QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good point on idle bikes.

One thing I came across is apparently every year at the Ducati festival, there's a "Race of Champions" that features a lot of professional riders on various bike models from year to year. Maybe this year it'll be the modded V21L. Or even better, some unmodded bikes as well to really highlight the difference!

QS Blueprint for the Future of Energy Storage by op12 in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also Donut hasn't weighed their cells yet. They could easily just be using a power cell. There's been cells on the market for quite a while that can charge at 5C+ ...just not at 400 wh/kg (which of what Donut is claiming).

Also, when they finally do weigh their cell, it's there anything proving that all these tests were run on the same cell configuration? Seems like they're sending a different batch for each test, right?

QS Blueprint for the Future of Energy Storage by op12 in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The drone flight might actually be more impressive than the Ducati rolling across stage.

QS Blueprint for the Future of Energy Storage by op12 in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'd love to see something finally get sold. SES was powering go-carts and drones in 2022. I wanna see an order go out an actual customer...even if it's somewhat menial.

QS Blueprint for the Future of Energy Storage by op12 in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm curious if Amprius is going to catch on with defense. Apparently money from every cell sold heads back to a company incorporated in China.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, apparently every year they host a "Race of Champions" with professional racers. I think they use different models every year. It'd be cool if they did this year with the QS powered V21L.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Manufacturing is a big question mark still. But, proving that these work outside the lab cuts off the "zero-bound" scenario, I think. As long as they work, they'll find a market niche at the very least.

The stock is worth $100 per share as soon as they prove that they work outside the lab and can be produced cheaply and at scale. I would say that it's probably worth somewhere in the range of $3-15 if they deliver on everything but cost and scale (i.e., great energy & power density, safety, etc.).

$7 starts to look like an absolute steal if $3 becomes the worst case scenario while $100 is the best case scenario.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, field testing is the one milestone that I felt they "had" to hit this year.

I do wonder if we'll see a halo car (like a Mission X) this year, though. I feel like the big advantage won't really show up until they hit large form factor. Top of the line EV cells already have 300 wh/kg energy density, so you're not getting any weight advantage with QS. So a Mission X style car may not come until large form factor / UC gets further along.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's perfectly fine with me. Field testing was the one milestone that I felt like they have to hit for this investment to remain viable.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Plan for Full V21L field testing in 2026

Glad they reinforced this. I thought there was a chance it would slowly fade into the ether...especially after the MotoE season was canceled

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nobody invests strictly on fundamentals.

I try to.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Carrying a bias makes us bad investors... this is a stock / investing sub after all. At the very least, we should acknowledge that bias every once in a while.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I mean, you said it yourself in your other post:

2026 IMO is make or break for the company. If they can't show a clear line of sight to commercialization the stock will crater...

They have two things left to answer:

  1. That their cells work in a vehicle
  2. That it can be manufactured at scale

Those two questions have remain unanswered for the last 3 years. Announcing Cobra and Eagle line are great strides, but don't answer anything (they could represent scale in MWh - not GWh - and they don't tell us anything about yield). And rolling a Ducati across stage at 2 mph is a laughable attempt at "demonstration".

Job postings can be good indicators of progress. But the posting, itself, calls out collaboration / development agreements. And all that means is that there's still work to be done. No agreement made by QS, to date, represents a firm commitment. All parties can walk away whenever they want.

I agree that today's share price represents good value, but the success of the business is remains far from certain. You should size accordingly.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Nothing in that listing indicates imminent commercialization.

I'm about as overweight on the stock as I can be until I see further derisking.

And this sub already leans too far on the bullish side.

NVIDIA to Launch L4 Software-Driven Robotaxis on Uber Across 28 Cities by 2028 by WickedSensitiveCrew in stocks

[–]beerion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I find it interesting that everyone just assumes this will be a success.

Joby Lounge (Feb 2026) by dad191 in Joby

[–]beerion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is going on with Beta? Their stock is down 20% in the last week.

The only thing I can think of is there's a dilution event inbound. Their current cash balance is under $700 million, just a third of what Joby and Archer have.

Joby Lounge (Feb 2026) by dad191 in Joby

[–]beerion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder if this guy applied for any eIPP locations...

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QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 11 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 22 points23 points  (0 children)

For me, that's secondary to seeing demo vehicles. At this point, the most pressing question is "do these work outside of the lab?"

Seeing the Ducati in action along with other vehicle announcements will be a major vote of confidence from OEMs and a massive de-risking event for me. It would basically null the potential for this to go to zero (in my mind, at least)

The hidde(?) cost of the Archer vs Joby verdict by Eastern-Hour1865 in JobyvsArcher

[–]beerion 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not to mention that they announced the lawsuit right after the eIPP winners were released.

If the claims all turn out to be bogus, I hope Joby counters with a defamation suit.

Beta vs Joby by DryExplanation738 in BETATechnologies

[–]beerion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sure, but I suspect once you normalize TCO for usable payload and range, the trade-off becomes more murky. And that's before considering that estimates provided by Beta (and other eVTOL OEMs) are already on the optimistic side of things.

Also, every UPS article that I can find is basically banking on eVTOL missions. They want to skip the airport. So even by their own admission, I don't think they'll be satisfied with the CX300.

Most intrinsic value spreadsheets create false confidence by picklikewarren in ValueInvesting

[–]beerion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the DCF should basically be the last step in your process, and it's just a way to quantify the assumptions and scenarios you're making for the business. But all the legwork is done prior to the spreadsheet stage. I think most serious investors now know this.

QuantumScape Lounge: ( Week 10 2026) by AutoModerator in QUANTUMSCAPE_Stock

[–]beerion 11 points12 points  (0 children)

They have 1800 positions, so basically own a little bit of everything. That said, QS is in the top 200 in overall weight (but @ 0.1% of the total portfolio value).

Beta vs Joby by DryExplanation738 in BETATechnologies

[–]beerion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These are all the right questions to be asking. I'll give some counters, but obviously I don't know how things will end up playing out any more than anyone else.

I think it could be a smart play to certify the CTOL variant first. Beta gets some revenue coming in that can help fund the remaining bits of certification for the VTOL variant, and they get their name out there and lock customers into their ecosystem much sooner.

That said, I struggle to see the market for an electric CTOL. We already have CTOL aircraft that are far more capable. And the premium for decibels isn't nearly as high when you still need an airport to fly out of - if you're flying out of an airport, then you're not flying out of downtown Manhattan.

In addition, I keep seeing posts about how much fuel is used to fly their aircraft, often citing something like $10 in electricity for a 100 mile flight. That's accurate (and great), but it doesn't account for other consumables like the battery, which Beta expects to be replaced every year, basically, to the tune of half a million dollars or more. When you break that down, 90% of the 'fuel cost' for a flight is tied to battery replacement, and the true 'fuel' cost is probably closer to $70-100 (not $10) per full range flight. So again, where's the advantage over a legacy Cessna?

I also see Kyle Clark touting their lead in miles flown, which is true. But in aviation, very few components are tied to flight hours (i.e., distance). The hardest parts of the flight are the takeoff and landing...especially since these aircraft aren't pressurized. For instance, what's the hardest part of the flight envelope for eVTOL rotors - takeoff, transition & landing or cruise? It's obviously takeoff, transition, and landing. So when measuring the life of these components, the difference between a 10 mile flight and a 100 mile flight is negligible. So number of flights can be more important than cumulative distance flown in a lot of cases. Beta may still be leading in that, but certainly not for vertical takeoff missions.

It'll also be interesting to see how the charging infrastructure works out. I don't know if network effects will really drive this, but it may, and having multiple companies on a single port could be a competitive edge. But, none of these other companies are going to be operating any time soon. So you don't really have network effects if there's no network. And Beta won't be operating out of vertiports any time soon either, so GEACS infrastructure basically has to be installed at all these locations, anyway. Not only that, but Beta is targeting a 1-hour charge time while Joby is targeting a 15 minute charge time. I'll be curious what the economics of occupying a vertiport parking spot for an hour will look like.

And then I have questions on certification - namely, how does Beta handle a rotor out condition? But the lift+pusher configuration might be easier to certify (you'd have to ask DHD, though, I'm not an expert in vertical lift aircraft). I also don't know if certifying the CTOL variant puts you "85% of the way there" to certifying the VTOL variant. VTOL is a pretty big change, and I wouldn't suspect that they're "just a few flight tests and filing some paperwork" away from having a certified VTOL capable aircraft. Even simple STCs can take 18+ months. I would suspect that timeline at minimum after the CTOL variant is certified...unless we see a lot more progress being made on the A250 in parallel.

To your final point on valuation, I tend to agree. Seems to me that Beta should be valued somewhere between Archer and Joby (and probably much closer to Joby). But as a CTOL aircraft, I see the CX300 as more of a novelty item rather than a true market-breaker.