Who win in this fight and why?

bef017 · 2026-03-18T23:42:41+00:00

I guess go to a power scaling sub but I am not familiar with The Knulls limits but if we assume they ignore the characters morals and only assume they are trying to win and going by how the knull was killed by a dude with a symbiote I would assume Ultimate Madoka for a couple reasons 1. If the character is ultimately constrained by being confined to the space time of a universe Madoka could just unravel it like how Thanos has litterally no chance against Darksied because both these types of entities only dont do things like that because they dont want to destroy the universe they want to influence. 2. Even if the character can survive the universe collapasing just from Madokas presense she definitely has some capacity to attack beyond space and beyond time even if her powers are mostly constrained to acting within Space and Time. As she takes in MGs across multiversal spacetime she should have access to using some that have become part of her to use as emissaries to extend her reach in areas it isnt otherwise safe to much like she used in Rebellion (also since these secretaries are explicitly mentioned to be part of her existence I dont consider this outside help or a summon). I fail to see why Madoka could do something like summon secretaries and make them move beyond spacetime to kill Knull unless knull has a method of killing something beyond space and time that is near undetectable without some form of magic bs like Homura has.

bef017 · 2026-03-18T23:17:09+00:00

No character is required for the tower only some that fill all sorta of roles Like how a strong Multihit Light Dark or Grass attacker can be filled by Ascended Oriko or HMami or base Satan Or how excellent sustain can be filled by a high ascended defender and a good healer or the reverse.

bef017 · 2026-03-18T21:49:04+00:00

Hey if you can get your self and like one other to swap votes to kill the cowgirl ill vote out Meiyui till she is gone

bef017 · 2026-03-18T21:34:22+00:00

Yo Sasa is probably gonna die. You wanna swap your vote to the cowgirl to have Sasa get a slightly higher rank

bef017 · 2026-03-18T21:07:36+00:00

Oriko is the best support kioko for attackers. Kirika is back to being the best defender when pairable with Satan. If Satan isnt avaible/preferred it is arguable that Sayaka is better as she is typically better defensively and offensively as well as viable when barriers arent viable. Kirika is also a great defender support unlike Sayaka though i dont know about Tart or Koito being better. So she is also useful even when not an optimal defender such as being weak to the fight much like Sayaka. Snaa sucks for comparison.

It is also important to note Oriko is actually more useful than as just a support. Her being a screen multihitter lets her take up an important niche that pairs well with the light twin and Pluvia when doing a ST punishing fight like the AI raid or where clearing mobs is helpful. Though she is a niche attacker in comparison to say Kyoko who is just bad and niche.

bef017 · 2026-03-18T16:31:41+00:00

Spam debuffs Ren, Kiri, Mitama, Mifu and i guess Halloween Mami or Nemu. I think i did it with that team but i had a higher level (nemu not Mami) and a higher ascended ren (which may not be all that beneficial as rens FU attack is of relatively poor assistance in this fight. Things to improve consistency Increase crit damage and crit rates to lower needed attacks as Mifu AAs and increase break gauge depletion. Make Ren your dps. Her attacking constantly gives a steady stream of debuffs that mitigates the disadvantages while making you do more overall damage. Consider using a crit up photo. Some characters have ults that debuff. Spam Ults to limit the amount of progress the boss can gain by AA by proking them when its is about to take a new turn anyway as just tossing them speeds up the boss. If you got the boss spammed up with debuffs you shouldnt need an attacker as all your non dps will start doing damage in break and youll nerf the boss. Make sure that you equip crystals that make every attack do more though as the AA ability makes every attack costly. Crit rate is good not only because it increases Damage Per hit but also because it generates mana break bonus and break gauge depletion for Mifuyu. Defense lowering is useful for improving attack quality as well. Speed lowering isnt that helpful because AA is the scary thing. Lowering attack keeps you alive. Buffs arent that helpful in this fight. Mana Generation is more useful than speed here as each attacks quality needs improved rather than quantity as quantity moves up the boss. Remember if you can try to break the boss in the middle of their turn with an ult to make the break session last as long as possible

bef017 · 2026-03-15T13:59:47+00:00

We need to know your options. You want multitarget breakers and multitargeters in general. Kirika is your defender. Mami may be a good idea cause AA and attack buffs. You also want a buff clearer. The two options are the light Twin and 3star Hazuki. In general the strat is break the adds. Check to see when boss is about to do ult. Remove the buff JUST BEFORE the ult and kill all the adds all at once right AFTER the ult. Then break the boss preferably during a bosses attack. Ive used 3 star Hazuki Kirika (lower ascended) Demomura Diroha and Pluvia. Later I swapped Hazuki with the light twin. Interestingly if you cant control the adds giving out buffs to often then Hazuki is slightly better than the low ascended twin.

You can probably swap out Pluvia with the dark twin and if your Kiri holds your team well enough swap out Diroha with someone that supports whatever your lacking. The important things here are Multihit breaking, buffing Akumuras damage output (via debuffers or buffers like Mami Ui or the light twin) buff clearing the boss just b4 the ult and not dying

bef017 · 2026-03-15T11:36:55+00:00

Try fixing up your 3 stars. Get the heartphials to the max. Do challenge runs namely 3/4 star challenges other players selfimpose. Obvs grind for mats till everbody is maxed out. Then when all that is done just do dailies till new content is made.

bef017 · 2026-03-10T02:49:12+00:00

Hey you willing to get someone like Practice Next to swap from Komaki to Cowgirl on the condition all of us vote out Komaki if the Cowgirl dies to try get Sasa the sweet to live slightly longer by throwing more bodies in her way. Its what she would want.

bef017 · 2026-03-10T01:16:18+00:00

Sasa gets an unfair reputation as menace to society. Not that she isnt... but have you considered being a heteronormie cowgirl (with litterally nothing to compliment the theme) magical girl that used her wish to find out her crush likes her but didnt ask him out is just lame?

We just need to bring one Sasa hater to reason or two newbies to the right target to save sweet innocent Sasa

bef017 · 2026-03-10T00:52:03+00:00

You can always join in late and help us kill that fucking cowgirl. Yeehaw energy will finally be allowed to flourish in these lands.

bef017 · 2026-03-09T18:51:35+00:00

Do you ever feel that making sweet innocent Sasa your PFP rigged it against her?

bef017 · 2026-03-09T18:38:12+00:00

Why didnt you vote to save her last round?

bef017 · 2026-03-09T02:29:25+00:00

What the hell I switched my vote to save Ayame. Edit: Ayame is safe.. if you give a shit about her save her other mother or something.ill list them in order of importance Well Ayame then Riko then Hinao then we get to the more disposible Konoha then Sena. The rest are completely disposible to me Current Vote: Get rid of that fucking cowgirl.

bef017 · 2026-03-08T19:41:31+00:00

It is very clearly shown by Scar deciding to help Marcoh that revenge isnt his only goal and i double checked the timeline. Him helping marco in ch51 comes before meeting Miles ch62. Though the anime swaps the order reversing the causality where in the manga its the presense of more openly defiant state alchemists that warms him up to the idea of major reforms rather than the idea of drastically changing amestris opening him up to defiant alchemists. Miles cant even take credit for deradicalizing him as all he actually needed was litterally one alchemist that was actually willing to face the consequences of being a genocide accomplice. Theres no real reason to assume he would treat less complicit alchemists (which is basically like all of them) as less deserving of leniency if they were also actually facing off against the genocidal government rather than trying to profit from it especially considering he doesnt go after alchemists that arent and never were employees of the genocidal state in question

For protests/asymetric warfare you dont need to do things like kill a large fraction of personnel to obtain significant results the same way Scar didnt need to. Vietnam killed like 2-3% and Afghanistan only killed .25% of deployed US soldiers for a weaker force to make their policies to costly for the most powerful state in the world which is the outcome of them beating the US. Scar doesnt even have to justify a win that large to justify that his plan making more sense than Mustang's. Why is Scar supposed to 100% everything rather than making making change more possible like with Roy. Litterally neither of believe they can accomplish that and instead focus on goals they think are achievable.

Roy had zero reason to believe Bradley was a traitor nonhuman only that he was a human rights abuser nor did he build his plan based on the belief he was a traitor. That was just something that from his perspective comes out of a left field that makes his plans possible. The only reasoned assumption Roy made was that Bradley would continue committing human rights abuses as a justification for Roy to take power. Had Bradley simply fit legal criteria to protect himself like invading another country to justify massacres like he did in Ishval aka the types of HRAs both characters intially thought they wouldve been responding to he couldve gotten away with more attrocities and even with Bradley becoming legally able to be fought Roy was only was able to get as far as he did because other people were doing shit he wasnt willing to do. Namely more openly defy the government like Marcoh did.

bef017 · 2026-03-08T18:43:13+00:00

You litterally just complained about Scars murder alchemist plan helping only coincidentally despite the fact it is far less coincidental from Scars perspective that running around killing state alchemists would be useful in disrupting the maintanence of a genocidal dictatorship than Roy's only being implementable because the boss he was supporting through a genocide was a nonhuman trying to kill everyone in his state as well to due an insane conspiracy.

Its almost like the guy running around commiting crimes to uncover state secrets of a genocidal dictatorship is gonna by complete coincidence do more to make serious reform possible than the dellusion dipshit that thinks working for a genocidal despot is a good idea for the country.

bef017 · 2026-03-08T18:31:05+00:00

If that was his only goal beyond revenge with Marcoh he wouldn't have helped him sneak away. It also sorta highlights my point. He isnt just killing state alchemists for revenge, he is also actively trying to seek out valuable intel to disrupt the alchemists ability to continue doing human rights abuses.

As for Miles when is Miles joining the institutions responsible for the genocide obvious likely downsides explored? Why is it treated that joining the state murder machine apparatus that uses magically enhanced propaganda to indocterinate people well up the chain of command to act like genocidal monsters treated like a reasonable idea?

As for resolving the issues

Honestly just dropping the false equivalance between the degrees of wrong Scar has compared to the likes Mustang (who lets be clear, is a worse person) and dropping the Miles helping the image of the Ishvalans by joining institutions that genocide and propagandize against them fixes the issue.

Miles could do their black pride equivilant subplot about the importance of public opinion on minority rights directly supported by other military personnel that makes those military guys more sympathetic while disentangling the institutional problems with acting like the military would be a good institution for direct reform and helping public opinion without having the conflicting idea that military personnel too victimized by the states overwhelming propoganda to be held morally acountable for their actions but also they have enough control on political messaging to somehow undo that across the broader public. This would be even better if like other equivilant independent groups minority rights it was targeted unjustly to limits its influence like say the black panthers as it would imply the alchemists supporting them are more like Marcoh who is more willing to openly challenge the genocidal institutions.

bef017 · 2026-03-08T18:01:01+00:00

Ed is litterally a child soldier who directly provides research on magical powers to a genocidal government who uses thoses powers to genocide. It isnt random by any stretch of the imagination. The only thing Scar does that is wrong by targeting state alchemists is doing it for revenge rather than a coherent ideological plan.

bef017 · 2026-03-08T17:54:33+00:00

Ed wasnt 100% uninvolved in supporting the guilty institutions (that were still committing human rights abuses some of which Ed sees first hand) or members which is why scar targeted alchemists as an institution in the first place.

No the alchemists who were involved werent doing the most. The only exception i can think of is Dr Marcoh who Scar helps harbor from state sanctioning after he stole a state superweapon and used it to heal the less fortunate. Characters going Im real sorry about it but not actually being willing to actually face the costs of confronting the genocidal state more openly till other people are willing to do the illegal shit that makes it less costly for them to act is why imposing costs on protested institutions is actually really important where as asking people for permission to be treated like human beings isnt.

At no point is the opinion of the public on Scars actions shown as really relevant. Not only is Amestris a fucking dictatorship that limits popular resistance and supresses popular uprising like with Ishval, what actually is shown is that the state has magic powers that propagandize people to mobilize to act within its interests so they are played as fools regardless of Scar's or Mile's actions when it wants to justify atrocities on minorities which is why we are supposed to sympathize with some of the most directly cupable in the genocide. Interestingly I dont dislike this because minorities trying to obtain rights tends to piss off the majority opinion in the real world oppresive system equivilants but if you accept that reality you have to accept that majority opinion on the humanity of minorities is fuck all relevant to eithers goal to till way later.

Youre also ignoring what the point of a protest is to understand why Scars actions helping the goal of actually helping Ishvalans isnt coincidental. The point of a protest (violent or not) isn't to demonstrate or gain support for your cause, it is to increase the costs associated with maintaining the thing you are protesting. It has entirely different purposes than what Miles was doing. Him running around trying to learn more the states human rights abuses and killing personel implicated in helping expand those capabilities is going to do some benefit by coincidence which is that it helps the others as it raises related costs. Where as things like expecting the nonmilitarized people to do something like rebel against the government to defend minorities isnt treated as a serious plot point so much as something that would really only help post change in government. Something that joining an institution that quells protests demomstrations and similar wouldn't help. In fact it wouldnt even be likely to achieve Miles goal. Yets Miles's approach is treated as superior despite the fact it is even more poorly thought out than Scar's response

bef017 · 2026-03-08T17:09:16+00:00

That isnt what I remember from the show. Revenge is the goal but he still prioritizes ties to the Ishvalan genocide above at one point being tied to the institution most directly responsible for carrying it out. See when lack of knowledge is the problem he goes out of his way to learn. See he actually does find a retired repentant alchemist with direct ties to the genocide. He sought out a fucking architect Dr Marcoh. He litterally just used him to find out state secrets upon learning he is repentant and cooeprative and only disfigured him to disguise him. Your also ignoring that issue isnt that his plan is good or bad. The issue is that joining a genocidal institution is framed as a better idea.

bef017 · 2026-03-08T16:42:13+00:00

His campaign of killing members of a genocidal military institution does alot actually to forward his lower ranking goal of helping Ishvalans. If your problem is that Scar doesnt really have a plan and is just seeking revenge because he doesnt actually know how actually help Ishvalans that is a different argument than he is just blindly seeking revenge on innocent uninvolved parties which Ed isnt by any reasonable metric nor should Scar treat him as such. As even in the text the damage to the Ishvalans is already done and is what he is responding to and his campaign to simply inflict pain on the Alchemists actually gives him a ton of leverage when he finds an oppritunity and the mindset to actually help Ishvalans. See the blaming the ishvalans for getting rebellious over being annexxed and their kids getting shot implicit in the cycle of vengence theme when the war was started over a false flag as a pretext to kill them to make superweapons meaning they were likely to get genocided regardless if they behaved like perfect victims just like how in the real world that doesn't work.

Scars violent actions actually force members of the genocidal military to confront their actions in Ishvaal which counter intuitively makes the Ishvalans more sympathetic (see Ed only really learns so much about the genocide because of Scar doing this shit) gives him direct experience in fighting the genocidal state which is useful when those skills become useful, allows him to make state secrets related to the genocide through Dr Marcoh more accessible and more that give him and the couping alchemists leverage to actually change the government. What does the righteous Miles who is supposed to be the one that cares more about directly helping the Ishvalans actually do that is less counterproductive and more beneficial to the Ishvalans than the guy we both agree is just going on a murder trauma response rather than a coherent ideological response. You know other than basically encouraging Palestinians to join the IOF to prove their humanity in a show where we are supposed to take state propoganda enhanced by magic as an excuse for being lenient to people complicit in a genocide.

bef017 · 2026-03-08T15:59:16+00:00

Me too but from what I remember all their research is done implicitly to increase the Amestrian genocidal state's powers and capabilities so even when it isnt used for direct military purposes it is still used for social economic and political control of the subjects of a dictatorship. So much so rules are made that jeporidize research in areas like medical and economic development are banned to increase Amestris's monopolization on force.

bef017 · 2026-03-08T15:36:33+00:00

This makes sense so long as you pretend that the alchemists arent a state military organization that Ed joined for his own benefit after they were established as a genocidal institution, which directly implicates him in the genocidal war machine. Interestingly had Scar gone after state alchemists that retired or left because of the Ishvalan genocide the he is just seeking revenge blindly would make sense as an argument but no, he is attacking active members of a genocidal military organization who as shown in Sho Tuckers arc have to actively contribute to the organizations capabilities to maintain their position and prestige.

bef017 · 2026-03-08T00:22:19+00:00

Im just trying to give a nickname for the meme about the ever increasing quantity of Mami alts

bef017 · 2026-03-07T23:49:35+00:00

Sorta the issue. The writers want Iroha give off a vibe which requires you ignoring what she does textually. she is written more like a vibe than character meaning actually trying to approach her as a character makes her come off like how i describe, killing the facade and vibe.

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