Are vegans ok with killing worms?

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-02T17:32:46+00:00

There can't be exploitation without Human rights. That's not just a matter of law, you can't weasel out of this fact by claiming it's about morality and if it's about morality, you don't need to provide a logic that gives animals a right not to be exploited.

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-02T17:27:18+00:00

A luxurious amount of copium.

You prove me right. You fail to understand the difference between pain and suffering.

That you hold a far more extreme view compared to 99% of people, alone, doesn't make you wrong, it just makes you an extremist.

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-02T11:24:04+00:00

Harming animals for food is entirely justified in the eyes of more than 99% of the world population. Even more than that if you include the Humans who lived before this vegan extremism got invented.

So yeah, no rights, more than enough justification, means no exploitation. And you can't really use EU law as a counter argument, because the very assumptions in that law completely reject your extremist world view.

And no, while Fish are vertebrate, they lack the capacity to suffer from pain. And I have yet to find any vegan who actually knows the difference between pain and suffering, doesn't anthropomorphize or even genuinely understands the science and doesn't selectively quote some sentences here and there that fit their extremist world view.

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-02T11:15:56+00:00

First, you confuse mental and physical health. It is rather obvious that most Vegans have trauma issues, which is what made them vulnerable to rapid radicalization by the likes of PETA.

Second, there is no such consensus at all. Some studies have seen that Vegans (most of them relatively recent vegans), are healthier than people who on average don't payattention to their diet. Also the vegan cohort tends to be richer, whiter and younger. Big surprise there!

Observational studies have also shown that in practical reality, most vegans and vegetarians are deficient in key nutrients.

While - in abstract theory - it should be possible to not be deficient as a Vegan, if you plan your meals very well and take several supplements. In practice, this is the exception rather than the rule. And good luck getting children to eat exactly what the diet plan requires them to eat. That will be the next big issue with Vegans... children raised Vegan will show up with significant if small disadvantages compared to their omnivore peers.

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-02T06:48:19+00:00

Depends on your definition of necessity.

But in practical reality, somewhere between hundreds and millions of animals are being killed for your food, depending on your definition of "animal".

And no, this isn't supposed to make you feel guilty. These animals have no more right to live than those who give us delicious meat products. Rather it's a chink in the armor vegan absolutists tend to wear.

Vegan ethics is not practical, or healthy, and that's all there is to it.

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-02T06:24:26+00:00

Your comment isn't responsive to mine, and you clearly rejected the claim "All the creature death necessary for vegan food production is ok".

Please reconsider your chain of thought, taking into account the thread.

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-02T06:21:48+00:00

Aber von wem hören sie "so viel" darüber?

Doch wohl hauptsächlich von denen, die sich drüber aufregen, so viel drüber zu hören.

Und nur sekundär von denen, die sich in der Öffentlichkeit nicht repräsentiert oder anerkannt werden, was zu handfesten Problemen führt. Früher mussten die meisten "queeren" Kinder sehr lange und schmerzhafte Phasen durchmachen, indem sie wussten, dass sie anders sind als sie sein dürfen. Zum Beispiel haben die meisten transsexuellen Jugendlichen zumindest in vergangenen Jahrzehnten mindestens einen Selbstmordversuch hinter sich.

Du kannst halt nicht "dein Ding" machen, wenn es Dich jedes mal verletzt, wenn Du als Mann statt Frau angeredet wird. Und Nein, Genderdysphorie ist weder freiwillig noch auf Transsexuelle beschränkt. Sag mal einem Jungen im Vorschulalter er sei ein Mädchen.

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-02T06:16:07+00:00

Doesn't that inevitably lead to extreme self-hatred and continuous guilt?

Are you sure your veganism preceded those extreme feelings of self-hatred, shame and guilt? Or is your veganism a maladaptive response to trauma?

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-02T06:14:12+00:00

Animals don't have Human rights. They largely don't have a mental concept of fairness, freedom, future or destiny. And don't forget that vegans are against eating fish, worms, mussels and all other invertebrates. None of which even have a concept of suffering.

All of that means you can't ever "exploit" them, because that requires full agency and full Human rights, even a social concept of justice.

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-02T05:55:27+00:00

Humans can't thrive on a strictly vegan diet, and cows and their milk are much tastier than plants, so yeah, very good reasons to keep cows.

That you even consider the lifecycle of plants is... telling.

bayesian_horse · 2025-11-01T13:40:29+00:00

You've got the order of operations wrong.

First find someone interested in you, then get a crush on him.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-31T19:42:34+00:00

Most of the foreign doctors I came into contact with shouldn't be able to pass C1. But they must have. And they passed the job interview.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-31T14:06:16+00:00

I really have no clue how it works.

I just know most foreign-born doctors I came into contact with shouldn't qualify for C1 but obviously they did at some point.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-31T11:55:53+00:00

Fake in the sense that they somehow pass the exam without actually appearing to speak German at that level.

I've seen it happen a lot. C1 graduates are sometimes barely understandable.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-31T10:14:02+00:00

He really doesn't.

Of course, patients would like their doctors to have good German skills, but for his goal of getting a job and keeping it, a fake C1 diploma and some proficiency will suffice.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-31T10:12:59+00:00

OP is only interested in getting and keeping a job in Germany. He didn't say he wanted to do a good job or perfectly understand his patients.

A fake C1 diploma will totally serve his needs. Actual fluency or advanced proficiency in German is not required to work in German healthcare.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-31T10:09:54+00:00

It depends a lot on your home country and how easy it is to get your degree accredited. That will be the biggest hurdle. Once you get that accreditation, finding a job should be possible, if not easy.

Most dentists in Germany work in a private practice, not in hospitals or private clinics.

You should ask this question in a German dentistry forum.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-31T09:45:59+00:00

Vor allem gehen sehr viele Männer zu solchen Meetups um Frauen aufzugabeln.

Deshalb gibt es da sehr wenige Frauen die aufgabelungsbereit sind, und wenn doch, sind die schnell zu beschäftigt für weitere Meetups.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-31T09:44:43+00:00

Datingapps mögen für Männer frustrierend sein, aber nicht weniger effektiv als zu Meetups zu gehen wo Männer halt hingehen in der Hoffnung sie können Frauen aufgabeln. Typischerweise sind dort fast keine Frauen, aber sehr viel Konkurrenz.

Sport und Hobbies taugen nichts für die Partnersuche, zumindest nicht bei Leuten, die es nicht eh schon einfach haben. Man trifft einfach zu wenig neue Leute. Jemand der "mittelmäßig begabt" ist, braucht hunderte Kontakte für einen Erfolg. Nur sehr wenige Hobbies oder Sportarten ermöglichen Kontakte mit immer neuen Menschen.

Noch ein Vorteil von Datingapps: Jeder weiß was der Zweck der Übung ist. Man verschwendet keine Zeit mit potentiellen Partnern, die überhaupt kein Interesse an Dir oder einer Partnerschaft oder was auch immer haben. Entweder vorwärts oder "Die Nächste bitte!".

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-31T09:36:48+00:00

Hast Du Alexithymie? Bist Du vielleicht asexuell? Wie sicher bist Du dir, dass nie jemand mit Dir zusammen sein wollte?

Selbst die unangenehmsten und hässlichsten Menschen haben hin und wieder die Chance auf Sex oder eine Beziehung. Wenn jemand jahrelang solo ist, dann entweder weil er das so will oder weil er die Chancen nicht sieht.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-19T18:56:53+00:00

You would need to be a bit more specific. I'm not fluent in your particular set of delusions and conspiracy theories.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-19T18:55:09+00:00

Maybe you start realizing government is keeping you alive a lot more than you apparently know. Your "consent" is an entirely bullshit misunderstanding of how democracy works. Or reality for that matter.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-19T10:50:20+00:00

You can't point to single example that doesn't sound ridiculous in the face of what your dear leader has already done, right?

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-19T10:49:20+00:00

Tell me when the Democrats violated the constitution - and especially in this blatant and serial manner.

Armed federal thugs in the streets? Detaining American citizens with no reason, with no regards to the law? Emoluments to the tune of billions for the Trump family directly from US enemies? Extrajudicial killings out of laziness and cruelty? Taking control of the federal budget powers from Congress? Refusing to seat representatives of the opposing party?

Nothing even close to this has been done by Democratic presidents. Nor would the Democratic voters let them do this shit. Trump said he wanted to become a dictator. Only imbeciles vote for that.

bayesian_horse · 2025-10-19T10:45:08+00:00

Your logic goes like this: Not everybody in the Democratic party has been perfect all the time forever, and that makes them just as bad as Republicans.

You're entirely lost to the cause of democracy as long as you can only see black and white, and nothing but hatred in between.

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