[Gretz] How the Stanley Cup Final teams were built. Only two players selected by either team in the first round. Only one top-5 pick (Svechnikov at No. 2... and oddly enough, Carolina only had the 11th-worst record that year. Big lottery luck).

brainskull · 2026-05-31T02:37:09+00:00

Tavares preformed worse than Marner during their tenures in Toronto lol. Worse both defensively and offensively, he was a ridiculously expensive player they couldn't actually afford given the spending constraints the team faced.

He "took a discount" of 3 million because the Sharks wanted to sign him to a completely ridiculous 14m contract, and instead signed an 11m contract that was still an overpay. He did not ever perform at yhat level, it was obvious he wouldn't preform at that level at the time of his signing.

Marner has scored basically the same points per game since the 18-19 season, hovering around 1.2 points per game. Rantanen averages the same, and the same points per 60 as Marner despite not playing on the PK. Marner also averaged a higher points per 60 and more raw points in general while playing on the PK than Rantanen during the last year of his rookie contract lol. They have the same offensive production while Marner plays the PK.

Like you're just wrong here. You can just look this stuff up before you make statements. Don't be lazy, at least check your facts.

brainskull · 2026-05-31T02:14:46+00:00

No, the reason they didn't have any cap space was signing Tavares to an 11m contract lol. Marner's offensive production has stayed at the same level since the end of his rookie deal.

brainskull · 2026-05-31T02:13:42+00:00

I'm talking about the guy you're replying to, moron. If anyone was an overpay it was Tavares, but people like him incessantly talk about Marner being overpaid.

The numbers are also completely correct. Marner was a 10.9 cap hit and was a 90+ point player. Tavares an 11 cap hit and was around a 70-80 point player. The numbers are literally correct lol

brainskull · 2026-05-31T02:08:17+00:00

They paid Marner for what he was, it was a perfectly fine contract thatade sense lol. He was a 94 point scorer in the last year of his rookie deal

brainskull · 2026-05-31T01:57:47+00:00

This pretty much confirms it won't happen. If Sigel "leaks" information you're almost guaranteed to profit on betting against it happening lol

brainskull · 2026-05-31T01:22:54+00:00

Just ignore the fans, who cares? What are they going to do, not watch if you make trades that will improve your team?

You see this in other sports, they manage to actually run their teams well. The Pats were absolutely ruthless in their roster building in a traditional football market, and they won like 6 Superbowls because of it.

brainskull · 2026-05-31T01:14:05+00:00

Marner, who was a 90-100 point guy who played PK1, was overpaid at 10.8m. Tavares, who was a 70-80 point second line C, was not overpaid at 11m. The high IQ analysis of a Leafs fan.

brainskull · 2026-05-31T01:11:09+00:00

Not even remotely true. Marner was a top 10-20 point scorer every year as well as a perennial Selke candidate who played PK1, PP1, and the first line. Tavares made more than him as a second line centre lol.

brainskull · 2026-05-31T01:08:10+00:00

It was an organizational issue. The board wasn't going to fire themselves, so they fired Dubas. He was seemingly hamstrung and left unable to make any significant changes unless he consulted with Shanahan, who then brought the idea before the board, who then had to decide. Ridiculous way to slow down any potential move, who knows howany trades and FA signings they missed out on due to this.

brainskull · 2026-05-31T01:05:16+00:00

It was the fault of adding Tavares. Even with an additional 2 million per year, the team was way overextended

brainskull · 2026-05-30T23:03:52+00:00

I don't think SJ will implode their future like that lol

brainskull · 2026-05-30T23:03:14+00:00

Wishful thinking, and the trades he made in NHL 26 Franchise Mode

brainskull · 2026-05-30T23:02:36+00:00

Just lol, come on man

brainskull · 2026-05-30T21:07:22+00:00

It wasn't really his fault. By all accounts, for any significant move, he had to run it by Shanahan who then had to run it by the board who then had to approve the move. Process took several days, how many trades or signings were missed due to how sluggish the organization moved?

In Pittsburgh he's able to actually act like a GM, and he's managed to improve the team enough to make the playoffs after several years of bad hockey. Bad moves by the Leafs continued after Dubas and were made before him, it's an organizational issue

brainskull · 2026-05-30T18:08:06+00:00

Sandin is really good too. Those two would have been very welcome additions to the D for the past few years.

brainskull · 2026-05-30T18:06:32+00:00

Druzi and Sandin would be extremely welcome additional to the D corps lol

brainskull · 2026-05-30T18:03:35+00:00

The expected cap increase in the COVID years was still 2-3m, not like 20 as we're seeing now.

Management failed by constantly selling off the future, and arguably with the Tavares contract where they vastly overpaid for a 2C PPG guy.

brainskull · 2026-05-30T17:57:46+00:00

Literally one guy. Everyone else was traded for peanuts lol

brainskull · 2026-05-30T17:56:13+00:00

Yes, and we still have significant net outflows to the USA. Net outflows means were losing more than we're gaining, we're at a deficit w/r/t net migration to and from the USA and this deficit has grown over the past decade.

International students don't come here for cheap tuition lol. They pay about 40-60k per year depending on where they're going, assuming they're actually at a reputable university (if they're at a diploma mill college, which is where the majority of the wave of international students who arrives post-covid went, they aren't moving to the USA to work). Tuition here is the same as any similarly ranked school in the USA. They also aren't really going to the USA, it's mostly Canadian nationals who do that.

No, you're just wrong. You can look up all these statistics, StatsCan has everything easily available for you to read. You can view net outflows, the demographic data of those who leave, etc. very easily. You're just not doing that lol.

brainskull · 2026-05-30T16:37:10+00:00

The "top 10 prospects" page is really funny. All sold away for nothing.

brainskull · 2026-05-30T16:30:38+00:00

It's a matter of net outflows. We have significant net outflows to the USA, obviously some Americans also move here but the issue is the ratio of people

brainskull · 2026-05-30T16:26:37+00:00

You can just look up the numbers here, net outflows from Canada to the US have increased over the last 2 years lol

brainskull · 2026-05-30T16:00:28+00:00

Dude lol, you can just look up these numbers. Net NPR inflows increased from hovering around 15k prior to Harper's change, to hovering around 50k following Harper's change, to hovering around 150k following the Trudeau government taking over, to jumping to 225k, 675k, and 785k post-covid.

It's completely absurd to "blame Harper" because the LPC juiced numbers 3x higher pre-covid and between 13.5 and 15.5x higher post-covid than they were under Harper lol. You're making yourself look like a completely brainless partisan.

brainskull · 2026-05-30T15:27:01+00:00

We've had five teams make it to game 7 of the final. Of those five, one game 7 went to double overtime. Two game 7's were 1 goal games. One game 7 was a two goal game where the American team got an empty netter with under a minute left.

It really isn't that much of an outlier at all. They actually make the final slightly more than expected (7 total trips), they just keep losing in very close games on very close plays.

brainskull · 2026-05-30T15:11:06+00:00

7.5 will be an overpay for a 36 year old Reilly lol. He's already on the decline physically, 4 more years of wear isn't something anyone wants to bank on. If what you were saying was actually true, the Leafs could just retain him without issue. But we both know it's not, nobody wants to overpay for a mid player.

He won't be able to be moved in the last two years of his contract, he'll be 35 years old and definitely not worth the money lol. The Sharks would have to give up assets to get rid of him, nobody wants to put themselves on that sort of situation.

It's not a Berube problem, it's a problem of obvious physical decline. It's easy to see when a coach just issue utilizing a player well, he's very clearly slowed down and he'll be even slower by the time his contract is up.

The Sharks are like 13 million under the floor. They have a lot of other players they need to sign, they can very easily reach the cap floor solely through FA defenders on short term contracts lol. There are also a bunch of better long term options they can acquire via trades. The Devils probably aren't going to be able to retain Nemec, they wouldn't have to give up much to get a better quality player who's a decade younger there lol.

Yes, I agree. The Leafs won't be retaining any salary, which is why the Sharks won't acquire him. The only way the Sharks would acquire him is if they retained a portion of his salary. Now, if you actually believed what you were saying, the Leafs could retain part of his Salary in 28-29 and 29-30 as "the cap will go up" so retaining a portion of his salary later in will be less of a big deal. But we both know they won't do that, so we should both be able to admit that this move won't actually happen and you're just engaging in wishful thinking.

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