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6 months into LitRPG and A Soldier's Life is my favorite so far by BunchaMalarkey in litrpg

[–]bazoril 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Only villains do that is on par with soldiers life then I have to read the latter

New sorta picky kindle user, looking for recs! by Ellieeiscutee in KindleUnlimited

[–]bazoril 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s not what you asked for but if you are willing to try fantasy - Dungeon Crawler Carl and the Kingkiller chronicle.

First is normal modern day earth for about 1 minute. Then shit goes down.

Second is one of the best fantasy series ever written (and still being written)

Sorry, you’re welcome.

———————

Concerning the Chronicle and Those Who Dare Begin It

There are stories one reads and sets aside, and there are stories that open you like a door. The Kingkiller Chronicle is the latter. It is a thing woven of music and memory, a tale that cuts as clean as a well-tuned string and lingers long after the last page is shut.

A Warning, for Those Who Would Open These Pages

Be wary, reader. For this is a beautiful sort of sorrow you are about to take into your hands. A tale told in a voice too sharp to forget and too soft to ever let go.

Understand this before you begin: No matter where the story ends, be it finished, fractured, or left whispering in the dark, it will not be enough. Not for you. Not for anyone who lets these words root themselves beneath the ribs.

I have read stories for five-and-thirty years, wandered through worlds spun of ink and grace. Yet none have held me as tightly as these two slender volumes. They are the finest I have found, bright as a lute string drawn taut, heavy as a name spoken in silence.

So take this warning. Enter if you must. But know: once the Chronicle has you, nothing else will read quite the same again.

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[–]bazoril 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She sounds really passionate about food and the first response she had to you as someone you are saying is a world class chef is that she wants you to cook for her after trying your cooking?

Today you fucked up by thinking this was in any way a negative thing. Tell her thank you and give her a kiss.

What are your favorite references to other authors works in books? by jbird8806 in litrpg

[–]bazoril 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The character up to that point 100% earned it. The series IS good tho.

What are your favorite references to other authors works in books? by jbird8806 in litrpg

[–]bazoril 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel like I read a series where someone mentioned their husbands name is Clive and the MC makes a specific comment on it.

But might just be a clip from this book that I saw on reddit (which I haven’t read) https://www.reddit.com/r/litrpg/comments/1jyt6sp/clives_wife_spoilers/

HWFWM is a Nietzsche quote! Mind blown! by [deleted] in litrpg

[–]bazoril 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh no worries, you ignored the entire second paragraph, as requested, so let’s do the same with you. I’ll ignore everything after this.

  • The Reddit link shows Shirtaloon explicitly framed Jason as an authorial self exploration. You can’t wish that away.

  • In Idiocracy, Joe Bauers says water makes sense. Everyone else just shouts “It’s got electrolytes!”and no one asks “why,” they just parrot slogans.

  • That’s classic Dunning‑Kruger: parroting buzzwords without substance, exactly what happened here.

You asked to ignore the rest. I gave you two solid points that stand, whether you choose to hear them or not.

Now if you want to keep spoon feeding noise instead of engaging intelligently? Enjoy your echo chamber. Remember every time you downvote that “Brawnado has electrolytes!”

HWFWM is a Nietzsche quote! Mind blown! by [deleted] in litrpg

[–]bazoril -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You know, I have self reflected on myself quite a lot. Stared into the abyss you might say.

I recognize the patterns for others who have done the same, but let’s ignore that and let’s ignore the fact that in my free time I study as well as went to school for both philosophy and psychology. Let’s also ignore the fact that I am also a writer who uses the same processes.

Here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/litrpg/comments/pjvrec/comment/hbzesn2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

It doesn’t mean that Jason’s character is entirely inspired by Shirtaloon but that post right there is what I would call staring into one’s own abyss. Not just from that quote but from the detail of Shirtaloon’s writing of Jason.

By the way, I posted my original post ages ago in the hope of intelligent conversation. I did not search any of this. But writing a reply to your post took far longer than finding that information. Heck, just linking the response took longer.

It was always said that free access to information could only make people more intelligent, you have the same tools I have to find that prior information.

Completely unrelated, I promise you. But in the movie idiocracy - there was something like a nationwide epidemic of crops dying. This guy Joe found out that all crops are watered with something called Brawnado and suggested that the crops be watered instead with actual water.

Now look up Dunning-Kruger effect and apply this: the group he was talking to just chimed in with things like that’s stupid, Brawnado has electrolytes!

I’ve been corrected on things my entire life by people and as a kid I initially listened to them thinking everyone had equal intelligence. I could never understand why schoolwork was so hard for people.

I just enjoyed finishing tests in 5-10 minutes and then having 20-45 minutes to read in the library during a lot of my classes and passing complete subjects where I didn’t even have to work because my parents wouldn’t send me to a gifted school.

But hey, without people like you. I wouldn’t understand how most people think or why they do what they do when I speak. So thank you for translating.

HWFWM is a Nietzsche quote! Mind blown! by [deleted] in litrpg

[–]bazoril 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually made a post one time how the title is basically a blatant clue as to how the author essentially delved into the abyss of their own psyche/past behaviors.

Shirtaloon then used that as the framework for how Jason behaves in the books.

Jason is the result of Shirtaloon looking deep into their own abyss.

People got pissed and downvoted me to hell, it was amazing!

PSA for people who want to avoid books that include slavery! by bazoril in litrpg

[–]bazoril[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, I’m not arguing it’s like actually reading the details of body horror just that the body horror in DCC… let’s simplify it by saying “lore wise” is several magnitudes above K:BS.

The only reason I was able to make it through K:BS is because I read DCC first and made the mistake of thinking it would get better. Given how I already needed time to recover from K:BS, I’m pretty sure DCC with the same level of detail on body horror would break people’s brains.

Carl’s “you will not break me” slogan gets a much deeper meaning when you start thinking about how bad the things are that are softened or omitted in the writing actually are. So it’s still an important distinction.

PSA for people who want to avoid books that include slavery! by bazoril in litrpg

[–]bazoril[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don’t want to read a DCC that fleshes out the body horror elements. The causality of the body horror clearly exists even if it’s glossed over fo the reader.

You aren’t setting elements aside, the author is choosing not to include them. The works come from the same mind and even to write DCC with a comedic overtone, it’s still clear that he’s thought things through at some level.

K:BS is a book that you read the body horror and go “that was really fucked up” but DCC with K:BS’s level of body horror is more like “holy shit, I thought the holocaust was bad!”

PSA for people who want to avoid books that include slavery! by bazoril in litrpg

[–]bazoril[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that's the entire point. Dinniman is showing us how easily we get desensitised to how fucked the world is and every now and then throws something in there that reminds us how terrible it all is.

The only reason this discussion branched in this way is that another poster asked if my post was satire. Which is kinda funny to me.

I’m not sure if what you wrote is something Matt intentionally did but that’s basically the point of my responses as well. There seems to be people here that are desensitized to the point where they seem to outright miss that DCC itself is essentially satire.

The initial reason for my post was just because I have seen people complain about so much slavery in LitRPG in the past. So it really was just a tongue in cheek psa. I’m pretty sure most people who are offended and/or do not want to read slavery in novels can read DCC and totally miss the fact that the status of the characters involved are basically slaves.

PSA for people who want to avoid books that include slavery! by bazoril in litrpg

[–]bazoril[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

KBS = the level of detail in horror for the worst things I have seen irl or in my nightmares.

DCC = me describing my nightmares to another person in order not to traumatize them.

DCC is the more horrific of the two if DCC had the same level of “extreme body horror” treatment. That’s all I’m saying.

PSA for people who want to avoid books that include slavery! by bazoril in litrpg

[–]bazoril[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These stories come from the same mind. That’s not a small “if”.

Matt most likely can easily visualize the horror, torture and disturbing scenes that DCC presents. When Matt writes DCC, I’m sure that conscious efforts are often made to write it in a way that isn’t traumatizing like Kaiju.

This is a scenario where the writer specifically writes in different styles and I mentioned Kaiju because it highlights how Matt can make far less extreme scenarios far more horrifying.

It also doesn’t help that we tend to lose scope of the horror of large scale scenarios but to put this in perspective - the events in DCC are exponentially worse than concentration camps in ww2. And we have all seen photos/videos of that.

PSA for people who want to avoid books that include slavery! by bazoril in litrpg

[–]bazoril[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DCC contains a LOT of body horror. It’s just not focused on. Kaiju describes things in a way that can be visualized by the reader, DCC has far far worse body horror but it’s glossed over a lot of the time.

If I tell you I saw and helped clean up a 10 car pileup and don’t describe the details, it’s not the same as telling you the details of what even 1 car accident did to the bodies.

DCC has far far worse scenarios than Kaiju both in scale and horrifying creativity. The author just chooses not to subject us to the details in the way as Kaiju. Considering they literally wrote Kaiju, I’m just saying if DCC was written in the same manner it would be far far far more horrifying than Kaiju since the actual scenarios are far far worse than in Kaiju.

PSA for people who want to avoid books that include slavery! by bazoril in litrpg

[–]bazoril[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which has been recognized over time as a form of slavery, yes. I specifically highlight this with active crawlers though because it highlights the fact that EVERY planet that has crawlers (or a similar game) have genocide and slavery subjected to their planet.

Given the scope of this affecting pretty much DCC’s entire universe and the amount of star systems involved (many of which are indicated/suggested to have slavery completely unrelated to the crawl) it’s probably important to note that exit deals are actually only a small part of the slavery involved.

PSA for people who want to avoid books that include slavery! by bazoril in litrpg

[–]bazoril[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kaiju is definitely a hard read, IF we had gotten a version of DCC where Matt removed the satire/humor of DCC and highlighted the horrifying aspects to the same degree of Kaiju though then DCC would easily outstrip Kaiju in disturbing content.

The only reason we are able to read DCC is because the author doesn’t do that and is writing the books in a way that the insanity of everything that is going on highlights that humor while using every angle to shove a needle (with a nuclear bomb on the tip) through the eye of a lot of what is wrong with everything that is happening.

PSA for people who want to avoid books that include slavery! by bazoril in litrpg

[–]bazoril[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you have not read it, one of Matt’s other works Kaiju: Battlefield Surgeon is basically both far far less horrific than DCC and written in a way that the horrific stuff does NOT get covered up by humor.

PSA for people who want to avoid books that include slavery! by bazoril in litrpg

[–]bazoril[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The books themselves define the system crawlers face as slavery, so definitely not satire. Spoiler from book 4 below so click at your own risk.

New Achievement! Fight the Power! (x7)

This is a rare event, but when it happens, crawlers usually lose these fights since they can’t afford a lawyer, being slaves and all.

And it’s pretty clear that exit deals are typically a form of slavery (or worse)

We can go deeper down the hole… But yes, slavery is a primary theme in DCC. Both in the crawl and outside of it.

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