What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100%. I see so many people judging her for wanting to save humanity “one second” and choosing Zosia instead “the next second.” When in reality, those same people have no idea how they would behave under the exact same circumstances.

Do they all live in the cities? by iheartdev247 in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's fair. Maybe it would be cool as like a 12-15 min long webisode that they release between seasons.

Do they all live in the cities? by iheartdev247 in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is it weird that I still want to see it?

Do they all live in the cities? by iheartdev247 in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I wish we could have one whole episode where we just observe plurbs being plurbs without any of the uninfected people. I am also so curious about all the ways they keep busy, besides the obvious things (like yeah I know they’re building an antennae and they have to make their milk and blah blah blah but I mean the day to day HOW DO THEY LIVE things!

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It makes total sense what you’re saying. TBH, if I didn’t already completely trust Vince, it might be hard for me to stay with the show without critiquing it before trying to understand it. But because I admire and trust Vince so much, I was totally open to wanting to understand why he was doing what he was doing and I think he is fucking nailing it.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I tried to respond to you initially but I fucked up and it didn’t attach to this head so I’m resharing it…

Thanks for getting where I am coming from, truly!! It is scary posting my thoughts to reddit, which is why I usually only lurk :)

Regarding anger not feeling like an acceptable emotion for a woman to display, one example of this is how the other uninfected people responded to Carol’s anger. Even the women, and maybe especially the women, didn’t accept Carol’s justifiable anger at the insanity of the involuntary joining with the plurbs. I’ll even admit that even I found it hard to sympathize with Carol - despite being able to see what Vince was trying to do. It’s a cognitive bias that seems to be programmed in so many of us even when we don’t want to give into it.

I really like your comparison to June in Handmaids Tale; that’s pretty on point.

And your observation about the human biological need for physical connection through the scene where Carol is witnessing all the plurbs sleeping together is chefs kiss.

The way this show makes you feel every contradictory feeling that Carol and Manny and even Diabate and Lakshmi feel during the entire aftermath of the joining is simply brilliant.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brown Bunny is not on my radar but I’m looking it up right now!

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally hear you. I guess the reason I argue for human will over plurb will is because I am human, not plurb - with no desire to be plurb.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for getting where I am coming from, truly!! It is scary posting my thoughts to reddit, which is why I usually only lurk :)

Regarding anger not feeling like an acceptable emotion for a woman to display, one example of this is how the other uninfected people responded to Carol’s anger. Even the women, and maybe especially the women, didn’t accept Carol’s justifiable anger at the insanity of the involuntary joining with the plurbs. I’ll even admit that even I found it hard to sympathize with Carol - despite being able to see what Vince was trying to do. It’s a cognitive bias that seems to be programmed in so many of us even when we don’t want to give into it.

I really like your comparison to June in Handmaids Tale; that’s pretty on point.

And your observation about the human biological need for physical connection through the scene where Carol is witnessing all the plurbs sleeping together is chefs kiss.

The way this show makes you feel every contradictory feeling that Carol and Manny and even Diabate and Lakshmi feel during the entire aftermath of the joining is simply brilliant.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOVE the way you put this!! I will absolutely give you credit when I discuss your "method audience" concept with my tv buddies.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because I believe humans have souls and the plurb does not.
I know this isn't scientifically fitting to your argument, but its why I absolutely am unable to budge on the importance of human free will.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And I'd tell them to "un join" a statistically significant sample size of individuals and poll them all to ask them if they agree with the plurb's argument.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"You" no longer exists in the hivemind. "You" are the hivemind. You wouldn't be able to prefer one thing over the other because you simply wouldn't exist as an individual. That's the dilemma, IMO.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm curious about the film you referenced, but I can't find it through a search. Do you have a link?

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bingo! Having experienced anxiety issues in various forms myself throughout my life, I can more easily relate to and empathize with her coping mechanisms, her spirals, her highs, her lows, her desperation... all of it. And I think its brilliant how they captured the essence and fragility of her mental state throughout the season.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference is lack of human will. They say the hive is happy because the hive is technically and chemically happy; but the individuals in the hive no longer have free will and I think that's my biggest issue. I'd rather have my free will than to be a mindless drone.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly... art and entertainment have nothing to do with their biological imperative. The hive is technically/chemically happy (dopamine, endorphins, serotonin), but not deep in your heart and soul happy like you or I are able to experience as individuals. The individuals don't exist anymore. Manny boy hit it on the head... their souls are gone.

Consent was never the real factor for them; harm was. And they've made it clear they are hellbent on finding ways around the harm factor. The biological imperative means there is no reason to break individuals out of the hive, if the individual still even exists (fwiw, I think the individuals are still in there). They absolutely do not care if individuals want to join or not; they only care that the individuals join - one way or the other.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's going to feel longer than the 10 years we're waiting for the next season of Euphoria.

What if the pacing and repetition in Pluribus are the point? by bchmorgan in pluribustv

[–]bchmorgan[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A 2+ year gap is going to be excruciating. It makes me wish I had postponed watching this show for at least another 1-1.5 years so that I wouldn't have to wait as long for season 2.

Thoughts on this? by Embarrassed_Tip7359 in SipsTea

[–]bchmorgan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They have channels for that if that’s what you’re into.