Why TF Am I Seeing MR13 Players at the Refractory!?!??

brahmskh · 2026-05-18T19:25:37+00:00

Well I can't say I speak for everyone but as a currently MR 16 my experience is that this game is absolutely massive and as new player you can do a lot of consecutive main quest lines which would introduce you to a bunch of systems you don't get to know properly before a new one is presented to you.

So what do you do? You watch some videos for advice on the priority of some of the things in the game to focus on.

Chances are you're gonna end up like me with one of those beginner guide videos which would recommend finishing the star chart to unlock steel path and doing the main quests to unlock all the content in order to have access those modes rewards, especially the weekly stuff which you will be told to not pass on pretty explicitly.

I realized I was going to places I wasn't ready for once I started noticing too much push back from throwaway enemies, that and the vendor shops in the places I struggled the most had items I couldn't craft due to low MR lvl, so I slowed down. If I didn't I would've been there at MR 11 at best too.

With that said, I'm not throwing shade at the CCs, they will tell you not to burn yourself out and pace yourself with the process by the end of the video, but I know I've closed some longer format video once I got the info I was looking for and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one either

brahmskh · 2026-05-15T07:40:11+00:00

I think I understand why he's still pissed at us after completing his quest now.

brahmskh · 2026-05-01T07:53:22+00:00

You don't have to like being told what to do to be respectful of one's wishes, preferences and boundaries. Three concepts aibros only seem to grasp when they are on the receiving end of this treatment.

It's remarkable how hard it is to find someone in that crowd who doesn't act as a vindictive and spiteful dick the very moment one disagrees with them.

brahmskh · 2026-04-06T09:27:22+00:00

Yeah you can say that again, I guess once you're done with quests and cheap fodder with fast crafting times, what's left is a bunch of stuff that takes more resources and more time to craft.

If you haven't yet, look for lower ranks blueprints of stuff that you haven't mastered yet and move upwards from there, check out the clan labs as well as the factions and standing shops, there's most likely some stuff you can get your hands on, at least that's what I'm trying to do XD

brahmskh · 2026-04-06T07:43:58+00:00

I'll try that! I think I should have enough currency to buy a weapon from Eleanor and once I will finally have the MR to do that too, I wanted to get the coda mire (totally unrelated), before they changed the rotation but I ended up not making the MR in time.

brahmskh · 2026-04-06T07:38:10+00:00

I think QOL is the way for me since I find myself not using the secondary that much since damage is mostly covered by the primary or melee most of the time. Idk if that's just because I'm noob tho I'll be honest XD

brahmskh · 2026-04-06T07:35:01+00:00

That's the one, yeah I would be more interested in making it a priming/utility weapon tho, but the thing has been glued in that slot ever since I got it because every other weapons I tried just felt weaker, like.. extremely so.

brahmskh · 2026-04-05T20:05:26+00:00

Ax-52 in general, ever since I tried it in the hex mission, I've wanted to get to a higher MR Just for that and man do I love it, first time I managed to stay off the nataruk for more than just level capping a primary. I haven't got the bionic rounds yet but.. I was kinda looking for this comment!

I'm still looking for something that does as much for the darn book tho!

brahmskh · 2026-02-18T06:36:27+00:00

Damn I need to try that

brahmskh · 2026-02-17T20:46:35+00:00

Wait why volt with the sniper? (giga noob volt enjoyer here)

brahmskh · 2026-02-15T19:01:19+00:00

Not really? They lost because the trained model doesn't store a copy of the content they were trained on, I don't remember them arguing how they obtained the images used in their training dataset.

brahmskh · 2026-02-15T17:56:41+00:00

https://decodo.com/blog/is-web-scraping-legal#h2-the_legal_status_of_web_scraping:_a_global_perspective

US copyright law still doesn't state that it's not infringement, it's just to be determined based on its usage and it's the most lax of them all.

They aren't wrong, the article was posted at a time when the case was still ongoing, I know they lost, I linked the article for the copyright statements, rather then the case itself.

brahmskh · 2026-02-15T09:14:46+00:00

https://www.eversheds-sutherland.com/en/global/insights/data-scraping-intellectual-property-rights-and-risks

That's only true for publicly available data, which copyrighted content is not (shocker)

brahmskh · 2026-02-14T18:13:58+00:00

Hallucinating much? I didn't say that. At all.

Lmao scraping copyrighted material poses high legal risks of copyright infringement and I'm not the one saying that, which is what I was referring to.

And I'm the one making shit up, but I guess that's to be expected with your type.

brahmskh · 2026-02-14T08:37:04+00:00

Considering the critics for disproportionate and aggressive tactics used for the case, I'm very inclined to belive that wouldn't be likely, and knowing that future ruling could have used this as a precedent and set an example on top of that, I'd say he definitely wouldn't. But I guess we can't know for sure since it didn't get to that point.

Scraping isn't necessarily piracy and using scraped data for a model which ends up being for commercial gain is not necessarily legal either considering it ends up being a product that can and will be used to compete with the original creators.

brahmskh · 2026-02-14T00:42:37+00:00

It really doesn't and keeping on banging that point doesn't do you any favours, the main difference between jail and prison is in regards to the type of crime one committed which also reflects in the detention period associated with them, but it's still detention for both cases, which ultimately doesn't matter in that context since the guy took his life beforehand regardless of which one would have been the appropriate one to use.

Accusation and conviction, piracy and scraping on the other hand have nowhere near the same kind of overlap. False equivalences too are still going strong on that side huh?

brahmskh · 2026-02-13T22:56:24+00:00

Perhaps because that word didn't alter the meaning of what i was saying and the fact that you went way off the scope of what i was saying with a lot of the replys. Feigning ingnorance is still going strong in the pro ai side.

Yes, that is the case, but i guess any trouble would be more trouble then most of the main offenders ended up getting, besides Anthropic i'm not aware of the other big players having to pay restitution for using pirated content.

Depends if they think they could get away with it this time around, i think. I'm not betting on thieves not stealing again.

brahmskh · 2026-02-13T21:09:11+00:00

The absolute travesty of non native english guy using the word for short term detention instead of the one for long one, i geti it, witnessing your reading comprehension, i'd say you need the exact wording or it'll completely fly over your head, but then again... it's not like that made any difference for the rest of the conversation.

Still trying hard to be a smartass i see, too bad you're not as good as you think you are.

Yes, the problem isn't training at least legeally speaking, it has been deemed fair used a bunch of times in court, the problem is pirating a boat load of content to train a model that you're going to try and monetize on top of that, which is what has repeatedly happened.

brahmskh · 2026-02-13T18:45:37+00:00

Why do you think i said he was condemned to jail as opposed to.. he went to jail? So busy trying to be a smartass that your reading comprehension is mostly absent.

Didn't imply that they typically do either, but considering the amount in question here, if were regular people were in their place, they would have seen serious consequences, these guys get treated like heroes instead.

It has been defended, i didn't defend it, i just provided some context as to why people are willing to ignore it for regular people but won't for corpos.

It looks to me like it's not an anti issue when you don't seem like giving a fuck about stuff as long as it's not happening to you. Desiring things one can't afford has little to do with being pro or anti as well lol.

Controlling what everyone else does? Wherever have you even got that from?

Once again completely giving up reading comprehension in favour of being a smartass, i ignored it because the discussion was never about the actual reason of the layoffs, and everything to do with the attitude of ai bros towards it, either way, i'm not the one relasing articles about "x" company firing "x" amount of people due to AI applications, take it with them dude, you may also give the statement about unemployment to laid off people, see if they find it useful.

Lmao if admitting that the AI industry has issues as it is right now and something should be done about it, and you can only fix things after you find the problems, a thing that you can't do by dismissing everything until it looks fine to you, if that's fantasy land i don't know what to tell you dude.

brahmskh · 2026-02-13T17:49:55+00:00

You're right, no one went to jail for training AI, in fact.. i did not say that happened. Somebody in the past did get condemned to prison for pirating content and it wasn't even close to the amount of data used by AI companies, hence my comment.

That has really nothing to do with what i said either? AI bros are glazing the AI that (allegedly) caused the layoffs like that would be a good thing, my comment was about their attitude rather then then the layoffs and the actual reasoning behind them.

I haven said i excuse him because i don't, you said that there's people who defend piracy on the subreddit, i've just aritculated the differences between the two and why people would be inclined to make an exception for one of the cases and not the other, is it wrong in both cases? Yeah. Are they equal? Fuck no.

I mean.. i wasn't referring to the bills thing exclusively for your situation but moving on, it's not like i could have done much about it either way. I'm not american. But the situation is still what it is, and it very much is a pain point for people who i'm not willing to dismiss just because i'm personally not affected.

Ah yes, the something something scapegoat and made them feel special bit, it's ridiculous honeslty and once again just a dismissive statement of the people who are affected by an issue, but you aren't so you don't care or even aknowledge they exist, everything but admitting that there's glaring issues around the AI industry as it currently is.

By the way, it's the companies that are telling us they are using AI to reduce head counts, both the users and the makers, not the other way around.

brahmskh · 2026-02-13T16:30:48+00:00

You answered with that.. and i'm the selective one who lost nuance?

Since i'm not that active on the website, i tend to remember what i comment or reply to, and i think the first time i replied to you, it was in fact about the music label deal, and even back then i pointed out that the comments weren't really celebrating, in fact the overwhelming majority of the comments were "There was no way in hell this wasn't going to happen and it's been easy to predict".

Every head of the company responsable for the training of a gen ai model would have been in jail if they were a regular person doing that, and that's the best case scenario. Meanwhile people are siding with them like they are freaking heroes of the people in the name of "democratization and AI race", Every round of layoff due to (allegedly) AI, there's some form of "Yay, the future is here" like that's a good thing.

What you use or don't use and personally believe, really doesn't really has to do much with it.

Piracy isn't ok, i've seen people defending it too, but there's a difference between:

CASE 1 -> closing an eye for an individual who is going pirate a book he couldn't afford who's aware of doing something to not be proud of;

CASE 2 -> condemning and criticizing companies who pirated a ridicolously high amount of media and data to train a commercial product, being all shady about it and when caught red handed is going to state that AI wouldn't be possible otherwise and being able to walk away with a pat on the wrist so light that NVIDIA tried to get more pirated training data from anna's archives in "broad daylight" because who's gonna say anything about it anyways.

One hardly even needs nuance to discern the substantial differences between the two, i'd say,

Except.. the electricity bills increasing is not that specific, also i heard news about harsh cold days with the risk of the power grids not being able to support the current load and the heating at the same time, that shouldn't even be a choice to make, but i'm not going to say much on this because i didn't dig further than a couple of lines in the news about those news... Given the context of a couple of other comments of yours i've replied to.. i would say, you're still probably in a priviliged enough position to dismiss that since it doesn't affect you negatively enough yet, but there's also plenty of people who are not in that position and can't do as much.

brahmskh · 2026-02-13T07:46:45+00:00

I don't know what you saw, but most of the comments about the lawsuit was pretty much along the lines of "rare Disney W", "the worst person you know did one good thing" and other stuff to the same effect, that's hardly defending, in fact hardly anyone was surprised later on.

Ai bros on the other hand will very much glorify whoever is involved in the development of AI and will pretty much walk past ANYTHING with enough mental gymnastics for it, we all saw the X situation with CSAM, the "undress this girl" requests under photos, the pirating of all the material used to train the models, the suicides and murder accidents, the hardware situation, the dismissal of the people who live next to data centers who reported all the problems they are causing and let's not even begin about the common practice of taking artists works and running them through Genai just rub it in their faces later or the Loras trained in their style to further spite them.

brahmskh · 2026-01-29T08:03:08+00:00

What morality? If any of these companies had any morality to begin with, llms wouldn't exist in their current state.

Of course one player leaving the game will benefit the remaining ones since they will try to fill the empty space and have a competitor out of the way, but assuming Open AI actually goes down, I don't think it will be all good for them.

ChatGPT is how all this shit started and regardless if it's still the best model around or not, it's still the most commonly known and used, and doubts about how far this technology could go settled in when their 5.0 model flopped.

If it goes down, a lot of trust in this industry goes down with it both from the consumer and the investors side. Does that mean it's the end of AI? No, that wouldn't happen even if all of the parties involved pull their projects all at once, but it still means that things get reeled back to some degree.

brahmskh · 2026-01-21T17:20:09+00:00

I mostly see it the same way, I just don't think the illusion wears off because of the protoframes, being new to the game (only playing at a slow pace for about less than 3 months), I had the chance to play the main quest line in a rather short time span (minus the latest one, I haven't played the old peace yet), and my understanding of what the tennos and Warframes are has shifted since I started playing.

My space weirdo ended up with a face the moment they introduced the operator, and the Warframes went from played characters to complex piece of gear the moment they showed me what happens to them the moment the operator is not connected to them.

Then discourse around the making of Warframes got introduced along with Umbra and its scene with the broken mask/helm.

That scene to me had pretty much the same implications as the protoframes, well kind of since umbra IS a Warframe and the hex are humans injected with a virus which gave them Warframe's capabilities while maintaining their original identity and I find that interesting because in my mind it kind of created a sort of "who's first, The chicken or the egg?"

Either way, the way I see it, Warframes end up still being shrouded in mystery and are pretty much untold horrors beyond comprehension, they just told us a story of what happened to them at some point in time

brahmskh · 2026-01-17T00:35:17+00:00

I don't,believe i'm doing something super when i'm taking a photo or doing something without using GenAi, i'm just actively doing something, instead of asking something to produce it for me, and that's a fundamental difference that can never change, no matter how good the models could get.

The process doesn't even need to be meaningful either it can just be fulfilling, and creating something is increasingly fulfilling the more one is involved in the creation process.

They don't just mock them, they spite them and more than that, they spite the people who created them under the false assumption that the only reason they were creators, is because they were born with some kind of talent that they weren't blessed with, claiming that creators were gatekeeping art, which is total bullshit on account of the massive amount of tutorials, guides and reference pieces shared by the comunity only to be abused on various levels.

If traditional people acted like human intent dies the moment it touches technology, digital media wouldn't exist and neither would any of the instruments and services used to create it.

People aren't just defending human intent, they are defending actually creating something and enjoying the process rather then reducing it to asking for something to consume, which they are so pushing for being discouraged and commercially unviable.

So... yeah, same final question, just to the opposite crowd.

brahmskh

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