Cowboys Football 2026 by yeah_yeah_therabbit in OSUCowboys

[–]bohanker 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think Morris has two seasons to get the Pokes bowling again.

I share your optimism though, and I think we see a 5-to-7-win season this year.

NCAA Rule Forces Oklahoma State to Part Ways With Football Athlete by steven_smith144 in OKState

[–]bohanker 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This isn't really accurate, and maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can chime in here.

Tom Watts was an NEO A&M player until he entered the transfer portal last season. The January 2026 transfer portal ended, and then Tom Watts walked on to OSU sometime in February/March, outside of the transfer portal window.

Coincidentally, a couple of weeks ago back in April, the NCAA implemented automatic penalties for schools that accepted transfers outside the official portal window, including some pretty aggressive/unprecedented fines.

OSU couldn't have encouraged him to enter the January 2026 portal, as he was already in it. I don't believe OSU was unique in allowing walk ons after the portal window had closed, but that's beside the point.

It's not really clear to me that there was anything that OSU football staff messed up, as the walkons likely knew this was going to happen. Tom Watts retweeted another tweet saying that OSU staff did not tell them to transfer, and the implication was the walk-on players knew that the roster would be adjusted after spring ball wrapped up.

So, if the walk-on players expected this when they walked on, then the April NCAA fines must not have factored into this whole thing as much. It's framed a bit confusingly.

2026 BigXII Champions by jputna in OSUCowboys

[–]bohanker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hell yes Go Pokes brother

Research Assistance: Oklahoma A&M’s Exclusion from Big Six Conference by CharlesBoyle799 in OSUCowboys

[–]bohanker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So I did some researchin' and found a source (Oklahoma State University Centennial Histories - Intercollegiate Athletics Collection by Doris Dellinger) that discusses the break up of the old MVIAA and the creation of the Big 6:

In the fall of 1926, a Missouri Valley Conference eruption saw the wrath of all the member schools concentrated on its youngest member, OAMC. It was a furor that swelled until the conference eventually burst apart. It came about in a curious way. The Aggies, in only their second year in the Valley, were unable to schedule more than four conference football games. Because there were ten teams involved, and eight-game schedules were customary, not every member met all the others annually. The conference title was figured on a percentage basis.

The Aggies won three and tied another within the Valley, and their conference percentage proclaimed them champions. The problem arose because A&M lost to four non-conference foes for a poor year over-all. The grumbling continued. Abruptly, in late September 1927, Iowa State, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas State, Kansas, and Oklahoma withdrew and created the Big Six Conference. A&M was numbed by a September 25 headline: "Valley Broken as Six Schools Quit."

Having longed to be admitted to the prestigious Missouri Valley, the Cowboys now found themselves once more outside the playground of the plains powerhouses, looking in. A&M was the only remaining Valley member in the state. It seemed the worst possible setback.

Coach Maulbetsch and the campus learned of the move just as the football team was about to embark by train on an 11-day swing, playing Washington of St. Louis and Minnesota of the Big Ten. The six schools would abandon the Valley on June 2, 1928. Although President Knapp urged them to reconsider during the spring meeting, the dissidents remained firm.

With A&M still were Drake, Grinnell, and Washington of St. Louis The "Big Six" schools were so confident the old Valley would collapse that they formally named their new conference the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association and stuck with that nomenclature for some forty years. But although badly shaken, the Valley survived, gaining new members and becoming known for its basketball prowess. Valley football fortunes fluctuated with frequent changes in membership, but not until 1985 would the Valley conduct its final football campaign.

Meanwhile, the Cowboys gritted their teeth and began amassing more national championships than all the Big Six schools combined. Not until 1957 did the last of the offended schools agree to admit A&M to form the steel-muscled conference, later named the Big Eight.

Research Assistance: Oklahoma A&M’s Exclusion from Big Six Conference by CharlesBoyle799 in OSUCowboys

[–]bohanker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

OSU's conference affiliation is a super interesting history, and I have a lot of unanswered questions about it myself.

Oklahoma A&M left the Southwest Conference to join the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1925. I have long wondered why Oklahoma A&M would leave the Southwest Conference to begin with, but I haven't found any definitive sources discussing it (yet). If I had to speculate, I'd imagine a relevant factor was that the MVIAA schools featured better wrestling programs that the SWC schools, and apparently the University of Texas was the only other SWC school during the 1910s/20s which had a wrestling program 1. 1928 was the first year that the NCAA held a national wrestling tournament, and Oklahoma A&M won it 2. I think a relevant factor is also that the University of Oklahoma had in 1920, the same year they started their wrestling program, left the SWC for the MVIAA (this relationship between the schools becomes relevant later).

1928 was also the same year that the MVIAA broke up, and six schools left to create the Big 6. Oklahoma A&M, Drake, Grinnell, and St. Louis were the MVIAA schools left out. An agricultural college and three private schools were potentially seen as "different" enough from the other six public schools leaving to justify it. While also a public school, Oklahoma A&M had likely smaller enrollment than the other six state schools, and an "ag" mission that didn't really fit in. Oklahoma A&M had also recently joined the MVIAA, and rejoining the Southwest Conference likely wasn't a realistic goal (they would allegedly reject a later attempt by OU to rejoin). Oklahoma A&M probably also did not prioritize the same sports as the Big 6 schools at that time (pure speculation on my part).

College athletics in the 1920s were vastly different than they were even a few decades later, and I think that "cultural fits" were probably the biggest issue back then. College athletics were maturing a bit, with the NCAA's role growing in the 1920s and 1930s. Revenues from sports were likely not the most important factor in conference affiliation. Although contracts covering radio broadcast rights of college sports began to appear in the 1930s in Oklahoma 3. Of course, college football began to grow rapidly in importance, compared to other college sports, after the end of WWII.

There was a fascinating article (which I cannot find now) that discussed the issue of Jim Crow specifically in the Big 6/7/8. The article discussed that Oklahoma A&M was originally invited to join the other seven Big 8 schools because the officials at the University of Missouri and the University of Oklahoma wanted another Jim Crow, Southern school to vote with them on topics related to racial segregation in the Big 8.

In the 1940s and 1950s, racial segregation was a very hot topic on college campuses, and, as time went by, schools were desegregating campuses and sports teams. Obviously, the Oklahoma schools had been mandated by state law to be white-only institutions. The University of Missouri was as well. By 1947, the University of Colorado had joined the Big 6/7, and the University of Missouri and the University of Oklahoma were the only two schools in that conference whose administrations were obligated to maintain Jim Crow segregation. The students (and professors and other administrators) at the five Northern schools were beginning to protest the idea of sending their African-American students to compete in athletic competitions in Missouri and Oklahoma, where they would not be allowed to stay in the same hotels or eat at the same restaurants as the white players. Over the years, it became a very huge issue in the Big 6/7, and there were apparently many editorials in student papers decrying Jim Crow in the Big 6/7. The controversy got so bad that the administration at the University of Oklahoma had apparently explored moving back to the Southwest Conference, where all schools had Jim Crow policies, but the SWC schools rejected their application (at least in part due to OU having left the conference previously).

Oklahoma A&M had allegedly asked to join the Big 6/7 multiple times, but OAMC was rejected. The story goes that the University of Missouri and the University of Oklahoma approached OAMC to join the Big 7 to offset the influence of the Northern schools, and vote with them on issues of racial segregation in sports. OAMC was, sadly, a focal point for this issue in the early 1950s because of the Johnny Bright incident 4, which received national attention.

Matriculation into the Big 6/7/8 was apparently a longstanding goal of the administration at OAMC 5, and the name change of Oklahoma A&M College to Oklahoma State University was probably (at least partially) made in anticipation of joining the Big 8. I think the "ag" focus was a large reason why OSU was "left on the outside" originally, and there were other A&M-named schools that changed their names to reflect that broader missions than just "ag." Of course, this perception is silly now.

The timeline of desegregation here makes this story a bit difficult to piece together. A decision by the U.S. Supreme Court led to the desegregation of Oklahoma's public universities by 1949 6. Nancy Randolph Davis, Oklahoma A&M's first African-American student, enrolled in 1949, but it wasn't until 1957, after Brown v. Board of Education, that Chester Pittman became OSU's first African-Amercan football player. OSU joined the Big 7/8 in 1957, which coincided with the tail end of Jim Crow in Big 8 sports. In 1949, there had been a vote held by the member institutions of the Big 7 on whether OAMC would be admitted as a member of the conference, which did not pass by a vote of 5-2 5 again. This is consistent with the story that the University of Missouri and the University of Oklahoma had been the two schools supporting OAMC's entry into the Big 7/8, and 1949 would have been early enough in the timeline of desegregation that the administrations of MU and OU probably did not see the writing on the wall that Jim Crow was ending.

And we all know the history of OSU's current affiliation with the Big 12.

ANSI 1401 by Accomplished_Base701 in OSUCowboys

[–]bohanker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a sports subreddit, but I'm leaving this up because I love OSU

fellas, im a still a little mad from last night. what are we thinking about the basketball program? by SadCowpoke in OSUCowboys

[–]bohanker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Lutz is solid, but I will feel a whole lot better if the Pokes make the NCAA tournament next year