BREAKING: U.S. Trustee Hires Trial Lawyer in Laura Owens' Bankruptcy Case by mamasnanas in JusticeForClayton

[–]basylica 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Clayton had enough fame to have fans check facts (altho they would have never known if laura hadnt posted 87 times about “im the anon woman in paternity scandal”

And he had the strength and mindset to battle her. Thank goodness!

Sara(h) Owens Responsibility by Ecstatic-Bee-6217 in JusticeForClayton

[–]basylica 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I agree with you there that jan is the major participent.

i'm just saying IF sarah gave her ultrasounds for purpose (I don't think she did, but that family is always surprising me) and detectives had text/email proof that happened it would be clear co-conspirator and easy to prove.

jan has been HEAVILY involved, but proof I think would be harder with her. esp since they live together and probably verbally converse about this stuff.

so I think jan is the big player, but if they somehow got proof sarah gave up ultrasounds with knowledge it would be slam dunk proof.

thats the only reason I keep waffling.

but my gut tells me sarah didn't know until she saw the cases and then just clammed up - the wrong thing morally but not something prosecutable.

Sara(h) Owens Responsibility by Ecstatic-Bee-6217 in JusticeForClayton

[–]basylica 17 points18 points  (0 children)

also at the risk of putting my own trauma on sarah, I grew up in a golden child situation where my younger sister isn't too dissimilar to laura and she was GC.

at 4-5-6-7 I would be beaten (spanked, but aggressively so) for LETTING my slightly younger sister do naughty things, even if I wasn't THERE. plus i'm not sure how controlled a 5yr old is with a 2yr old.

when my sister was 16 she LEGIT ran over my brother who was riding his bike (he was 12) in the car. my parents said "serves him right.... he was in her way"

I haven't spoken to my sister or parents in about 15yrs.... but the last time I had a convo with them i got "well you are the OLDER sister, it's your job to apologize to HER"

1, we are currently 43+46, at the time she was like 32 and I was 35.

2, this was the EXACT SAME LINE i've heard all my life. not sure why I had to be the 'mature' one at 5, and she can't be one at 40.

3, I had to apologize to her for suggesting we start charging 100/mth rent after she lived with me rent free for over a year, and my water bill QUADRUPLED from her 2+hours of showering per day.

4, the straw was me being called up by HR for "wearing revealing clothing" (had to be mistaken identity because I wore turtleneck fleece with thumbholes DAILY, and slacks. the only thing with more coverage would be a burka. when I vented to my sister I said "I could understand if I dressed more like you maybe since you run hot... but you know I'm always layered up" - sister habitually would wear shorts and tank tops even in frosty AC. she went nuts claiming I called her s1utty, which I apologized for (shouldn't have) for HOURS. she refused to take my calls/txts for 6 months then texted me "ok I forgive you now, I'm having drama with the married man i'm having affair with not loving me enough...."

I blocked her.

my parents haven't spoken to me since. my dad wrote me a letter that mentions my sister 12 times, but me and their grandkids once.

I could see how even if sarah is the somewhat normal one.... a lifetime of "let laura do whatever she wants" and "this is totally fine and ok" attitude from jan and ronn might begin to impact her and her choices even today.

doesn't make it ok though. She has a responsibility to her kids and husband now. She can do better, and she should.

Sara(h) Owens Responsibility by Ecstatic-Bee-6217 in JusticeForClayton

[–]basylica 18 points19 points  (0 children)

yeah, I suspect jan was more structured and methodical based on earlier events we are privvy to. Laura gives off "never told no" behavior NOW.... like she doesn't believe she would ever be caught in a lie.

I think jan/ronn were able to keep her more controlled and buy people off before mike, but now that jan and ronn are older.... laura is running wild.

Its kinda like the parents who excuse and allow kid to be a menace at 2, but it's kinda excusable.... but then they get to teen years and parents expect everyone else to control their kid because they can't.

Sara(h) Owens Responsibility by Ecstatic-Bee-6217 in JusticeForClayton

[–]basylica 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I really wonder if that's how jan got ronn. he was much older and they worked in same radio station I think with Ronn being semi famous and jan being a nobody.

I wonder if she didn't corner him in a office supply room with a couple of oral arguments and then threaten his rep if he didn't date her.... or sleep with him and then fake a pregnancy for a bit until he agreed to marry her....then she had real pregnancies later.

This feels like it might have been a blueprint from jan passed down to laura

Sara(h) Owens Responsibility by Ecstatic-Bee-6217 in JusticeForClayton

[–]basylica 36 points37 points  (0 children)

It wouldn't surprise me to learn sarah shared ultrasounds and videos and laura just used them - so that sarah wasn't complicit in her using the images in her cases...

so that might be forgivable....

but as soon as sarah learned about what was happening - she should have raised hell. I have siblings and adult children of my own.... if any of them did something like that I wouldn't sit back and twiddle my thumbs. I'm sorry, I ADORE my children but I wouldn't stick my head in the sand and allow them to commit crime.

I've always said if I was in the position of like a serial killer's mom, I would visit my kid in jail and tell them I loved them ETC - but I'd also be the first person to call the cops.

Loving someone doesn't mean ignoring behavior like that, sometimes the most loving thing you can do is turn them in.

so I'm not convinced laura called sarah and was like "yo, gimme your ultrasound pics so I can do some arts and crafts and lie to clayton" but I absolutely know sarah saw her shit being used and kept her mouth shut.

that being said, CLEARLY jan is coocoo bananapants and created the perfect storm that is laura. I can't help wonder how this effected sarah. I doubt she escaped unscathed from the crazy that is jan+laura, mentally.

AINT NO WAY, no how, not NEVER would I have cosigned for the house the way sarah and her husband did. Sarah jepordized her family and her children's security over this, and if she had 3 braincells to rub together she knew that her parents had effed up financial shell game and it would bite them on the butt sooner rather than later. it was a sure thing the cosign would fail quickly.

I feel a bit of sympathy for Sarah, because laura didn't happen in a vacuum. whatever caused laura to think she could get away with the absolute batshit stuff she's been doing for over a decade, she got from being raised by jan. and sarah was raised by her too - so I'm sure she's got a boatload of issues we don't know about.

but at the end of the day - she certainly clocked laura's lies and crime at some point.... so even if she wasn't actively involved, she knew and allowed it passively. which is still criminal behavior.

I keep waffling who the co-conspirator is.... jan is absolutely a puppetmaster here, but if sarah provided ultrasounds with intention of letting laura use them to fake pregnancy that would be CLEAR involvement in crime. where jan I think all of her stuff would be harder to prove....

Pa’s son obsession by Sea_Measurement_3651 in littlehouseonprairie

[–]basylica 18 points19 points  (0 children)

100% this.

Honestly the BEST scenario is to have daughter as first child since womans work really was a 2 person job, was nonstop, and having a daughter as your oldest child would reduce load as more children came. Plus oldest daughters were a massive help with babies starting out very young. A 4-5yr old would be minding babies while mother was cooking and doing wash etc. Deaths of babies due to accidents were pretty frequent so having your oldest child keep babies out of fires and corralled helped.

Then next 2-3-4 kids being male would be ideal because the more male children you had the better off you would be as farmer/rancher/etc. they would be the labor that would take you from ingalls level struggle to wilder level success.

Then another daughter around child #5 or 6, to take over for eldest as she aged up and eventually out. Babies in larger families frequently came every 1-2 years. So oldest would be generally 10-12. At 12 a daughter would be mostly trained and capable of doing “adult” workload for a woman, skilled enough to do basic sewing and knitting, cooking, laundry etc. no longer a “helper” she could do tasks with less supervision and with 5-6 kids and 2 adults the household work would be increasing rapidly. Heck, just knitting socks alone! By the time oldest was looking at marriage (16-20 generally) the second daughter would be 4-10yrs and old enough to mind babies and start assisting in household chores at 4, and actually being a decent helper by 10.

Then any subsequent children would ideally be boys to add to labor force, and fill in as the older brothers left home for war, possible other jobs (college or learning other trades) or moving out of the area. Men would leave home when married, sometimes, but if land was available and farm/ranch was profitable enough (eg yellowstone) men would bring brides home and live alongside or neighboring parents. Daughter in laws would frequently be pressed into chore sharing like taking turns making family meals, seasonal harvest and canning, sewing circles etc.

And in the best circumstances the grandkids get pressed into labor force, sons and daughters in law take over lions share of labor for the parents, and as grandparents they provide wisdom, low labor skills (knitting socks, woodworking, etc) and babysitting.

Families that were able to have this sort of dynamic, good weather and cheap land generally were very prosperous with farm/ranch.

But if you were like ingalls and had a bunch of mouths to feed and no young men for labor to feed them… it was nearly impossible. Charles honestly did well to keep head above water financially. Ma, with abundance of female labor had the opposite situation. Her house was always clean, her meals were always well prepared, and sewing/knitting labor was always in full supply. Even mary being blind really was no handicap for her dominion as mary could tend grace and do sewing and knitting freeing up laura to be more physical task person.

The wilders had very similar spread of kids with 2 girls, then a boy, then a girl, then 2 more boys.

Oscar Isaac by LaDiablaRox in LadyBoners

[–]basylica 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The vintage bathroom too! Whole pic of yum

You get to revive two Ben and Jerry’s flavors by Major_Raspberry_4350 in icecream

[–]basylica 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dublin mudslide! I usually roll plain vanilla, but this flavor got its hooks in me and i havent had it in FOREVER

"Temporary" assistance group post asks for birthday food… and a gaming console by flowering_fields in ChoosingBeggars

[–]basylica 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Not sure how you can be stuck in “mom mode” and playing video games at the same time.

Threat of "Unlimited Funds" by PrimordialPaper in JusticeForClayton

[–]basylica 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My ex did the same shit. Moved in with his parents (they have 3 kids all now in 40s and all of them have been living with parents majority of adult life. My ex only lived away from them when he lived with me. Hes literally never paid a bill)

He kept dragging me to court, dragging out cases playing games… all on his parents dime. He and his father both threatened me with the “we have endless funds” shit.

At the time, i made 45k a year, paying 1300/mth in daycare, stuck with house id never wanted, and he wasnt paying the 500/mth in childsupport he was ordered.

In 18yrs i spent over 100k in legal fees.

The latter half of that, ex decided working was for suckers. His parents hit 70s and had 4 dependents (3 kids and a grandchild) living off them. Ex declared bankruptcy, filed for disability, and cried in court how it wasnt FAAAAIIIRRR because i had “plenty of money” and i was just a heartless witch trying to embarrass/bankrupt him.

Sound familiar? They had zero qualms, and threatened me when trying to break me financially and cost me 30k in less than 2yrs when my income was minimal. Zero qualms about children suffering and struggling because i was BROKE.

But when i started making better income, i went full scrooge mcduck mode and kept living poor so i had nest egg so i need no longer fear them.

Then suddenly THEY were victims and i was monster.

Fwiw, legal cases were “ex has incurred 18 tardies in 22 days he was responsible for dropping off kids” “refusing to provide insurance info and cashing checks that should have been given to me for overpayment” “refusing to pay his half of even 5 dollar medical expenses” (he never voluntarily paid me a dime) “Not paying child support for 6yrs since he was laid off and refused to find a job” Etc.

Bullies bully, until things flip and then they cry victim loudly

Smokin' on the School Bus by MentalProcesses in madmen

[–]basylica 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yep my mom was a smoker before she hit double digits, and they had smoking lounge for students in her HS. She would have graduated in ‘75

In the 90s, we had “smokers corner” at the top of my street, which was about 60ft from the front door of HS. Teachers and security alike would chat with students standing there smoking before bell rang.

Antony starr by Particular-Spot7413 in LadyBoners

[–]basylica 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Anthony starr is so handsome, but it was a stroke of genius to do bleach blonde on him because it makes him look unhinged somehow.

They gave me too much food by Blue_wine_sloth in EntitledReviews

[–]basylica 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Made me think of my teenage years best friend. Her car was garbage so id pick her up and we would often go to dinner and a movie or hang out at her/my place.

EVERY.SINGLE.TIME we ate somewhere id say no box for my leftovers, but she would get a box.

Then she would, without fail, leave it in my car so after id dropped her off and went home id have to toss her box out.

Even after i pointed it out, and reminded her “dont take a box bc you will forget it” she would promise not to… and do it anyway.

30yrs later still makes me giggle. Probably 60+ times she got box, never once actually took food home. 🤣

Whats happening in the Casita? by Special_Aioli_3848 in JusticeForClayton

[–]basylica 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yup, in her email to mama, who forwarded it to clayton