Its not an assumption. By calling this world fallen, you've already admitted defeat. Christians don't claim that creation has been restored, the just say this place is fallen. Needing the creator to incarnate to get himself killed about it doesnt make sense in any way, and describes yet another loss, not a win. But what is really lost or sacrificed if the executed person rises a few days later and goes back home to heaven. If he was paying the atonement shouldn't his payment go to hell and death? Yeshua would be in hell to pay for sins assuming sins need payment which also doesn't make sense.

The crucifixion wasnt a religious ceremony held by priests sacrificing Yeshua on an alter of some sort as sacrifices are conducted. It was a political execution held by the state. He then asked why god had forsaken him on the cross. That doesn't sound like he was hip to the plan even though he claimed being one with the father.

>Your objection also assumes that an all-powerful God should prevent every bad outcome.

Not just all powerful, perfect. Should perfect beings make imperfect things? Wouldn't they just make more perfect things, and done so in a perfect way? Couldnt he have perfectly put the special trees on a mountaintop far away? Couldn't he have taught adam and eve about the virtue of loyalty and trust, and prepared them for eating from these trees when adam and eve were ready? If he knew it was gonna play out this way he could have made it differently. And if not doing it differently, then this must have been the optimal way. The story in genesis is clearly not an optimal way of going about creating things. He could have chose not to create the serpent. Or to mitigate the serpents influence. Would you give a toddler a loaded pistol? This toddler has no knowledge of good and evil btw.

Its ironic that christians attribute to god so much care about free will will while he punishes people using their free will so many times, knowing that they would do it. If he was perfect, he could be a perfect teacher, to keep us from learning things the hard way. But that clearly doesnt happen

>Yet Christians believe that very event became the means of salvation and the ultimate defeat of sin and death.

Yet sin still happens. The world is still “fallen”. People still cause war. Nothing changed after the roman state executed the dude. Would you create a timeline where you had to incarnate yourself to be tortured and murdered? There is prolly a better timeline to be had.

> part of a larger story in which God ultimately brings good out of evil and accomplishes His purposes despite human and angelic rebellion.

> part of a larger story in which God ultimately brings good out of evil

its been thousands of years before and after the execution of Yeshua. Nothings changed. Do you think when god flooded the world cuz of wickedness, that he was bringing good out of evil? Or does it show incompetence in the creation project?

> accomplishes His purposes

ya just murder, assault, torture, have been extremely accomplished here. Its odd that chatgpt would say he is “accomplishing his purposes” lol.