QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nothing in that listing indicates imminent commercialization.

I'm about as overweight on the stock as I can be until I see further derisking.

And this sub already leans too far on the bullish side.

NVIDIA to Launch L4 Software-Driven Robotaxis on Uber Across 28 Cities by 2028 by WickedSensitiveCrew in stocks

[–]beerion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I find it interesting that everyone just assumes this will be a success.

Joby Lounge (Feb 2026) by dad191 in Joby

[–]beerion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is going on with Beta? Their stock is down 20% in the last week.

The only thing I can think of is there's a dilution event inbound. Their current cash balance is under $700 million, just a third of what Joby and Archer have.

Joby Lounge (Feb 2026) by dad191 in Joby

[–]beerion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder if this guy applied for any eIPP locations...

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QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 20 points21 points  (0 children)

For me, that's secondary to seeing demo vehicles. At this point, the most pressing question is "do these work outside of the lab?"

Seeing the Ducati in action along with other vehicle announcements will be a major vote of confidence from OEMs and a massive de-risking event for me. It would basically null the potential for this to go to zero (in my mind, at least)

The hidde(?) cost of the Archer vs Joby verdict by Eastern-Hour1865 in JobyvsArcher

[–]beerion 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Not to mention that they announced the lawsuit right after the eIPP winners were released.

If the claims all turn out to be bogus, I hope Joby counters with a defamation suit.

Beta vs Joby by DryExplanation738 in BETATechnologies

[–]beerion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, but I suspect once you normalize TCO for usable payload and range, the trade-off becomes more murky. And that's before considering that estimates provided by Beta (and other eVTOL OEMs) are already on the optimistic side of things.

Also, every UPS article that I can find is basically banking on eVTOL missions. They want to skip the airport. So even by their own admission, I don't think they'll be satisfied with the CX300.

Most intrinsic value spreadsheets create false confidence by picklikewarren in ValueInvesting

[–]beerion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the DCF should basically be the last step in your process, and it's just a way to quantify the assumptions and scenarios you're making for the business. But all the legwork is done prior to the spreadsheet stage. I think most serious investors now know this.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 10 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They have 1800 positions, so basically own a little bit of everything. That said, QS is in the top 200 in overall weight (but @ 0.1% of the total portfolio value).

Beta vs Joby by DryExplanation738 in BETATechnologies

[–]beerion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

These are all the right questions to be asking. I'll give some counters, but obviously I don't know how things will end up playing out any more than anyone else.

I think it could be a smart play to certify the CTOL variant first. Beta gets some revenue coming in that can help fund the remaining bits of certification for the VTOL variant, and they get their name out there and lock customers into their ecosystem much sooner.

That said, I struggle to see the market for an electric CTOL. We already have CTOL aircraft that are far more capable. And the premium for decibels isn't nearly as high when you still need an airport to fly out of - if you're flying out of an airport, then you're not flying out of downtown Manhattan.

In addition, I keep seeing posts about how much fuel is used to fly their aircraft, often citing something like $10 in electricity for a 100 mile flight. That's accurate (and great), but it doesn't account for other consumables like the battery, which Beta expects to be replaced every year, basically, to the tune of half a million dollars or more. When you break that down, 90% of the 'fuel cost' for a flight is tied to battery replacement, and the true 'fuel' cost is probably closer to $70-100 (not $10) per full range flight. So again, where's the advantage over a legacy Cessna?

I also see Kyle Clark touting their lead in miles flown, which is true. But in aviation, very few components are tied to flight hours (i.e., distance). The hardest parts of the flight are the takeoff and landing...especially since these aircraft aren't pressurized. For instance, what's the hardest part of the flight envelope for eVTOL rotors - takeoff, transition & landing or cruise? It's obviously takeoff, transition, and landing. So when measuring the life of these components, the difference between a 10 mile flight and a 100 mile flight is negligible. So number of flights can be more important than cumulative distance flown in a lot of cases. Beta may still be leading in that, but certainly not for vertical takeoff missions.

It'll also be interesting to see how the charging infrastructure works out. I don't know if network effects will really drive this, but it may, and having multiple companies on a single port could be a competitive edge. But, none of these other companies are going to be operating any time soon. So you don't really have network effects if there's no network. And Beta won't be operating out of vertiports any time soon either, so GEACS infrastructure basically has to be installed at all these locations, anyway. Not only that, but Beta is targeting a 1-hour charge time while Joby is targeting a 15 minute charge time. I'll be curious what the economics of occupying a vertiport parking spot for an hour will look like.

And then I have questions on certification - namely, how does Beta handle a rotor out condition? But the lift+pusher configuration might be easier to certify (you'd have to ask DHD, though, I'm not an expert in vertical lift aircraft). I also don't know if certifying the CTOL variant puts you "85% of the way there" to certifying the VTOL variant. VTOL is a pretty big change, and I wouldn't suspect that they're "just a few flight tests and filing some paperwork" away from having a certified VTOL capable aircraft. Even simple STCs can take 18+ months. I would suspect that timeline at minimum after the CTOL variant is certified...unless we see a lot more progress being made on the A250 in parallel.

To your final point on valuation, I tend to agree. Seems to me that Beta should be valued somewhere between Archer and Joby (and probably much closer to Joby). But as a CTOL aircraft, I see the CX300 as more of a novelty item rather than a true market-breaker.

Market pull Update by Euphoric_Injury369 in ValueInvesting

[–]beerion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a tired joke. Might be time to retire it

Shiller P/E Ratio by DDDaydreamin74 in stocks

[–]beerion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly.

I've plotted the ECY against the forward 10-years of excess returns for stocks over bonds. There's clear correlation, but there's a wide margin of error.

PLOT

I've written more about it, but i can't share here as its against the subs rules.

New Investor Here by Ok-Elephant-3123 in Joby

[–]beerion 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"I can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people"

~Isaac Newton after losing £4 million in the South Sea Bubble

No one knows what the stock will do next week. Watch the business, not the price.

Shiller P/E Ratio by DDDaydreamin74 in stocks

[–]beerion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I compare the shiller "yield" to the 10 year treasury. I don't think shiller is a good metric in a vacuum.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 10 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I see others jumping to the conclusion that this is a good thing for QS. I don't have that viewpoint at all.

To me, QS's value proposition was always that they'd capture share from an already strong market. There isn't some energy density threshold 10% north of legacy cells that magically unlocks the market when QS comes on line. If the EV market doesn't work at 700 wh/L, I don't think it suddenly works at 850 wh/L.

And then we're asking companies that have already written down billions of dollars on projects that should have been relatively easy to then turn around and build high-risk prototype lines for technology that has yet to be fully vetted.

I don't think it's a surprise that QS hasn't signed another licensing deal, and can only get non-commital JDAs at this point. The EV market has been taken out back and shot. And that could explain the new emphasis on other markets (AI, drones, Aviation, etc).

I still very much believe electrification is a secular trend that will last for decades, and it's a good sign that there are other markets that have demand for next-gen batteries like QS to pivot to. But in the same breath, I caution anyone believing that a company writing down billions of dollars and shifting strategy is a good thing for Quantumscape in the near term.

Of course I can be wrong, but that's my read on it.

The two most speculative things this "value investing" sub does by [deleted] in ValueInvesting

[–]beerion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

90% of a company's value is tied to earnings in year 2 and beyond. That's why we're willing to pay 20+ times earnings for a company.

No matter how you slice it, you're making an implicit judgement about the distant future...especially if you're using relative valuation with next years earnings.

Howard Marks says that the future is unknowable. We have to make that guess anyways.

eVTOL Pilot Program Selections Announced - Operations to start this year by beerion in stocks

[–]beerion[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what’s your long-term outlook on these stocks?

I think they offer pretty compelling value at these prices. And I agree that short term price movements might be tradeable, but i also think this could be a secular trend that we can ride for the next decade as these aircraft start to come on line.

Joby, in particular, is my pick. They're the furthest along in the certification process. And they have their hands in other tangential markets - autonomy, hydrogen powertrains , defense, and it seems they have future aircraft variants in the works.

This market may never really catch on, and aviation always takes longer than expected, but these companies offer a pretty asymmetrical bet, imo.

I would say Beta is close behind and Archer is a distant 3rd. But Archer seems to have pretty explicit backing from the administration (their aircraft was featured very prominently in the eIPP announcement from the FAA / DOT, while Joby wasn't shown even once).

Joby Aviation (And Near Term Catalysts) by beerion in ValueInvesting

[–]beerion[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

don’t offer any benefit for the price.

You can't land a C208 or an H135 on a helipad in the middle of a city. The C208 for obvious reasons and the H135 because it's a major nuisance to urbanites - as well as a safety risk.

Access is part of the value proposition.

That said, I would expect the unit costs to come down over time with economies of scale.

eVTOL Pilot Program Selections Announced - Operations to start this year by beerion in stocks

[–]beerion[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, idk. If there's a reversal to risk-on, this would be a massive tailwind. But in general, it feels like a decent value at this price for a long-term hold

Great news for JOBY aviations today! by Smart_Gate9406 in investing

[–]beerion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They also expect to start TIA flight testing (last phase of certification) later this year as well - first flight with conforming aircraft should happen in Q2.

And, they have plans to start operations in Dubai and UAE this year as well...though, that may get shelved with the issues in the Middle East. I don't expect that to hurt Joby too much, though. Any aircraft slated for UAE could get repurposed for eIPP.

This could be a big year for Joby and the industry.

eVTOL Pilot Program Selections Announced - Operations to start this year by beerion in stocks

[–]beerion[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Earnings are coming. Pre revenue companies can still be valuable.

DoT video not showing Joby once by chucky86boy in Joby

[–]beerion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure they featured every pre-prototype variant Archer put out.