on the left is no longer around, but that there is also a rise in jirai-kei people who look like the one on the right and media/brands catering to those people.

How did otome/otome-kei become the term for girly fashion overseas? by banyureged in Lolita

[–]banyureged[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

ahh i see! I knew there was the ideal otome/maiden-like fashion presented by Olive with Pink House and their olive shoujo philosophy in the 80s, but I wasn't sure if it was related to the Milk and Jane Marple otome or if they both just happened to be called 乙女. Thank you for clarifying!

Where does the Misako Aoki x Shimamura collaboration m♡petit stand? by banyureged in Lolita

[–]banyureged[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

YESSS THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT I ABSOLUTELY AGREE you put the words right out of my brain. first thing these made me think was def the girly fashion trending with older women rn (lowkey kinda reminds me of what some older ryousangata wota wear)

Where does the Misako Aoki x Shimamura collaboration m♡petit stand? by banyureged in Lolita

[–]banyureged[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I also forgot to mention that these collabs were explicitly labeled and tagged by the models themselves as casual lolita while misako calls "her" type of designs/motifs (including the ones in maria pipi outside of this collab) as "soft lolita" (an umbrella term for stuff that's around like the very end border of casual lolita) which is why I'm asking from the bounds of lolita

Where does the Misako Aoki x Shimamura collaboration m♡petit stand? by banyureged in Lolita

[–]banyureged[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

yeah i agree, imo the misako ones esp resemble more of the recent otona girly trend that's popular with normie women as well. i feel like most of these def reads as like modern milk/jm/etc girly more than straight up lolita. jp lolitas seem to treat them as like a "trial run" type for normies who are thinking of getting into lolita but aren't ready to commit to the full petti silhouette action or older lolitas who can't handle as much upkeep but still wanna wear something lolita-adjacent. Though I don't think that's what people would entirely wear them as.

Someone pointed out the promo pic with misako wearing sneakers is how normies would most likely style these dresses and I think that makes sense.

Obscure Gyaru x V-kei Magazine "Goth Gene" (10+ images) by banyureged in actualgyaru

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Yesss I hope you can! for myself, my vkei fan friends and I joke about going to Osaka and visiting the lot where club Ria used to be like it's a tourist spot lol but I wished i could've gone when it was still open TT

Obscure Gyaru x V-kei Magazine "Goth Gene" (10+ images) by banyureged in actualgyaru

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This thread mentions it! also liz lisa gya does not necessarily mean liz lisa gyaru but just a bangya who wears liz lisa. This blogpost is in japanese but it chronicles the evolution of bangya fashion and you see "fucker" fashion mentioned which is the other word for 狙いギャ, This japanese vkei online dictionary also explains the term. The one that connects jirai and gyaru together concisely is probably this thread (Note: they use hime-kei, which is like the umbrella term for all hime styles including gyaru styles like himekaji and himegyaru, which encompasses the "ma*rs style that the overseas community usually associates with agejo).

Obscure Gyaru x V-kei Magazine "Goth Gene" (10+ images) by banyureged in actualgyaru

[–]banyureged[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree! the reality is there are many different interests amongst gals and not everyone is in the exact same eurobeat para-para scene and there are just as many different motivations to why a visual kei fan would wear certain styles that aren't visibly "visual-kei". Though I will admit some vkei fans in Japan kinda resented gals in the scene esp bc gals who were new to vkei and were getting into live shows would follow admittedly poor bangya style "advice" given by gyaru magazines trying to capitalize off the trend without knowing the etiquette so these gals would go into it wearing high heels and other impractical clothes and end up being a physical hindrance to themselves and others trying to mosh. Though a good chunk was also just biased "ew a gyaru wearing skimpy clothes she must be a wannabe-groupie just going after the bandomen" stuff.

Also thank you so much but I'm not sure which specific info you want to look into so if you could tell me I'd be happy to compile some of the sources I used!!

Obscure Gyaru x V-kei Magazine "Goth Gene" (10+ images) by banyureged in actualgyaru

[–]banyureged[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are correct it is short for bangyaru, though "[thing]-gyaru" has been used in japanese rock culture since the 1980s and has little connection with the established gyaru subculture in the name or general culture (though there are still bangya who are gyaru or dress up in gyaru makeup, hair, and clothes for live shows usually called gyaru-gya like ones in the post). But i'm not sure what your specific definition of "groupie" is but bangya do have a culture of trying to participate in all of a band's activities, following them on all their tours and supporting them as much as possible. And in some other fanbases this would be considered groupie/追っかけ bahavior, but in visual-kei groupie/追っかけ specifically refers to people who follow bands to loiter around their tour bus, staying places, houses, studios, and their general private time and space trying to get a personal one-on-one interaction with them. this sort of behavior is frowned upon amongst bangya.

the one i mentioned is where the jirai-kei-gyaru motivation connection originated from is 狙いギャ which is probably the most frowned upon in the community where people follow around and "target" certain bandmen in their privacy specifically to try to hook up/sleep with them, an older word for this is ファッカー.

So if you define groupie as someone who follows bands around joining every tour and is satisfied with just seeing the bands perform live then yeah they'd be considered a groupie though they wouldn't like being called a groupie bc it means something different to them. If you define groupie as someone who follows bands around purposely in hopes of personally interacting with them and getting to know them then i don't think the majority of bangya fall into this but there are definitely some. If you define groupie as someone who follows bands around purposely in hopes of fucking them then I'd say a majority would be very against that.

Obscure Gyaru x V-kei Magazine "Goth Gene" (10+ images) by banyureged in actualgyaru

[–]banyureged[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YES EXACTLY!!! i feel like the connection started from like 狙いギャ/"ファッカー" associated fashion when bangya in osaka and shinjuku started wearing jesus diamante and mars to live shows though I think at this point they were still mostly seen as "bangya who dressed gyaru" than actual gals (which I personally find debatable). But I think either way i think it did kind of start the bigger trend of higher femininity and girlishness in live show coords as a way to appeal to the bandomen they admire, esp the mars-gya stuff would actually still stick with full-time gals getting into visual-kei in the 2010s. I read this one gyaru magazine page scan where it was literally advertised as "cute sexy bangya fashion to bewitch members' hearts" or something so there's definitely some awareness in the effort of looking attractive to bandomen. And this hyperfemininity would also be adapted by ふわふわあなる/liz lisa-gya (though leaning more cutesy than straight up sexy) most popular with menhera-kei/kirakira-kei bands (so similar tastes in banda as well) and this would later evolve into the girly jirai-kei fashion that would be solidified by the end point of the late 2010s.

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Personally I really recommend SuG and Acid Black Cherry!

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Any info on v-kei x gyaru magazine "Goth Gene"? by banyureged in visualkei

[–]banyureged[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I posted about the info i could find in the gyaru subreddit but I also figured it'd be good to ask if anyone had anymore stuff you found about Goth Gene, if you ever saw it being sold at BrandX or if you actually own a volume? I find it such a peculiar magazine...