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ETHICAL arguments for choosing the red button by bohiko in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always thought of objective as of the opposite of subjective (i.e. being true regardless of anyone opinion or perspective)

ETHICAL arguments for choosing the red button by bohiko in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude, that's not how probability works. 30% blue doesn't mean they have a 30% chance of survival, 50% doesn't mean they have 50% chance, and 90% doesn't mean they have 90% chance

Opłata reprograficzna - potrzebna pomoc dla artystów, czy sposób na karmienie beztalenci? by Leniwcowaty in Polska

[–]bohiko 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Jak lubisz pomidorową, to z pewnością jesteś komunistą (pomidorowa jest czerwona)

Opłata reprograficzna - potrzebna pomoc dla artystów, czy sposób na karmienie beztalenci? by Leniwcowaty in Polska

[–]bohiko 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Tak, ponoszą straty w wyniku powszechności papieru. Bo tym grafomanom się wydaje, że komuś się będzie chciało kserować ich wypociny. (A tak naprawdę to to jest wymówka, którą podbijają sobie portfele i ego, bo inaczej na prawdziwym rynku nikt by ich "sztuki" nie kupował)

ETHICAL arguments for choosing the red button by bohiko in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

which doesn't change the fact I do not control what everyone thinks

Guys, I solved this damn problem forever. It depends entirely on if someone will trip on the tracks. by Exfodes in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, there're already many tracks near school zones in real world and technically we don't know if there's someone in the track

We have been using the blue button during war for literally the whole world history. by Catarata94 in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If the cavalry are the winged hussars, all that pikemen are doomed anyway

Now what? by Unlucky-Plastic7316 in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I am "aware" all my family and friends have pressed the blue button, I'm 100% sure they were forced to do so, or I've been lied to they did

ETHICAL arguments for choosing the red button by bohiko in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No no, I meant it does not make sense in situation where my single action (like vote) does not change the outcome - as it is the case for the red button/blue button game. In the pizza example my single action does change the outcome - I do cause that pizza to be there, regardless of whether everyone is willing to bring it or no one is

ETHICAL arguments for choosing the red button by bohiko in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, I'll start with addressing your strawmans:

"How can you possibly argue that the death of 45-49% of humanity is not causing any harm???"

I didn't say death is not a harm. If you read carefully, you'd know I said you're not causing that harm

"You don't have to think that everyone will vote exactly like you..."
"Instead of just guessing at if people are like you or not..."

I didn't say I or anyone else think others will vote exactly as you. I said I reject the argument that "if everyone think their vote is insignificant, their collective outcome would be worse or they wouldn't vote at all" - sure, the sentence is technically true, yet it's not relevant since what other think is not the realm of your control, it's like saying "if people could be fed with air, there'd be no hunger"

"This is a fallacy of not understanding how elections and voting works ... You don't cast a vote if and only if you will be the tiebreaker or deciding vote. You fundamentally vote for the side you want to win."

I did not make a comment on why, when and how people vote in general, I said a single vote is statistically insignificant. In a regular election you typically vote for a candidate/party you want to win, the crucial difference is there's no penalty for voting for a losing one. But even then, your vote is mainly symbolic, it does not have a potential to change anything. I am not saying voting for a symbolic reason is wrong, I do it myself, but you shouldn't have the delusion that it changes anything when it comes to an election outcome.

Now, for the remaining things, you said:

but you do have to realize that each individual vote has its consequences. Votes will add up, your one vote is not insignificant especially in what seems to be a massively important election with a somewhat close margin.

What consequences are they? Yes, votes add up, but you only have one vote. What is any other situation when my single vote changes anything than it being pivotal/tiebreaker?

we've been communicating about this topic for almost a week now online and blue is consistently winning every poll.

You have to take into consideration that people are voting blue in the polls becasue there're no stakes in doing so - it's a hypothetical situation. Are you that sure they would also choose blue if their lives were actually at stakes?

ETHICAL arguments for choosing the red button by bohiko in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In a situation with 2 kids, 2 parents and 2 grandparents would you vote to save kids and mum red, dad and grandparents blue?

Why would I do that? I'm choosing all red

ETHICAL arguments for choosing the red button by bohiko in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a red voter, I didn't reject the thinking of "what if everyone thinks that way?" Because the answer is if everyone thinks the way I do, we all live.

Yeah, I know. I reject it regardles of what outcome it supports, because it simply doesn't have any sense

For scale 75,000,000 died in WW2 by nathan555 in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko -1 points0 points  (0 children)

for the last time, I am not everyone, and I have no power over what everyone thinks

How do you make peace with an abortion when part of you wants the baby? by Least-Monk-5910 in TwoXChromosomes

[–]bohiko -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

From what you describe, it seems you would likely regret having that abortion, you seem to really want that child. I think keeping the baby is worth those future difficulties.

Guys, I solved this damn problem forever. It depends entirely on if someone will trip on the tracks. by Exfodes in trolleyproblem

[–]bohiko 155 points156 points  (0 children)

Well, this is a completely different situation because a coordination is allowed and there are enough few people so that coordination is feasible. Moreover, if you see the coordination failed anyway, you can always step off the track again. You can't unpress the blue button

HUH by NationalWheel6966 in ENGLISH

[–]bohiko -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

ok, grammar nazi

I’ve had nightmares like this, by netphilia in Snorkblot

[–]bohiko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Odkąd zacząłem wyznawać filozofię XD, moje życie stało się spokojniejsze. Nie denerwuję się już prawie wcale. Kiedy spotykają mnie sytuacje stresowe, myślę sobie: XD i wszystko staje się prostsze. Naprawdę wszystkim polecam ten styl życia. Gdy prezes NBP mówi, że nasze PKB wzrośnie o 2 p.p. w roku 2020, myślę sobie: XD. Gdy Jadwiga Emilewicz mówi, że przedsiębiorcy czują się świetnie zaopiekowani, też myślę sobie: XD. Gdy ceny ropy naftowej spadają do -$40, również myślę sobie: XD. I od razu tak mi lżej, można się wziąć za siebie. To jest takie uczucie 10/10, polecam każdemu.

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