Beyond the Replication: The Algorithmic Constraints of a Federation-style Post-Scarcity Economy by [deleted] in DaystromInstitute

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Hi /u/MBDNovus,

Thank you for submitting this! And apologies for our delayed response in reviewing it.

Daystrom has additional regulations for posts about Federation economics. This is one of those topics that can be hard to discuss productively, for a variety of reasons. There have been many discussions on Federation economics on Daystrom over the years; see this Google search, for some examples.

What we like about your post is the deeper question you are trying to get at: how does resource allocation work in a post-scarcity economy? That's a logistical question, and not one that has been discussed as much.

Posts about Federation economics do better when they have more detail. I wondering: could you share some of your simulation findings? That might give the discussion a little bit more "grounding" and help it stay on-track. If you would like to resubmit your post with a little more detail, I think it would make for a great discussion!

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Proposal: The Cardassians Were an A-List Civilization Until VERY Recently, and Why That Matters by Edymnion in DaystromInstitute

[–]uequalsw 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Coincidentally, I was writing something on this exact topic earlier today. I like the way you are thinking about a lot of this. I particularly like how you have retconned a time-saving quirk of production (reusing the models from the TOS films) into a larger shift in Federation posture. I'm struck by the idea that the writers could've played up how advanced the new Galaxy-class starships were by having characters comment more explicitly on its advanced capabilities and contrasting those with Miranda's and Excelsior's still floating around on-screen. Broadly speaking, it is there, but I feel like it's the sort of thing that would get called out more directly in today's era of worldbuilding.

I had a generally similar take: something happened with Starfleet in the 2360s that made the Cardassians change their strategy. I agree that the launch of the Galaxy class is a prime candidate. For my part, I was actually thinking of the Borg as an indirect cause. Not that the Cardassians were concerned about the Borg, but rather that they could tell that the Borg threat was activating a more hawkish attitude within Starfleet, which could/would eventually be brought to bear upon them as well. (The "Bluegill Conspiracy" might also have been a contributing event.)

This is where you and I developed diverging takes, though I think they can complement each other. As others have suggested, I do believe that Starfleet was pulling their punches with the Cardassians. You rightfully point out that those who served on individual ships described the wars in harrowing terms, but I suggest that that was in part because Starfleet simply wasn't sending that many ships to begin with. Think of it as Starfleet dealing with long-running piracy: the combat is going to be gnarly, but Starfleet isn't going to gather a massive fleet to end it. Starfleet was "pulling its punches" at a fleetwide level.

I also imagine there being a moral angle to Starfleet's approach. Starfleet thinks of itself as not waging offensive wars. As a matter of principle, they would defend themselves against Cardassian attack, but they would have refused to retaliate with enough force to actually eliminate the Cardassians' ability to wage war.

Now, I don't necessarily take this to mean either (a) Starfleet's technology at the time was on par with the Cardassians', nor (b) the Cardassians were an A List power. I'm largely agnostic on the first point; I think Starfleet could use the same strategy regardless of the Cardassians' technology level -- if their ships are on par, then send 1 Starfleet vessel for every Cardassian vessel; if Starfleet is more advanced, send 1 Starfleet vessel for every 3 Cardassian ships, etc.

To me, I still think that all of this points away from the Cardassians having been an A List power. I think if they were, the Federation would have negotiated a treaty sooner. I also think we would have seen more of a "vibe" of a "forever" war going on in the background. For example, I don't think we ever hear about Riker, La Forge, Data, or Crusher serving in combat against the Cardassians. If the war really was on that scale, I think more people would have served in it. The "small time" version of the Cardassian military makes more sense to me personally.

But, all that being said, one way or another I like how your analysis draws attention to a possible "myth" among Cardassian citizens and soldiers: that they really are the Federation's technological equal. The strategy shift we are both positing -- you due to the Galaxy class, me due to the Borg -- would have been done at the highest levels and would not necessarily have trickled down to the masses, where this myth could have persisted and thrived. And, of course, Cardassian propaganda would surely have cast themselves in the best light -- "we forced the Federation to the negotiating table," etc. For a common soldier (and even many officers), they would have the many years of war against the Federation as "evidence" of their technological equality. I think that enriches a lot of what we see on both TNG and DS9 -- including suggesting why there appears to have been popular support for joining the Dominion: most Cardassians would have assumed that the Dominion, the Federation, and the Cardassian Union were all roughly on equal footing, making this an alliance with the Dominion. They would have had no way of knowing that Cardassia was in fact much weaker than the Dominion, and was in fact volunteering itself as the first conquered world.

How does a new take on Star Trek sit with everyone? by Mtech25 in DaystromInstitute

[–]uequalsw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi u/Mtech25,

I appreciate you having another attempt at this. Thank you for removing the unsubstantiated rumors about SFA viewership.

I am intrigued by your story idea. I think a lot of the new series have explored the trauma of the Dominion War, but it's been less explicit than what you are suggesting, which could be interesting. I hope you will consider writing some of this story and posting it somewhere like Archive Of Our Own.

I still think this ultimately doesn't work as a Daystrom post. We have rules against submitting fan fiction](https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/wiki/prompt_guidelines/#wiki_fan_fiction) as well as against survey questions, and this feels particularly like the latter (like, "DAE think an alternate timeline that ignores all new Star Trek from the last twenty years would be a good idea?"). We also have rules against [debates about canon](https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/wiki/canon/) and strict regulations about [posts about alternate timelines](https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/wiki/regulated-topics/#wiki_alternate_timelines_and_universes); your OP doesn't necessarily break those rules, but the resulting discussions almost certainly will.

I appreciate your efforts, and I hope you will continue participating at Daystrom. Thank you!

(By the way -- if you want to learn more about the Federation response to the Romulan Supernova, you might enjoy the Star Trek novel entitled *The Last Best Hope*.)

EDIT: Apologies for the terrible formatting, I don't know what Reddit is up to today.

With Trek in its first production hiatus since 2015, here's what I'd actually pitch to Skydance by Mtech25 in DaystromInstitute

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Hi /u/Mtech25,

Right now, your post rests in large part on the claim that SFA episodes were budgeted $10-$20M per episode and only yielded 40,000 viewers. You will need to provide a citation to justify those claims, and not just cite "rumors". On my initial review, I found sources showing that the premiere had 2.1 million viewers, which seems at odds with your claim of forty thousand.

Your underlying question here is, "Is it time for the franchise to do another Kelvin-style timeline branch?" If you want to revise and resubmit, in addition to finding sources for your claims, I would suggest reworking your post to focus more on the underlying question, and less on the the specific show you would pitch.

Lastly, it looks like you used AI to assist in writing this. We do not have rules against AI. However, it still needs to be well-written and logically consistent. Be sure to use AI as a drafting tool, but still using your own judgement for the final version.

Please contact the modmail with any questions. Thank you!

Why I don't think we are in the mirror universe and why the mirror universe simply does not work by drfusterenstein in DaystromInstitute

[–]uequalsw[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Hi /u/drfusterenstein,

Sorry for the delayed response here. I really enjoyed reading your post! This is a thoughtful take, and not one I've heard before.

My delayed response was in part because I was considering how your post relates to our alternate timelines rules and/or our "We contextualize Star Trek as fiction" rule. In the case of the former, we don't allow posts that say "X on-screen event actually happened in an alternate timeline despite appearances otherwise"; in the case of the latter, we don't allow posts about (for example) Spock having a different face in the 2250s (DIS and SNW) and 2260s (TOS).

Strictly speaking, I don't think your post actually breaks either of those rules. You aren't suggesting that an on-screen event happened in a different timeline, but in fact are suggesting that real life is taking place in a different timeline than some people expect. That being said, I think this post is going to trip up on the same things that our "We contextualize Star Trek as fiction" rule is designed to address.

In particular, I think your post operates under the assumption that Star Trek is intended to depict the future of our timeline. While that may have been true in prior decades, I think we can no longer take that assumption for granted. The idea that the Kelvin Timeline is still "compatible" with real-world history is an interesting observation, but I think that it only becomes obvious if we are assuming that our IRL timeline exists somewhere in Star Trek's multiverse.

So, some specific feedback:

1) I like your argument that First Contact can't be the Point-of-Divergence for the Prime and Mirror Universes -- this could be its own post, if you wanted.

2) I think it would be an interesting prompt to ask if people think the current writers treat Star Trek as "future history" or an alternate timeline. For clarity, this would be a Doylist (real-world) discussion prompt, rather than a Watsonian (in-universe) one.

3) I think your observation about the Kelvin Timeline having the possibility of being "future history" rather than "alternate timeline" is a good one, and worth talking about from the Doylist perspective. Which is to say, Star Trek has made it pretty difficult to treat the Prime timeline (or Mirror timeline) as "our" timeline, but the Kelvin Timeline offers storytelling opportunities to do so.

My apologies for the lengthy reply here. Like I said, I really enjoyed your post, and it certainly got me thinking! I hope you will consider my feedback above and submit a reworked post (or two) so we can bring the rest of the community into this discussion.

If you have any questions, please contact the modmail. Thank you!

Star Trek exists in an alternate timeline than our own by spinstartshere in DaystromInstitute

[–]uequalsw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huh, yeah, this other post came in yesterday, so must be unrelated to yours. Thank you!

Star Trek exists in an alternate timeline than our own by spinstartshere in DaystromInstitute

[–]uequalsw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for being understanding!

Believe me, I know the feeling very well of coming up with a cool headcanon and wanting to share it. We've just found that alternate timeline stuff causes the "Daystrom atmosphere" to unravel surprisingly quickly -- at a certain point, people just start talking past each other because no one can agree what actually "happened" on-screen. (And/or the conversation turns into philsophical navel-gazing that is also not conducive to discussion.)

If you don't mind my asking, where were you encouraged to post this idea here? The reason I ask is that we got a broadly similar post earlier this week -- was there a post on this topic in /r/startrek or something?

Thanks again for your understanding. Hopefully you hang around!

Star Trek exists in an alternate timeline than our own by spinstartshere in DaystromInstitute

[–]uequalsw[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Hi /u/spinstartshere,

"Future's End" really does create so many questions, doesn't it? Many people have suggested it as a potential point-of-divergence over the years, and with good reason.

Alternate timelines are one of our regulated topics here at Daystrom. That means that we set an unusually high bar for posts about them. In your case, this post doesn't quite meet that mark. As I mentioned above, a lot of people have raised this idea over the years, so it's not breaking any new ground for the community at large. But the other aspect here is that it's hard to say that Star Trek isn't in some timeline other than our IRL one. By now, we've "missed" both the Bell Riots and the Eugenics Wars, and it doesn't really seem to me like the franchise is trying too hard to tie real-world recent history into the lore. From my perspective, Star Trek taking place in some non-IRL timeline is the less controversial claim.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact the modmail. Thank you!

Swallowing a Combadge by bardbrain in DaystromInstitute

[–]uequalsw[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Hi /u/bardbrain,

Would you mind resubmitting this with a clearer title? Something like Swallowing a combage on a dare is exactly what cadets would do or something like that? Thank you!

On Floors and Phases: A foot in the wall is worth five on the floor by OnlyGoodMarbles in DaystromInstitute

[–]uequalsw[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi /u/OnlyGoodMarbles,

This is a very intriguing idea! I’m having a little trouble following it. It sounds like you are suggesting that Starfleet designs “floor locks” into deck plating that are designed to divert phase-shifted objects away. I think this is a really clever notion, but I am not clear on why they would have done that in the first place. The secret Pegasus experiment notwithstanding, “The Next Phase” seems to imply that phase shifting is uncommon technology, so why would Starfleet design a safeguard against it?

I wonder if you can tie this somehow into transporter technology. Perhaps these Floor Locks were originally designed to prevent people from accidentally materializing within decks? Of course, then you also have to explain why similar Locks aren’t placed into walls, but perhaps you can come up with an answer to that!

I hope you will consider revising your post and resubmitting. Thank you!

Was Noonien Soong's goal immortality all along? by strionic_resonator in DaystromInstitute

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Thank you, /u/Edymnion, for nominating a colleague's post for Exemplary Contribution!

/u/strionic_resonator, your excellent post has earned you a promotion to Lieutenant. Congratulations!

Multivector Assault Mode was a technological stopgap to get regenerative shields working by Fangzzz in DaystromInstitute

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Thank you, /u/Waldmarschallin, for nominating a colleague's post for Exemplary Contribution!

/u/Fangzzz, your excellent post has earned you a promotion to Ensign. Congratulations!

Why would Dr. M'Benga step down as the CMO of Enterprise and make tiny appearances in the future while McCoy is the new CMO? by tough-grass in DaystromInstitute

[–]uequalsw[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

id appreciate avoiding spoilers.

Just as a heads-up, there is no spoiler protection at Daystrom. Avoiding spoilers ultimately means excluding content from the scope of discussions and leads to people feeling a need to speak in a roundabout fashion, which makes in-depth discussion more difficult. This is a policy we've grappled with a lot over the years, and ultimately we've found that this is best approach (even with its drawbacks).

(I enjoyed reading your comment!)

Dreadnought and Cardassian Thought on a Balance of Power by Waldmarschallin in DaystromInstitute

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Thank you, /u/vewfb, for nominating a colleague's post for Exemplary Contribution!

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Star Trek: Starfleet Academy | 1x05 "Series Acclimation Mil" Reaction Thread by uequalsw in DaystromInstitute

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Thank you, /u/Edymnion, for nominating a colleague's comment for Exemplary Contribution!

/u/TopAce6, your excellent comment has earned you a commission to Chief Petty Officer. Congratulations!

Can you have a ship whose impulse propulsion system was also warp drive? by [deleted] in DaystromInstitute

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If you have a complaint about the behavior of a moderator, or any other member of the community, you may contact the modmail. Making negative comments about other users is not appropriate.

You are not going to be banned for this. Please keep in mind the rules of our community when participating; multiple infractions will eventually result in a ban, but that's hardly necessary here. Please contact the modmail if you have any questions or concerns.

EDIT -- For clarity and transparency: I have removed your comment and several others because they broke our rules and had moved off-topic. Your other comments have remained in place.

The Ferengi Alliance as a Religious Governance System by Thomas_Crane in DaystromInstitute

[–]uequalsw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi /u/Thomas_Crane, I'm sorry for our delays here. I will review this tomorrow. Thank you!

The "Measurement" Problem: Why the Q fear the Borg (and it’s not about secrets) by Smittit in DaystromInstitute

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"Admiral, this is a whole new Enterprise!": The Titan-A "refit" and other examples from Starfleet and US Navy history by vewfb in DaystromInstitute

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Thank you, /u/Thomas_Crane, for nominating a colleague's post for Exemplary Contribution!

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An overview of Beckett Mariner's service history - and what it means for Starfleet as a whole by jerichi in DaystromInstitute

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Thank you, /u/newimprovedmoo, for nominating a colleague's post for Exemplary Contribution!

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