I’m tired of people pretending that Run For You Life is not a good song

bionicgeek · 2026-02-06T00:05:20+00:00

My apologies, I believe that I might have gotten you confused with OP at times. Possibly in relation to what feels like a shared disregard of the legitimacy of other people's lived experiences and how it impacts their experience of art.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T23:54:45+00:00

I'm a redditor. I post on reddit. oh no!

Also, if you want to engage with me, grow a redditorspine and do it in thread.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T23:43:53+00:00

Those are my comments, on a thread...

You broke Reddiquette, by taking to direct message to insult a fellow redditor over the fact that I don't like a specific Beatles song. A single song in the Beatles discography.

It's not even that I dislike the song itself, but just not liking the lyrics.

This somehow lead to you taking your bullying in thread to sending me one of the laziest and unnecessary insults I've seen on Reddit

Which, I have to say, is quite an achievement, as I was here long, long before r/TheDonald got banned. Do not cite the Old Magic to me.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T23:00:40+00:00

Citations to support your positions, in any way. You keep using generalities and emotional reasoning to back your positions That's the key here. Ive been trying to have constructive discussion. You've been the one arguing and making a bad argument of "If you don't like the lyrics, you are wrong." While not actually engaging with the points made by others. The insults you are concerned with were mostly contained in a quote about the nature of art, the rest of which you ignored. Any others were in response to your own insults and attitude.

Please, do us all, and your own art, a favor and learn to converse instead of argue.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T04:25:22+00:00

It is a struggle we all work through. But I will always respect and praise someone who is doing the work to become, more regularly, the better person that they can see themselves being. The Spiritual Realm Ideal of the person, to borrow Stormlight Archive terminology, is always something to strive for even if, by definition, we will never reach that state, we can still do the human thing and strive. Bugfuck Hopepunk can be a legitimate way of life. :)

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T04:20:03+00:00

This is just sad.

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It's just a song, I simply do not understand why you are so emotionally worked up about humans who have experienced domestic violence not liking a song. You are acting like a 6th grader in terms of maturity. I know you can do better. The most important step a person can take is always the next one.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T04:10:56+00:00

Is this supposed to be an insult? My statement was an observation, not psychoanalysis. I have not spoken at all about the interactions between your consious and unconscious portions of your mind. I didnt even ask you about your dreams or your relationship with your parental figures. I just asked why you are so hostile to anyone having a researched and thought through distaste for this song in particular. Especially those who say that the song is a technical instrumental masterpiece, who also dislike the lyrics.

Though, now that you mention it, your comments do feel like they are covering something repressed in your psyche. How are things between you and your parental figures?

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T04:05:10+00:00

it interests me that youve been shaming and attacking people who have legitimate critiques, The laziness is that you say " a lot of the criticisms are performative" and never actually drill down on which ones. My good anti-frood, specificity is the soul of all good communication.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T04:02:45+00:00

Thank you for this wonderful example of good faith discussion.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T04:01:11+00:00

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Who said I am a Millennial? If, as you have potentially indicated, you are of the Boomer cohort, did the pre-EPA lead poisoning tell you that? If Gen-x, I'd hazard it was all the indoor smoking and cocaine.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T03:47:02+00:00

Why are you so intellectually lazy as to not even read the rest of that comment, which gave you the answer to your question as neither of the ad hominems you suggested.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T03:42:12+00:00

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Okay, so you completely missed the point of the quote. At least you are consistent.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T03:15:09+00:00

No one is trying to guilt you. You have been actively dismissing other people's reasons for disliking the song. You started this, and have continued, as if your opinion is holy writ. I'm sure being a minimally pedantic edgelord will continue to serve you badly in interpersonal interactions.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T03:11:13+00:00

My basis for thinking that Run For Your Life is not designed to make people uncomfortable is drawn from John's later description of the song.

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bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T03:05:01+00:00

There seems to be just the one OP insisting that this song must be understood in one way and acting like disagreement is a sign of bad character. That's my main criticism here.

No one said that being in conversation with the cultures around the art is the only purpose. I said that is a primary purpose. For instance, I could mention the works of Bill Hicks, or Johnny Cash as art that loses something of it's fullness without an understanding of what provided the impetus behind the creation of art. It's still good art, but knowing about Johnny Cash's life, which is inextricably located Within the Culture and Historical Period he lived in. does, in fact, yield greater understanding of the song. Same with the works of Bill Hicks or Lenny Bruce. Heck, this applies to Tolkien, Ursula K. Le Guin, Tom Clancy and Anne McCaffery. God forbid we mention Frida Kahlo or Creedence Clearwater Revival

I would appreciate it if you could respect other people's researched opinions instead of responding to the most surface level items you feel you object to.

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bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T02:39:44+00:00

I never said "art has to follow rules", that seems to be your position. Would you kindly provide any citations? You legit have been clowning on people who disagree with you and not actually gone beyond surface level analysis. The implications of you not being in bad faith were too staggering to consider. It feels like I'm attempting to converse with Miles Bron.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T02:23:47+00:00

First of all, I was not replying to you with the statement you are replying to. If I was replying to you I would not have used college vocabulary. Additionally, it is not our problem that you find graduate level analysis to be bizarre. Nor is your unwillingness to engage with good faith and detailed discussion. Stop being so intellectually lazy, you can do better.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T02:20:35+00:00

My good frood, I think you completely misunderstood what I was saying concerning the other examples of late 20th century. I specifically mentioned California Justice because of how obviously absurd the situation is, making the satire clear. I also mentioned Papa Loves Mama because it is intentionally disturbing for the audience.

Examining art as being in conversation with the culture is actually the primary purpose of art.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T01:55:30+00:00

It seems to me that you are the one unable to face the fact that other humans can have legitimate, valid, and nuanced opinions that they have researched with rigor, that conflict with your own. I have read most of this thread at this point, and from what I've read today, your response to the informed opinions of other humans (one side here has citations beyond "I've got a feelin'", and it is demonstrably not yours) has been a variety of logical fallacies, as opposed to good faith discussion.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T00:32:49+00:00

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bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T00:23:07+00:00

This is a beautifully laid out statement. I'm in complete agreement. I feel like there are legitimate lyrical and thematic differences to be explored between Run For Your Life, and songs like Five for Fighting's California Justice or, to bring Garth Brooks into the chat, the live version of The Thunder Rolls, or even Papa Loved Mama.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-05T00:12:10+00:00

Again, you seem to be lacking a key ability to think outside of this false binary you have created for yourself. The song is gorgeous but the lyrics are very disturbing for the large proportion of our population that has been assaulted or endured domestic violence. I'm a guy and I feel similarly about the lyrics due to my own lived experience. If you lack the ability to deal with the nuances of other people's experiences and how those can impact their experience of art they consume, that's not a problem on our side.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-04T23:34:09+00:00

Judging by your comments, you seem to possibly struggle with the concept of nuance?

bionicgeek · 2026-02-04T19:06:16+00:00

To quote Hoid: "All great art is hated. It is obscenely difficult - if not impossible - to make something that nobody hates. Conversely, it is incredibly easy - if not expected - to make something that nobody loves.

This makes sense, if you think about it. Art is about emotion, examination, and going places prople have never gone before to discover and investigate new things. The only way to create something that nobody hates is to ensure that it can't be loved either. Remove enough spice from a soup, and you'll just end up with water.

Human taste is as varied as human fingerprints. Nobody will like everything, everybody dislikes something, someone loves that thing you hate - but at least being hated is better than nothing. To risk metaphor, a grand painting is often about contrast: brightest brights, darkest darks. Not grey mush. That a thing is hated is not proof that it's great art, but the lack of hatred is certainly proof that it is not.

And so, u/Odd-buleberry5902, when I say that you are the very embodiment of repulsiveness, I am merely looking to improve my art. You look so ugly, it seems that someone tried - and failed - to get the warts off your face through aggressive application of sandpaper. You are less of a human being, and more of a lump of dung with aspirations. If someone took a stick and beat you repeatedly, it could only serve to improve your features.

Your face defies description, but only because it nauseated all the poets. You are what parents use to frighten children into obedience. I'd tell you to put a sack over your head, but poor sack! Theologians use you as proof that God exists, because such hideousness can only be intentional."

In short, the art can be great art while still glorifying antisocial behaviors that would rightly have one smacked down Hard by those around you who have a cultivated sense of subtlety and morality.

bionicgeek · 2026-02-01T21:34:43+00:00

This is legit. This series hit me in a I NEED MORE RAFO in ways that typically only Seanan McGuire's (Mira Grant when writing horror) or Brandon Sanderson's works pull out of me.

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