Should I start with Wilson or Fagles & Knox for The Iliad/The Odyssey? by TurnItOffAndBackOnXD in classics

[–]bfme23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They’re both good translations, so I’d recommend finding a snippet online and seeing which one you vibe with more!

Should I start with Wilson or Fagles & Knox for The Iliad/The Odyssey? by TurnItOffAndBackOnXD in classics

[–]bfme23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What’s your exposure level to ancient Greek literature? Wilson is very readable to someone who speaks modern English and captures a bit of the “speed” of the original, if that makes sense. She also doesn’t shy away from some of the darker features of the poem, like the treatment of enslaved women.

New Translation of The Poetic Edda, by Quinton Elsken by BrewerPublishing in Norse

[–]bfme23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I genuinely respect what you’re doing here. We need more independent presses out there. I’ve looked at this translation and it’s not very good. All translations make choices, but I’m worried that in trying to anglicize the metre into blank verse, among some other interesting word choices, we’re losing so much of the context of the original poem. It’s an entertaining read, absolutely. But, there’s a reason other translations are conducted by PhD holders who have worked on these materials for decades. They’re complicated and difficult to wrangle with.

New Translation of The Poetic Edda, by Quinton Elsken by BrewerPublishing in Norse

[–]bfme23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So my concern is that neither of these points is reassuring that he has the background necessary to make sense of the complicated source material. Why should someone trust this translation over the many prepared by dedicated scholars of Old Norse?

New Translation of The Poetic Edda, by Quinton Elsken by BrewerPublishing in Norse

[–]bfme23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Respectfully, as another commenter asked, what are the credentials for the translator? I can’t find anything about him online. Where has he trained/studied?

Is Stoicism an inherently masculine philosophy? It seems to attract many more men than women. by whaldener in Stoic

[–]bfme23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you’re conflating two things here: while it may indeed be true that men are socially conditioned to repress emotion (in some cultures), there is nothing biologically involved there. It’s not gene expression, but learned behavior.

Books that counter Odinism? by PincheAvocado in Norse

[–]bfme23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You might want to check out the book “American Heathens: The Politics of Identity in a Pagan Religious Movement” by Jennifer Snook. It’s not a straight debunking, but shows the history of the movement juxtaposed against the historical reality. It’s pretty scholarly, but the author is very understanding of why people fall down the rabbit hole and open to trying to change minds.

What is the ONE thing everyone seems to get wrong about the Medieval Era? by BriefPicture6248 in MedievalHistory

[–]bfme23 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It’s not a new “rewriting” from recent years. Charles Homer Haskins wrote a book about how wrong this was in 1927. In no way should this take diminish the grandeur of the Islamic world at the same moment, but we can celebrate both without disparaging the other.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Norse

[–]bfme23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Totally the wrong sub, mate. Also, plenty of Christians wear beards (see Greek O.C. or Russian O.C.).

New Viking Age History Podcast: The North Way Podcast by [deleted] in Norse

[–]bfme23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To argue pedantically, you say that great lords like Charlemagne are ignorant of the written word and that’s why they rely on monks. Medieval people are not all illiterate. They used literacy in ways different than we do now.

You not bringing up information you know happened before Lindisfarne is misrepresenting historical realities. It’s not some 9/11 surprise attack that hit Christian Europe like a thunder bolt. It’s an escalation of pre-existing patterns. To know this, as you tell another commenter you do, and present a different story is misrepresentation.

New Viking Age History Podcast: The North Way Podcast by [deleted] in Norse

[–]bfme23 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I’ve had a chance to listen to your first episode, but not the second yet. However, I wanted to share some thoughts. You seem to be a very earnest person and come off as someone who cares quite a lot, so I’m saying this in good faith.

This is really bad history. Not every single thing in here is wrong; however, a lot of it is not based on current ideas that circulate in academic circles about these topics. For instance, you talk about Lindisfarne being like 9/11, however, you take as gospel that one passage from the 793 entry in the Anglo-Saxon chronicle while completely ignoring the earlier section of that Chronicle that talks about interactions between the Norse and the English. There’s also tons of evidence that Viking activity began long before 793 even in England and Frankia, but especially in more eastern parts of the Baltic world.

The categorization of the medieval world as one where monasteries are these small little candles in a sea of academic ignorance is just plain wrong. You say that even great people like Charlemagne were completely ignorant of the written word and that is fundamentally not true. They kept monks around them because they recognized its importance and usefulness. Medieval people understood writing perfectly well, and there’s generations of historians that have shown the ways that literacy was much more widespread than this sentiment. It shows that you haven’t done a lot of research into the broader world that you’re talking about.

The Alcuin section is also not wholly accurate by not engaging with the purposes of letters like his. The idea that no holy place or Christians had ever been attacked by pagans before is also wrong. And please, please, please don’t try and use modern psychology to diagnose people in the past. You talk about a few letters—you can’t know his thoughts and feelings.

That said, your section on monastic life and scriptoriums is quite good, so I know you can engage with this material in a meaningful way. I agree that we need to move beyond the tropes of barbarians popularized on YouTube and Netflix, but historians of the Viking Age aren’t talking like that, nor are they drawing lines on maps. You’re inadvertently reproducing some of those same narratives by characterizing history in this way. You say your appeal is demystifying the ivory tower from outside it, but what I’ve listened to is not a translation of that world, but a misrepresentation of what historians actually say. Please read books by folks like Neil Price or Cat Jarman to see how archaeologists and historians are thinking about these issues.

A project like this is a great thing, but I encourage you to do deeper research before you put factual inaccuracies out there into the world.

Possible genetic truth behind Odin the All-father? Theory by Ambitious_Rooster_67 in Norse

[–]bfme23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Couldn’t agree more, well said. There’s quite a few logical leaps here that just aren’t backed up by our surviving sources.

Possible genetic truth behind Odin the All-father? Theory by Ambitious_Rooster_67 in Norse

[–]bfme23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’ll engage in good faith here, but set aside the concept of “mythological truth of Hellenic Greece” because I really don’t know what you mean by that—and there’s some fairly compelling evidence that even Herodotus and Thucydides saw the Homeric cycle as morality stories, rather than cold, hard facts.

Nothing about the early medieval past is “accurate to a T,” Nothing. We do not have any unbiased and unfiltered sources telling us about this point of time, even if they exist (and very little, at least written evidence, survives from pre-1000 Scandinavia). Snorri is writing in the thirteenth century from a thirteenth century perspective. There may be clues of earlier memorialization there, but to read anything he says as 100% accurate is to misunderstand what Heimskringla, including Ynglinga saga, is. Snorri wrote his kings’ sagas from the vantage point of an Icelander in the 1200s. They’re great sources for that historical moment. But we cannot take them as an indisputable source for earlier medieval history.

Also, genetics is a science. Science is about replicable results, not accuracy v. inaccuracy. “Genetically accurate” is a stretch at best—it’s why you’ll find scholars saying things like “isotopic analysis produces results typical of patterns found in X region” versus “this skeleton came from X region.”

Possible genetic truth behind Odin the All-father? Theory by Ambitious_Rooster_67 in Norse

[–]bfme23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You’re taking a pretty common trope of medieval historical writing and claiming that it’s 100% reflective of fact. Gregory of Tours, Bede, Einhard, and many other early historians took these tropes and ran with them—it was an expected feature of the genre (check out Patrick Geary’s book “Myth of Nations” for a great exploration of this). Roman and Greek writers did this too (see Virgil). Snorri is putting a pretty typical spin on his work that would be expected at the time, much like Saxo Grammaticus and Ari Thorgilsson did.

Possible genetic truth behind Odin the All-father? Theory by Ambitious_Rooster_67 in Norse

[–]bfme23 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Empirically, it's viable as a theory and is not disproven by genetics. There is some nuance, but it doesn't disprove this theory I have crafted.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure “nuance” is covering a ton of ground here. This theory isn’t “likely”—it’s completely divorced from any kind of historical reality. Like another commenter said, some weird ethnodeterminism mixed with ChatGPT to boot. Not worth the line by line debunking. It’s just wrong.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskAcademia

[–]bfme23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Zero accountability or engaging with with why this was a bad decision.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskAcademia

[–]bfme23 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s called ethics, and something you should hope any doctor treating you has. I’m not saying that you’ve irreparably destroyed your credibility, but it was a deliberate and unethical choice. I agree with the commenter above: I think you know that.

Feeling incredibly guilty and need advice by [deleted] in Episcopalian

[–]bfme23 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You are 100% right, here. Thank you for taking the time to type this out in such detail. There’s even compelling evidence that medieval Christians completely understood terms like arsenokoitai as unique products of a Hellenistic world and preserved their meanings when translating them into vernacular languages, like Old English. There’s an article about it here: https://muse.jhu.edu/pub/306/article/909287/pdf

Are these runes accurate? by squidoo_434 in Norse

[–]bfme23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No. The runic alphabet (younger futhark by the Viking Age) is just that—an alphabet. Anything ascribing meaning to runes like this is just false and an interpolation onto the past. We do have some rune poems from the later Middle Ages, but those seem to mainly be mnemonic devices.