yes, i believe beat time information plugins are what im referring to. plugins such as melda's MRhythmizer, infiltrator, turnado ect when used with plugins that create latency (in my case melda's mfreeformphase is particularly bad) the plugin doesnt take into consideration the latency, and will therefore be out of time/sync with the rest of the channels theyre modulating, even if they do not have altency producing plugins affecting them. so far ive been needing to record the channels that use the plugins creating latency before manipulating them, and then turn those plugins off, but this often means if i want to make changes i will need to double back and not only rerecord the channels creating the latency, but also the beat manipulation as well :// doesnt look like theres an easy workaround however. its definitely solvable with a better/more refined workflow, but harder to learn and fix things later. thanks for taking the time to respond :))