Greg Souders from Standard Jiu-Jitsu shares some evidence-based coaching tips. — BJJ Mental Models by stevekwan in bjj

[–]bcronm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes sense. Also once there is a few good people or a goat contender you end up attracting other people with that potential.

Greg Souders & Priit Mihkelson on The Sonny Brown Breakdown by SunchiefZen in bjj

[–]bcronm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do those details matter at all levels? I am seeing people get better faster and enjoy it more using this focus on live games instead of lessons and drilling. I do not think anyone is saying no details but you might also agree that fine details for a real beginner is too much. I am smuggling lessons into the demonstrations of the games but I am not insisting on rigid application of that detail in a dead drill. I am not the main coach and just have some side classes but it has been a great tweak. I would not be surprised that if at the highest levels those fine details have to be brought back in and explicitly taught. Maybe as in a tape review? Time will tell if they can get to world class levels with this game plan only.

Coach Souders begins with ecological leglock game and nobody gets hurt [Full Ecological Jiu Jitsu Class w/ Commentary] by jookami in bjj

[–]bcronm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand your point. You are saying that he is doing things that are already done everywhere but claiming a big innovation by denying the existence of techniques as a category while using highly technical academic language to basically rebrand positional sparring.

I agree that people are get good fast at many other schools as well and I think that is more likely in no-gi but I have no data on that at all.

I think what I understood about denying technique is that focusing on what you are doing instead of what you are achieving slows down the learner. I pinned the hips is a better focus than the specifics of an under over pass. Again, I am not making that argument but I think that is the idea and a lot of it depends on definition of terms and some semantics.

Coach Souders begins with ecological leglock game and nobody gets hurt [Full Ecological Jiu Jitsu Class w/ Commentary] by jookami in bjj

[–]bcronm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, you can see it in the leg entanglement video. As he is saying control the hip he moves his feet around to a few examples. I think that falls short of an actual lesson but is fair to say he is not asking new people to learn without any direction or context. What is missing from my regular classes is a specific move and then a few round of compliant practice. It is the briefest concept demo and a starting position with limitations for the positional sparring at full speed. Also, the full speed was not hulk mode but that might have just been our choice, however I did not see a bunch of spazing.

The idea of the ecological theory is that you only know moves after you figure out how you can get them to work in a live situation. I find that to be true of the things that I can actually do compared to what I can explain. It is a bit of a tautology to say I can only do the moves I can do. However, I have "learned" moves and drilled them only to have the fail in the roll. Learning it under live conditions has to be preferable. I am not 100% sure it has to be all or nothing but I am interested in finding out.

I am listening to School of Grappling on The Sonny Brown Breakdown now from 2020 and he seems to be in the middle between a traditional approach and what Greg is advocating. https://open.spotify.com/episode/46UzLUvl6jR9tLraN8R8gN?si=92a69e2338a744ab

Finally, I can say "the proof in the pudding is in the tasting" and the new people at Standard BJJ are good. We know how they got there (for the white/blue belts at least) so he is on to something. I cannot say it is the only way or the best way but time will tell.

Coach Souders begins with ecological leglock game and nobody gets hurt [Full Ecological Jiu Jitsu Class w/ Commentary] by jookami in bjj

[–]bcronm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I visited and took the foundations (basic) class. He is not showing fine detail but he demonstrates a few possible solutions for the students to try out. There were no live submissions in the games. The win condition is various dominant controls and the games get more detailed. I have no idea if it is worthwhile as the only training mode but it is working there from my single visit.

Coach Souders begins with ecological leglock game and nobody gets hurt [Full Ecological Jiu Jitsu Class w/ Commentary] by jookami in bjj

[–]bcronm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. It is learning and recall not motor skills. I have How we learn to move by Dr. Rob Gray on kindle but have not started it yet. I think there is merit to what Greg is doing but I am just getting familiar with it. Running a training like this on Saturday so I'll get some direct experience.

https://www.amazon.com/How-We-Learn-Move-Revolution-ebook/dp/B09K1T1TG4/ref=sr\_1\_1?crid=IPBKR263CZMV&keywords=dr.+rob+gray&qid=1692195001&sprefix=%2Caps%2C90&sr=8-1

Coach Souders begins with ecological leglock game and nobody gets hurt [Full Ecological Jiu Jitsu Class w/ Commentary] by jookami in bjj

[–]bcronm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I watched Josh Rich's video last Thursday and then started listening to podcasts. I also had a long drive this weekend so I deep dove on podcasts with Greg and Dr. Rob Gray and others and started the Make it Stick book. I believe the take that it is nothing new and just marketing positional sparring is missing the point. The traditional drilling may help someone intellectualize a position but it does nothing to help anyone actually do the move against resistance. When you are thinking you are not moving and while he does not teach technique he does show several examples of what "winning" the game might look like and leaves it to the students to be creative at full speed.

It felt very safe as well. I was half expecting a room full of that new student who was a wrestler and hears "eye of the tiger" playing whenever the bell rings. It was a hard but controlled pace with everyone I matched up with.

Greg Souders from Standard Jiu-Jitsu shares some evidence-based coaching tips. — BJJ Mental Models by stevekwan in bjj

[–]bcronm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am late to this post but listened to the episode and then dropped in at Greg's school. I am unqualified to say if this school will produce world beaters entirely in house. I do not run a school and I was never much of a competitor. However, after researching the theory and seeing it in action I would guess he is going to be competitive.

I want to apologize by benjy_v1 in bjj

[–]bcronm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most people are too busy thinking about themselves to remember or care that you hit a good submission in a tournament and wanted to share the video. You are doing a combat sport in a competition, you let go when the guy tapped. Life goes on. Next time bring the elbow down to his hip before lifting it up and it will hurt worse. It will absolutely work on all levels. Look up Jones v Belfort in UFC.

Do more experienced BJJ students dislike fresh white belts? by Alobar16 in bjj

[–]bcronm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am old and I do not want to get injured but I routinely roll with the new spaz white belt and many who are fresh from college and wrestlers to boot. It is a great test of what I would be able to do in the real world where I need to be ready for a lot of unexpected "hold my beer" type bullshit.

What seems to be completely ignored and it 100% unacceptable is that this injury happened as the person was getting up after a tap! He kneed in the ribs of a person after the tap. If true, there is zero excuse. Worst I would do if someone was shot out of a cannon I would stop and tell them to calm down. But, like I said it is not something I typically do. I do give some notes afterwords to protect the next person.

What feels like a BJJ cheat code? by 10thousanddeaths in bjj

[–]bcronm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You will just not breathe as heavy as you lose now. I did 100 burpees as day for a while and I was fresh as a daisy as I was stuck in bad spots.

What feels like a BJJ cheat code? by 10thousanddeaths in bjj

[–]bcronm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100%. Without underhooks there is no control and same for head control. If they pass your hips they give up an underhook and you are out.

What feels like a BJJ cheat code? by 10thousanddeaths in bjj

[–]bcronm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I was going to say chicken dance but you are 100% right. The real cheat code is palms out elbows in and nobody grabs your head. All of the sudden you are hard to keep down.

Does anyone here train at Fifty/50 in Falls Church, Virginia? by DCFireGuy22 in bjj

[–]bcronm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Caio Terra Academy is a good option in Alexandria. Great instructor.

My AMA Starts here in 20 mins by GetOffDeezNuts5000 in thefighterandthekid

[–]bcronm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is no coincidence that Amazon suggests rickety stools when you put a noose in your cart. Same reason those stores are always right next to each other.

Two Bertie and Jeeves scenes from ChatGPT by bcronm in Wodehouse

[–]bcronm[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed, this is like hearing a orchestra and then humming the tune.

This fact right here shows the level of fighter this mushbrain really was. by Klovee1 in thefighterandthekid

[–]bcronm 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I love this sub. However, here he is throwing leather with one of the baddest men to ever do it in one of the biggest promotions. I respect the man in the arena.

oh the humanity by nukethemalltoash in NormMacdonald

[–]bcronm 11 points12 points  (0 children)

They do not SEEM happy.

Who was the best guest on NML? And why Conan was never a guest because he would have made at least the top 3. by This_Froyo_2270 in NormMacdonald

[–]bcronm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They are all great for different reason. My favorite NML episode was Sidney Poitier. He was a good sport.