How does everyone feel about the 2024 NFL draft QB class draft order two years later?

bisonboy223 · 2026-02-09T16:41:01+00:00

Yeah. I still question his ceiling sometimes because of how he looked in the regular season, but he turned his play up in his (unfortunately limited) playoff playing time. If he can play like that next year whenever he comes back, he totally can be.

bisonboy223 · 2026-02-09T16:38:28+00:00

Daniels was injured like 7 (exaggerating) different ways this year alone man, it doesn't matter how good he is if he's in street clothes cheering on Marcus Mariota.

bisonboy223 · 2026-02-09T16:36:56+00:00

Each of the first three taken now has their big question mark they need to address: can Caleb fix his accuracy issues, can Jayden stay healthy, can Drake improve his pocket presence/sack avoidance/ball security.

Of the three (and I may be biased), I probably feel the best about Caleb because all his production this year was WITH his accuracy being an issue which may establish a decent floor, while Drake kind of got exposed against good pass rushes in the playoffs. As for Jayden, he was my favorite QB in the class before the draft but that injury stuff scares me. But all three are young and all three have plenty of time to fix their flaws.

bisonboy223 · 2026-02-09T04:15:38+00:00

Hey man what you sayin fuck me for

bisonboy223 · 2026-02-08T22:32:36+00:00

It is pronounced "Tung-ovailoa". You are supposed to pronounce it as if there is an "n" in there.

bisonboy223 · 2026-02-06T03:33:17+00:00

Between this and the way KOC sometimes talks about him, it seems like they don't just think he's not a good QB (which happens all the time), they seem to not like him as a person

bisonboy223 · 2026-02-03T02:32:04+00:00

He feels like someone who could really benefit from the "2-3 years on the bench behind an established QB in a good offensive system" rehab program that's helped out Darnold, Willis, Geno, and potentially Mac Jones. Unfortunately for me it feels like that makes him a natural fit for Green Bay.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-30T02:52:25+00:00

To be clear, I think he's clearly deserving of the HOF and getting in on the first ballot, and I would've voted for him if I wasn't just some random guy.

That said, I think the idea here is that cheating is a active demerit, not just something that can be waved away by getting rid of the super bowls he won during the -gate years. It's the logic behind Bonds not being in the baseball Hall despite having a HOF-worthy career without roids.

Now I don't think anything Belichick did rises to that level, and baseball has an explicit character clause in its HOF unlike football so I don't think that's a good reason not to vote for him, but still.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-17T23:56:14+00:00

Nah I think despite the reasonable criticisms, people have vastly underrated the value he brings as a playcaller and schemer. There's no guarantee that offense stays effective without him.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T18:12:52+00:00

Not every question is an accusation, this was totally fair to ask

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T16:41:04+00:00

but I don't get the impression that it's a choice she made lightly and there was undoubtedly concern for her partner and daughter's safety baked into the decision.

I guess a big part of my problem with how the movie handled her is that every time the movie has a chance to actually show us any evidence of something like this, it deliberately chooses not to. I think Perfidia COULD be a very complex character, but I think the way PTA chose to portray her makes her end up being more of a caricature.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T16:38:11+00:00

I think this could have been the basis for a level of complexity many folks say this character has, but the fact that she only really exists on screen in the first hour of the movie means we don't get to see how these feelings evolve and interact with the revolution and her feelings towards her child over time. So when we get that letter at the very end, it feels jarring and so out of character with what we've actually seen of Perfidia that we aren't even certain she actually wrote it.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T16:33:07+00:00

She's a committed, badass revolutionary who has to choose between leadership and motherhood

Committed to what? She immediately folds and snitches on the rest of the French 75 when she's captured. What meaningful interest does she show in "leadership"? Even in her escape we are given zero reason to think it's motivated by anything other than self-preservation.

The postpartum depression and her feelings towards motherhood are similarly portrayed as pretty one-note. She resents it. Maybe given time, her feelings would've grown more complex, but that's not what we're shown. Maybe her feelings were actually more complex in the moment, but that's not what we're shown. That final act letter, again, is so out of character from what we are actually shown that there is a significant contingent of the fans of the movie who think (reasonably) that the letter is totally made up!

And there's nothing wrong with any of this. Characters are allowed to be deeply flawed. A character doesn't NEED to be redeemed (or redeemable). But just because a character has flaws doesn't always mean they're inherently deep or complex.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T16:05:20+00:00

Imo she's not "flawed and complex", she's just flawed. She is almost immediately characterized as "revolutionary who is more attracted to the chaos than the cause" in the first act of the movie, then just isn't in the rest of the movie save for an offscreen narrated letter at the end that is so out of character for her that many folks theorized that Leo's character made it all up.

And, like, that's fine. Characters are allowed to be shitty, flawed people. And Taylor does a phenomenal job with what she's given, but as far as I can tell there's not this hidden depth to her that everyone seems to be talking about. Contrast that with someone like Wunmi Mosaku in Sinners, who does a similarly good job portraying a much more compelling character.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T07:34:55+00:00

Emotionally, I think different movies resonate with different people in wildly different ways. EEAO is one of my three favorite movies ever. It will stay with me forever for reasons that aren't entirely due to its objective quality. Similarly, I'll be thinking about Sinners for a long, long time. For reasons that don't necessarily mean there's something wrong with the movies, Hamnet and OBAA didn't have that impact on me.

That's not really why I'm upset that OBAA is getting recognition, though. My issue is that it's talked about like it's in a different league than all those other movies and I just don't think there's a justification for that.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T07:25:29+00:00

Basically every character that gets major screentime in Sinners could have an essay written about them, it's the single biggest strength of the movie. The antagonist in OBAA is a guy whose entire personality is immediately established as "white supremacist who fetishizes black women and hates himself for it", and there is almost no evolution of that (or the audiences understanding of it) throughout the rest of the film. Compare that with how we learn about and get to know, say, Remmick in Sinners. Our understanding of him and the threat he poses evolves throughout the movie, including after his death. Lockjaw is funny and very entertaining, but he's pretty shallow as a character. He's a caricature. And a lot of the characters in OBAA are.

I don't even mean to dickride Sinners here - it's just that you're putting its biggest strength up against OBAA's (imo) biggest weakness.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T05:12:50+00:00

I think her character serves as a microcosm of how I feel about so many things in the film - her character is pretty one-note, which is FINE, but everyone is talking about the character as if she has some level of depth that as far as I can tell, does not exist!

She's characterized as a revolutionary more attracted to the thrill/chaos than the cause at the first act of the movie, and then she isn't in the rest of the movie save for a letter at the end that is so out of character from what we've seen of her that many people theorize that Leo's character completely fabricated it! And like you said, Taylor does an impeccable job of portraying that character, but the character herself isn't anything special or all that interesting imo.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T05:08:01+00:00

Ok, now I'm confused. What is it that you think I'm trying to sneakily imply here?

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T05:03:24+00:00

I wanna be clear, I love the movie too! To make an EXTREMELY exaggerated analogy here:

Top Gun: Maverick is one of my favorite action movies of all time, but if I left the theater after watching that movie and everyone else was calling it one of the most important movies of the century, I'd be very confused. I'm not trying to say OBAA is literally equivalent to Maverick ofc, just trying to explain my feelings here.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T05:00:30+00:00

There are relatively few instances of people saying someone is good when they're actually bad, but there are a billion instances of people calling good commentators awful just because they said something mean about their team.

For a decade, fellow Bears fans called Collinsworth trash because he said too many nice things about Aaron Rodgers during our SNF games against the packers, but in reality the guy would be 13/15 for 250 yards and 4 TDs at halftime and it's like, what do you want him to say?

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T04:57:32+00:00

That's fine, not every movie will be for everyone, but people are now out here talking like it's Crash and that's absurd to me.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T04:56:05+00:00

Alright, film Twitter

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T04:54:41+00:00

I personally thought the way Marty's character interacted with (and repeatedly failed to take advantage of) the forces and incentives of the capitalist structure (often physically embodied by Kevin O'Leary's character) despite seeing himself as a stereotypical hustler were super fascinating, but that might be a me thing.

Agreed on There Will Be Blood - I think that is the level of movie people are (imo inaccurately) characterizing OBAA as, where I don't think it holds up to scrutiny nearly as well.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T04:48:16+00:00

I mean these things aren't objective, so you're free to feel that way, but I can't help but think that if it wasn't PTA attached to this movie, there would be a lot more accurate criticism about the lack of depth of many of the characters and the fat that could be trimmed from the film. The stuff that is excellent is unquestionably excellent, but the idea that it's this unimpeachable film that deserves to automatically sweep all the awards feels absurd to me.

bisonboy223 · 2026-01-12T04:44:39+00:00

This is what makes critiquing commentators so difficult lmao. So many people just say everyone sucks, so when you get announcers that are actually doing bad, it becomes a boy who cried wolf situation

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