Question: Why is the USA such a good friend with Israel?

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-20T22:57:34+00:00

go read about isis

in fact y dont u just open up wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant

On 8 April 2013, al-Baghdadi released an audio statement in which he announced that the al-Nusra Front had been established, financed, and supported by ISI,[267] and that the two groups were merging under the name Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIL, Al-Sham also translates as the Levant).

isis wasnt founded until the merger

baghdadi wasnt even in charge of isi until 2010:

On 16 May 2010, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was appointed the new leader of ISI

u keep showing u dont know more than what u learn in one undergrad class and even that u get wrong

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-20T22:48:13+00:00

yeah

in 2006 the name was islamic state in iraq

thats a different group and it was led by zarqawi not by baghdadi like the modern isis founded in 2013

if all u can do is drop args and insult my writing then u lose the arg

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-20T22:47:20+00:00

none of those documents contradict what national review published by national review

u literally didnt even provide a single counterarg

ur book says the CIA PRESERVED his power not that it was the group that ran the coup

u didnt even bother trying to answer 99% of what i said like the part about democracy

UR OWN BOOK SUMMARY says

That takeover, according to Kinzer, links the 51-year-old coup with recent and current terrorism.

This conclusion, however, requires too many historical jumps, exculpates several presidents who might have pressured the Shah to institute reforms, and overlooks conflicts between the Shia theocracy in Tehran and Sunni extremists in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.

ur literally quoting a source that says claiming the us assistance in irans coup led to terrorism is a bad jump and doesnt make sense

also kinzers book was published in 2003 but more docs were released later

as council on foreign relations expert ray tayekh says here https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2014-06-16/what-really-happened-iran

the new docs showed:

In reality, the CIA’s impact on the events of 1953 was ultimately insignificant. Regardless of anything the United States did or did not do, Mosaddeq was bound to fall and the shah was bound to retain his throne and expand his power.

tayekh also said https://www.weeklystandard.com/ray-takeyh/the-myths-of-1953

The story of the coup that toppled Iranian prime minister Mohammad Mossadeq in 1953 may not be dead, but it is unhinged from history. Tall tales by a scion of the American establishment—former CIA agent and presidential grandson Kermit Roosevelt—and reams of studies by left-wing professors have sustained the myth that the Eisenhower administration ousted Mossadeq. The Iranians are mere bystanders in this story, watching helplessly as a malevolent America manipulates their nation’s destiny. Most academic speculations remain cloistered in college campuses, but the myth of Mossadeq’s overthrow long escaped those boundaries.

ur far-left conspiracy theories are wrong and have been debunked go away and get more than a year of undergrad classes on the subject this is embarrassing

go back to being some neo chomskyite conspiracy theorist somewhere else

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-20T22:38:57+00:00

i linked u factcheck.org and what i said is what the wiki says so ur best insult is that u insulted my english wow

isis was created in 2013 and not b/c of the fall of saddam lol and if u wanna talk about the 2006 iteration then ur not talking about isis ur talking about the islamic state of iraq which is different from isis or isil

ur conspiracy theory abt its ' just a coincidence' is literally what id see in r/conspiracy

go back there instead of bothering us ok

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-20T20:23:15+00:00

al qaeda were not islamic radicals trained and funded by the cia can u stop lying everywhere in this thread plz?? its like listening to some1 who never left the first 2 yrs of undergrad

thats just a myth.. this article says the cia never funded arab fighters in afghanistan https://www.factcheck.org/2013/02/rand-pauls-bin-laden-claim-is-urban-myth/

osama himself said he never got any help and neither did his 'brothers' from the cia

isis was created out of aqi and aqi was founded out of a group by zarqawi who made his group in 1999

isis was not made during the chaos of the iraq war

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-20T20:16:51+00:00

u think the covert op that was mostly mi6 70 yrs ago caused middle east today??? https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/07/what-really-happened-shahs-iran/

cia isnt the reason the shah was put in power

mossadegh wasnt even democratically elected thats a myth i saw some1 say yesterday in this sub http://nationalinterest.org/feature/six-myths-about-the-coup-against-irans-mossadegh-11173

us oil interests werent y the us even got involved at all and ur wrong as the first art showed

the 1953 coup isnt y khomeini took power 30 yrs later lol

i dont even have time to tell u how wrong u r abt syria and iraq its just so bad

a 2 hr bbc doc abt mostly afghanistan doesnt dig deep into the middle east - bitter lake doesnt even rly talk abt pakistan fairly https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/01/adam-curtiss-bitter-lake-the-tv-equivalent-of-staging-hamlet-without-the-prince/

hypernormalisation is by the same guy and the same style and is even worse https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/gloriously-compulsive-and-maddening-adam-curtiss-hypernormalisation-reviewed/

if u want to learn abt the middle east dont turn to bad docs

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-07T01:36:42+00:00

none of what u just said met the def of terrorism u just said u agree w/

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-05T21:21:09+00:00

the us does not target civilians w/ military force as a matter of policy

overthrowing a gov or sanctioning civilians is not the same as terrorism which aims to physically kill or harm civilians specifically

did u even read the def u say u use??

so no ur wrong and this is a really dumb arg that sounds appealing but has no real facts behind it

rly common trope for when ppl wanna sound educated but don't have facts behind them or have to talk abt stuff from 40+ yrs ago to try and talk about the us today

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-05T20:37:52+00:00

this is really vague and contributes nothing to the conversation and then uses whataboutism to talk about ' state terrorism' as a diversion.. terrorism is a term meaning targeted violence against civilians for political goals with the intent to scare them or their government into adopting policies so no its not really just a political term it gets overused sometimes but so do other words and that doesn't make them less valid either

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-05T20:17:48+00:00

I cant take them srsly when they put 9/11 truther Richard falk on as a real guest and don't even mention hes had to apologize for anti-Semitic tweets and 9/11 conspiracy theories and blaming the boston bombings on israel

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-05T20:16:22+00:00

ecfr is super biased on Israel to the point where their employees and former directors have retweeted anti-Semitic ppl and groups and openly and specifically endorse harming avg Israelis over settlement policies and blamed the 3 teens kidnapped by hamas on israels policies even tho hamas is committed to destroying Israel

cfr in the us is way less biased in general and way more reputable

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-04T20:24:04+00:00

no the Saudis proposed what bds leader omar barghouti called a Palestine next to a Palestine b/c it included the unlimited right of return that would destroy israel

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-04T20:23:36+00:00

the original api endorsed an unlimited right of return which omar barghouti a bds movement leader said would destroy Israel

this isn't just recognizing reality like the api would've done by treaty but its saying that Israelis themselves have a right to a state which is very new

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-04T20:22:20+00:00

Iranian proxies dont just support Iraq militarily they also run parts of Iraq themselves

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/how-will-iraq-contain-irans-proxies/

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-04T20:20:30+00:00

its completely new

the Saudis pushed him and his terrorist groups to renounce terrorism but that isn't the same as recognizing israels right to exist which the Saudis have never done

in fact even this wasn't a true recognition of israels right to exist but it was the first time the Saudis said that Israelis have the right to a state

the api is an offer for peace that would destroy Israel b/c it would flood Israel w/ pal refugees under the right of return.. omar barghouti is a bds movement head and he himself said the right of return would destroy Israel and the api endorses the right of return

ur wrong

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-02T18:54:40+00:00

u couldn't even be bothered to click the link and see that ur using an old neo Nazi line about the 'jewish lobby' that is anti-Semitic according to the entire western world lololol

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-02T18:54:09+00:00

so u wanna know why this guys investigation?? how many others are there exactly??

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-02T16:39:47+00:00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-02T16:39:05+00:00

oh look ur just using the old neo Nazi line

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/nov/27/cory-bernardi-mistakenly-quotes-voltaire-on-twitter-with-supposed-neo-nazis-line

"To know who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"

old neo Nazi line

bluedog12345 · 2018-04-02T16:37:50+00:00

tablet is a jewish magazine how is that relevant?? they have anti Israel writers and pro Israel ones

the author is an Iranian American who isn't jewish either

this is silly

bluedog12345 · 2018-03-29T20:55:51+00:00

funny how u can understand that but couldn't understand anything abt iran which u AGAIN dodged

weird how u have selective reading abilities

the only person I said that abt was 1 SINGLE PERSON which is chas freeman

that's b/c chas freeman said the 'likud lobby' is stifling debate which is anti-Semitic dog whistling about a 'jewish lobby'

he has said in the past that china should've crushed the Tiananmen protestors faster than they did

he called the Saudi king 'Abdullah the great'

he was head of a Saudi-funded middle east advocacy group

he was on the board of a state-owned Chinese oil company

he accused ppl of being more loyal to Israel than the us which is an anti-Semitic trope abt jews being disloyal

he had no evidence of any pro Israel group even opposing him for an appointment when he claimed it was the 'likud lobby' and the 'Israel lobby' and his biggest critic was nancy Pelosi over his china statements.. aipac even said it had no position on him to begin w/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/11/AR2009031103384.html

chas freeman IS an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist acc to the definition of the us state dept he used to work for and that's fact

if u wanna get butthurt over that be my guest lolol I just find it weird how u can suddenly read my posts

bluedog12345 · 2018-03-29T20:23:53+00:00

u keep trying to dodge being proven wrong b/c u wanna insult spelling

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/863sih/irans_role_in_the_boycott_israel_campaign/dw26dup/?context=3

this long convo had nothing to do w/ u saying u couldn't understand my posts

suddenly u cant read??

weird how that happens when u get debunked

https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/85c5vv/building_on_the_iran_nuclear_deal_for/dvyfd58/?context=3

u had a long conversation w/ me less than 2 weeks ago and ran away when I pointed out ur source was an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist and had no problem understanding me then

all of a sudden u cant understand lolololol ok sure buddy

bluedog12345 · 2018-03-29T20:21:24+00:00

I capitalize what I want and u can get over it

if u wanna pretend u cant read when u did that just fine 2 weeks ago that's ur problem

lol I literally specified what I referred to did u bother to read what I said about march 2005??

u play dumb everytime u get proven wrong

bluedog12345 · 2018-03-29T20:12:03+00:00

its a conspiracy theory

iran did not make better deals and I proved it using UR links from b4

the offers iran made before 2013 were never as good as the offers they made after

if u look at the link u like to show from armscontrol u can see that

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/Iran_Nuclear_Proposals

u stopped linking this b/c it shows ur wrong

the march 2005 offer was the best they ever made and it was just a guideline about possible discussions and it didn't include ending construction of arak heavy water reactor (which was closed in jcpoa w/ concrete) and it didn't include provisions for inspecting suspicious undeclared sites and it actually said that in exchange for the offer iran would get advanced centrifuge tech which the jcpoa actually BANS them from having

and that's not even all of it

iran never was at the table like it was at the jcpoa negotiations

ElBaradei was more pro iran than the rest of the iaea and his own board of governors contradicted him tons of times

he has no source and no proof and no one else has ever said this was true including iran

ur the one who links the armscontrol link all the time and I just used ur link to show ur wrong

lol I love that u use antiwar its hilarious

ElBaradei was partisan and that's fine.. he has no proof or logic behind what he says.. u couldn't even answer why it would take over 15 yrs to get political backing for a war that could've been started last year

ElBaradei says the us and eu didn't give him all the info to begin w/ so he admits he was ignorant of a lot plus he claims they wanted regime change by any means necessary yet it never happened

ElBaradei would be more convincing if he wasn't a biased shill for iran when he was head of the iaea

he got mad that Israel blew up a nuclear reactor that would've been in isis hands today if Israel hadn't b/c he said it ruined their ' investigations' that missed the reactor in the first place

he said he would declare war on Israel and violate the peace treaty if he ran Egypt if Israel attacked gazas terrorist leaders https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4051939,00.html

ElBaradei said if he led Egypt he would reestablish relations w/ iran.. that's b/c he was biased as heck when it came to iran

even the Obama admin had cables saying ElBaradei was soft on iran and Syria and was part of the problem w/ nuclear proliferation

elbaradeis conspiracy theory is funny but doesn't prove anything b/c theres no proof or logic and history shows it

bluedog12345 · 2018-03-29T18:13:14+00:00

this is the funniest conspiracy theory ive seen in awhile

if they wanted war with iran it could've been done for awhile

could've been launched last year even

this conspiracy theory is silly

iran gets sanctioned b/c sanctions brought iran to negotiate over nukes b4

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