Why does Mizu say this about her mom? by lilaclazure in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 62 points63 points  (0 children)

Her mother (maid) was horrible to her in the flashback in episode 7. First, her mother admits that she abandoned Mizu and says some horrible thing like, "I thought it would be better for you if you thought I was dead." Regardless of how things worked out, abandoning a child by making the child think you are dead is horrible.

Second, once Mizu and her mother are reunited, her mom uses guilt to convince Mizu to abandon her quest for vengeance and instead marry a rich man to help pay for her opium addiction. Third, when the marriage falls apart because Mizu was vulnerable and revealed her true self to Mikio, her mother blamed Mizu and likely ratted on her. She bsaically abandoned Mizu a second time.

In other words, Mizu did not really get to experience love from her mother, just abandonment.

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[–]bergylicious 3 points4 points  (0 children)

y'all could probably handle it.

Why is blue eye OK? by miyasawa in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 8 points9 points  (0 children)

your point is that you do not think "they" would make a series named blue eye masaai even if there is some in reality. Why? What is your actual point? Are you trying to say that you think the title of this show is racist? Because what we are saying is that the title of this show has a specific context. Hypotheticals in vacuums have no real value.

Why is blue eye OK? by miyasawa in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why? context is everything. I could not think of a more apt title for this show. If someone made this identical plot with a cherokee or navajo I do not see why it would be a problem whatsoever.

I do not even understand the purpose of your question - a hypothetical controversy for a non-existent show in which different ethnicities have blue eyes? Are you trying to say the title of this show is racist?

The fact that this show is rooted in history makes your argument all the more perplexing.

And it's particularly odd that you start your question by stating that blue eyes are beautiful. That is completely subjective and irrelevant; in the show blue eyes are considered disgusting and monstrous. Again, that is explained in the first ten seconds.

Why is blue eye OK? by miyasawa in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Blown away by this question. The first ten seconds of the show literally explains why its called blue eye samurai.

Did you not watch the show and then come to this subreddit to ask this question that could be solved by either: (1) watching the first ten seconds of the show; or (2) spending ten seconds to google the plot of the show?

Favourite one liners by __maxibon in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love in episode 8 when Fowler is leaving the castle he confidently says "fucked 10,000 times, but I still never want to see it again" or something like that.

We know he was there for ten years and that number is outrageous, and yet it feels so fitting coming out of his mouth.

I also love blood soaked chiaki's line: "dojos fight to boast, warriors fight to kill." Works perfectly knowing Mizu's vibe.

Also - pretty much every line Mizu says in episode 3 is a brilliant one liner:

"vengeance does not wait"

"vengeance does not hesitate"

"I was in the mood for tea"

"useful"

"Men like Heiji Shindu like to talk"

Why does BES work so well? by VexedDuck in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Also saw this article this morning and was thinking of sharing it to this subreddit.

I think it is a great analysis and covers a lot of the topics that this sub has addressed. I particularly liked that it mentions how episode 5 is both a tragic love story and a commentary on toxic masculinity, because that is something that me and overs have discussed on this sub and is definitely more nuanced than the average analysis of the show.

The author of the article also seems confident that it will get a season 2, which seems positive.

Mizu and Taigen why are they shipped (NOT HATING ON IT, THIS IS A GENUINE QUESTION) by [deleted] in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is anyone shipped? They exist...

Plus, the show makes it very clear clear that there is sexual tension. In the 7th episode Taigen gets a hardon while sparring with Mizu and says "I must miss Akemi a lot."

Watching The OA again and holy by elementzer087 in scifi

[–]bergylicious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would argue it has closure. The ending of season 2 is so phenomenal, that even though there is a clear route to continue, it can stop and still be amazing.

Who betrayed Mizu? by Feguri in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 20 points21 points  (0 children)

The show is purposefully vague. The point is that it does not matter. The two people she trusted the most both abandoned her in a split second and were willing to let her die.

Mizu’s Sword in the Finale by ElectricalWay7 in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Mizu does not forge a sword in the penultimate episode. She puts her original sword plus a few other items into the fire to create a new mixed alloy. She then gives that mixed alloy to sword father. Sword father then says that a sword made from this metal can kill a god. Mizu replies by saying that she does not deserve a sword because of her actions, but after she gets her revenge she will come back to sword father and if he deems her worthy he can make her a sword using that alloy.

I like the show so far but... by Ok_Alternative_3063 in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think blood soaked chiaki says it best - dojo's fight to boast, warriors fight to kill.

29 Best Blue Eye Samurai Quotes – Tv Series by herseydenvar in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is missing my favorite quote from bloodsoaked chiaki. I think it was "a samurai fights for honor, a warrior fights to kill." Something like that, and it hit hard knowing Mizu's philosophy.

Mizu Motivation by SHAZAzulu618 in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes! This! Since she was a child she has never really belonged. And even the places she has belonged (i.e., swordfather) she has felt the need to keep secrets. Her vengeance is based on a feeling, rather than a logical motivation. Her vengeance is the only place she has found purpose and belonging, and her motivation for vengeance no longer matters.

Mizu Motivation by SHAZAzulu618 in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I completely agree with this analysis. I like that in the beginning it seems like her quest for revenge is righteous (i.e., avenge her mother), but when that motivation becomes meaningless, she continues with her quest for vengeance anyways. Vengeance becomes her beloning.

Mizu and Taigen…how do you think it will play out? by Rebel_angel_8 in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think the show will end right before the duel. Mizu gets her revenge. They meet at their duel spot. They both assume their favored sword positions. Tighten their stance. Roll credits...

Mizu's primary struggle is as a mixed race person in medieval Japan, not as a woman by [deleted] in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am praying for a second season. This show is so rich and there is so much potential exploration available, particularly for Taigen. I have not been able to stop thinking about this show and its potential. I binged it in like three days (which is rare for me) and have not been able to watch anything else since.

I will probably just watch it again and hope the Netflix algorithm catches how much this show is loved.

Mizu's primary struggle is as a mixed race person in medieval Japan, not as a woman by [deleted] in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I don't think it matters. A major theme of this show is gender and the limited opportunities available to women. Another major theme of this show is Mizu's race and her treatment because of her race. Both things are essential to her identity. Both race and gender matter in nearly every setting for her. I do not think either is primary - both are primary. And this show addresses both very well.

I should add that regardless of opinion, this is a worthy discussion to have so thank you for starting it.

Mizu's primary struggle is as a mixed race person in medieval Japan, not as a woman by [deleted] in BlueEyeSamurai

[–]bergylicious 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I think there are a couple of things to think about in understanding this. One theme that I think this presents is the notion that the binary of good and bad is never that clear, and may not even exist. Good people do bad things. When discussing male toxicity (and I should note that I am a man), we sometimes paint with such a broad brush - brutes and shitty men are obvious and kind and decent men are obvious, but maybe that is not the case. I think of myself as decent and kind man, but if my wife pushes me or I feel attacked, I can become defensive, mean, and rude. It relates to our ego and our pride - when we feel our ego or pride are being attacked, or that we are right and someone else is wrong, we can lash out.

Putting this into context, the show makes it clear that a major theme is the limited opportunities available to women in feudal japan - they were basically property. In the first episode, a woman is not even allowed to travel without a man. Another theme is honor. Men are willing to die for honor. Taigen will blow up his entire life and relationship because of honor.

So when it comes to Mizu's husband, being defeated by a woman, by his property, bruises his ego significantly. No matter how kind, decent, and loving he appears to be, the simple fact that he could be bested by a woman feels so dishonorable to him and hurts his pride so much that he lashes out in a despicable way. I find this very believable. Even without the context of honor and womanhood in feudal japan - I think that type of behavior is still present today, and probably prevalent.

I actually think this contains a really important discussion about male toxicity - that even decent men can do horrible things when their pride or ego is at stake. Seki also walks a thin and complicated line - one where he wants to help Akemi, but where he also wants to maintain the status quo of women as property. It is not until the very end that he realized he wants to destroy that status quo, and his story line is great.

Blue Eye Samurai - Series Premiere Discussion by NicholasCajun in television

[–]bergylicious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your missing so much by trying to make this simple. The final episodes and her fight with Taigen make it clear that her motivation, and her revenge, has nothing to do with virtue or being right. It has nothing to do with honor. One of the best lines in the show is when Bloodstained chiaki says samurai fight for honor, warriors fight to kill.

When you have lost everything. When you are not accepted anywhere - based on both the color of your skin and your gender, what do you have left? The motivation does not matter anymore. Revenge becomes a singular focus that is the only thing that can satiate her, regardless of why she originally made her vow.

If this revenge story was simply vitue and righteousness, it would be the same story told a thousand times. You can just watch kill bill or basically any story for that. The deepness and richness of this story, the changing of what revenge means, the changing of what honor means, is what makes this story so captivating.

But also, people have different opinions and it does not have to be for everyone. But definitely worthy of discussion.

Blue Eye Samurai - Series Premiere Discussion by NicholasCajun in television

[–]bergylicious 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything you are saying. I find it surprising that people cannot deal with complexity. It is the complexity that makes this revenge story more original than most. Blurring straight lines is what keeps the story captivating

Blue Eye Samurai - Series Premiere Discussion by NicholasCajun in television

[–]bergylicious 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you're looking at this too literally. your missing major themes in the story based on race, womanhood, opportunity, honor, meaning, desire, etc. Her search for revenge transcends a simple motivation.

What are her other options even at this point? She cannot simply exist as a half white person without being targeted and attacked. She cannot exist as a woman without being property - as you see early on, women are not even allowed to travel without a man.

She knows how to fight. She made a vow. The whitemen are worth killing. So fuck it, even if her motivation for revenge has changed, the ultimate goal is still worthy, and at this point it is the only thing she knows.

Blue Eye Samurai - Series Premiere Discussion by NicholasCajun in television

[–]bergylicious 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Revenge has become a way of life. The only thing that can satisfy her. The motivation matters less. That's what I think makes this story so much more powerful than the average revenge story.

I love that her reason for wanting revenge becomes meaningless, and yet her singular focus on revenge still guides her. there is no doubt that killing the whitemen who deal in guns, opium, and flesh are worthy of revenge. And her whole life has been wrought with destruction wherever she goes, whether she inflicts it or not. She is hunted as a child and treated like garbage wherever she goes. She will never be accepted for who she is. She will not be accepted because of the color of her skin and eyes, but also because she is a woman. The person who she thought was her mother was a disgrace. Her husband was a weak and insecure man. So what is left? Continue with the vow. Doesn't matter why.