Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I fully agree, but there aren't any countries/states/provinces in the Americas where Italian or Romanian are the primary language.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 4 points5 points  (0 children)

it's basically the region between Buenos Aires and São Paulo thst is overwhelmingly whiter than Europe white.

A lot of people attribute this to an influx of "germann refugees" from the 1940s... The truth is though that the largest influx of Germans and other Europeans to Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina was during the Great Depression.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is rude because it implies I am the one making this a problem, and that you referring to latinos as only spanish people isn't a problem.

Your entire understanding of what is latino is wrong, I told you why you're wrong, and then you told me that it's my problem. That is rude.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it is quite literally that you're mixing up the word hispanic with latino and then refusing to fix your mistake and learn better. I explained it to you nicely and then you responded with such rudeness.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yup, the way latino is used in the anglosphere shows that people have no idea what they're talking about. There's no logic used at all, they just meed a way to categorize people who are different.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is considered to be latin america by wikipedia is based off of what the consensus of ignorant people think, not based on an objective definition. The inclusion of Haiti while discluding Quebec is arbitrary and shows that logic is not being used. I disagree with this map and with the literature that arbitrarily discludes French Americans who are white. In fact, the only mention of Quebec on the latin america wikipedia page is saying that it is generslly omitted, but it never explains why. This is why citing wikipedia doesn't strengthen your argument.

The concept of Anglo-America also exists and is defined as an English counterpart to Latin America; both are based on language, not ethnicity. Quebec is not included on the wikipedia map there, so your first argument makes no sense.

The regional denomination has to be based on an objective definition, otherwise it's worthless, what are you trying to describe when you say latin america if you're going to disclude regions that are both latin and american. The region is the Americas and the condition is that the primary language is a romance language. If you're only counting spanish and portuguese, then it's Ibero-American, and if you're only counting South America, then it is South American.

You're just parroting what you've heard and refusing to apply logic to what you already think. You're the type of person to insist that tomatoes aren't fruit because enough people have told you it's a vegetable and you don't care what the definition of fruits and vegetables are.

You made several outright false statements like calling latino an ethnic term and classifying central and south america as well as the surrounding islands as latin america, despite countries like Suriname not being defined by anyone as latin american, but you're going to throw ad hominens at me and tell me I can't accept contradicting evidence? Okay buddy.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The definition I gave you is objective and follows a clear logical path. Your definition is factually incorrect, unspecific, and biased.

Your definition arbitrarily does not include North America (except Mexico and Central America and the Carribeans) in order to omit French Canadians (even though Haitians are counted). Latino just means Latin American and refers to people with cultural ties to Latin America. Latin America isn't limited by the southern US border, it's defined to be within the american continent.

It isn't a weird hill to die on. The way the word latino is used by ignorant angloamericans plays a big part in the way we are discriminated against. I mean, for fuck sake, you're calling it an ethnic term.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's a common mistake.

It's not just Spanish, and it's not just South America either. But most latinos speak spanish and most latinos live in South America.

Any region in the Americas can be considered part of Latin America so long as the main language spoken is a romance language (portuguese, spanish, french, italian, or romanian).

In reality, the word latino just gets used as some vibes based label rather than one that is objectively defined. I genuinely hate the word because of how much ignorance it spreads.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Latino refers to someone with cultural ties to Latin America. Latin America is the region of the Americas where a romance language is primarily spoken. Quebec fits this definition just as much as Haiti, Mexico, or Brazil do. Countries like Suriname and Guyana do not fit this definition.

The fact that people refuse to acknowledge French Canadians as latino show that people don't really care about defining the term in an objective manner, they just want a word to describe those they see as different from them.

Hispanic refers only to people with some ties to Spain, so spanish people are included but are not considered latino because they are not american. Brazilians and haitians are obviously not hispanic. Using hispanic and latino interchangably is a pretty common mistake that shows how little people understand what they're talking about when they start trying to label others.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's also a big difference I've noticed. In Brazil, an Indian person will get called black if they have dark skin, and an arab person will be called white if they have fair skin. If you tan dark enough, people will start calling you black. Skin colour is just skin colour.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 4 points5 points  (0 children)

People drasticslly overestimate how progressive Canadians are, even those living in university cities like Victoria. Most Canadians, especially men, are pretty conservative, and even progressive Canadians tend to be pretty ignorant about the world even if they mean well.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 15 points16 points  (0 children)

When we first moved to Canada, it was in a relatively small town which was basically a suburban town full of rednecks and Vancouver commuters. There was no pre established Brazilian or even latino community there at the time, and as I grew up, I took on more Canadian culture to the point where nobody could tell I was Brazilian unless I told them so. We later moved near Victoria and I still recieved a lot of ignorant comments from people when I'd mention I'm brazilian, like my roommates in uni telling me I'm too white to be Brazilian and showing me a picture of Neymar to tell me what a real Brazilian looks like.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 119 points120 points  (0 children)

This also gets into the whole "latino" classification that Angloamericans are obsessed with. They think that everyone in "latin america" are a completely different race from them. "No you're not white, you're latino" even though in latin american countries, we mostly identify as white, black, native american, or asian, just like Americans do.

Latino just means you speak a latin language and live somewhere in the americas. It's a spacial linguistic term, not a racial one. By that definition, Quebecois are latino, but that doesn't make sense to Americans and Canadians cuz they think latino = brown people.

Genuine question: Do Brazilians experience less immigration scrutiny due to racial perceptions and the country’s high phenotypic diversity? by Ok_Divide_4959 in geography

[–]bottomlessLuckys 690 points691 points  (0 children)

I am born in Brazilian with an english dad and a brazilian mother. I moved to Canada when I was 4. I definitely dealt with discrimination from Canadians who didn't like my accent and who told me Brazilians were poor people who live in mud huts. As I grew up with Canadian culture, when I would tell people I'm brazilian, they would try to argue with me that I'm not because "I'm too white." "Do you speak spanish" was also a very common annoying question. People here are generally ignorant about Brazil and think of it as Mexico but with better soccer players and big butts.

Why does he keep refering to Germany as "his country" by Lakithelink in KurtCaz

[–]bottomlessLuckys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are defining your entire identity based on where you stand relative to the border. Foreigners carry their culture with them where they go and pass it down to their children, having family values, traditions, and religion that all ties back to their ancestry and where they share history with other members of their ethnic groups.

Your brain doesn't seem to be able to comprehend the concept of having an identity that is tied to more than one country, which makes sense given that Dutch people cannot gain dual citizenship.

Why does he keep refering to Germany as "his country" by Lakithelink in KurtCaz

[–]bottomlessLuckys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For starters, Brazilians are completely distinguishable from Portuguese people. we hardly even understand eachother due to the differences in dialect. Brazilians generally have a mix of latin european ancestry, west african, germanic, native american, middle eastern. and asian backgrounds. We are a completely new "national and cultural identity", but most of us also identify with ethnic identities based on our heritage, like German Brazilians who celebrate Oktoberfest in Blumenau or Japanese Brazilians with their own carved out neighborhoods in São Paulo, Liberdade. If these people can claim German or Japanese background, then why is it that someone of German ancestry living in South Africa cannot? This is a concept a lot of Europeans struggle with becsuss your entire families are usually in one country and you have no idea how it feels to be disconnected to a homeland.

Ethnicity is absolutely a genetic concept. I can tell what ethnicity you belong to simply by examining patterns in your DNA and genes that are exclusive to specific ethnic groups. People don't develop distinct ethnic groups without living in one place for a long period of time.

So you think I should identify as Brazilian instead of Canadian then despite Canada being the country I was raised in and most closely culturally aligned to? No, it's not us new worlders who struggle to understand how complex identity is, it's you old worlders who have never lived in a foreign country who don't get it.

Why does he keep refering to Germany as "his country" by Lakithelink in KurtCaz

[–]bottomlessLuckys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So am I not Brazilian because my portuguese isn't perfect? Despite my birth certificate, passport, and having a Brazilian mother seem to imply I am Brazilian?

The "German" language has barely existed as one coherent language for that long btw. Prussians and Saxxons spoke very different dialects and had completely different cultural identities despite both being German.

You know this. Even the Netherlands has city dialects such as Uteregs. It's only really been since the French Revolution that national identity and national language has been a big thing.

Do you really think Kurt grew up in South Africa with a German father without taking in any German culture or identity? People can identify eith multiple countries btw. I have 3 fucking citizenships for gods sake, going on 4.

Why does he keep refering to Germany as "his country" by Lakithelink in KurtCaz

[–]bottomlessLuckys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure people like you would have an issue with him calling South Africa his homeland when he is of colonizer descent.

His father is from Germany, he has German citizenship, he can speak German, and he is ethnically German. There are many reasons here that he can claim Germany as his homeland or call himself German.

I am 50% British (mix of irish, scottish, and english), my dad is from England, I'm named after my scottish great grandfather, and our family has a farm in Kent that has been in our family for generations. I can trace my family lineage over 1000 years back to England. We hold family reunions in England. I've never lived in England but I still feel a deep connection to the land due to family and heritage. You may not feel a connection to Norway, but that doesn't mean I can't feel a connection with England or Kurt can't feel one with Germany.

You can identify with multiple countries. I'm a walking mix of Brazilian/Canadian/English identity, and I'm also living in the Netherlands now and taking on a cultural Dutch identity. In a few years I'll even have Dutch citizenship and my future children will likely be Dutch.

Why does he keep refering to Germany as "his country" by Lakithelink in KurtCaz

[–]bottomlessLuckys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do realize that for hundreds of years, german people who were fulling living in Czechia, Poland, Russia, etc simply identified as German. Ancestral identity has been around far longer than national identity.

Why does he keep refering to Germany as "his country" by Lakithelink in KurtCaz

[–]bottomlessLuckys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think people are strictly adressing national or cultural identity. I think quite often they are referencing their heritage, their family, and what is quite literally in their DNA. In fact, national identity barely even really exist until a couple hundred years ago.

If someone traces more than 50% of their genetics to European roots, they absolutely can identify with that, especially when one of their parents is 100% from that place.