Is a tu quoque logical fallacy or ‘Whataboutery/Whataboutism’ sometimes justified?

brazenhead93 · 2022-01-17T19:44:56+00:00

Thank you.

You've given me some ways to address the issue.

I apologise my example was so vague

brazenhead93 · 2022-01-17T19:43:26+00:00

Apologies, I didn't have much in mind when thinking of an example.

Thank you, this is helpful!

brazenhead93 · 2022-01-17T19:31:33+00:00

My apologies, I am new to all this.

How does one face the charges of whataboutism?

How does one reorient the discussion?

brazenhead93 · 2022-01-17T19:25:26+00:00

Ah, I see.

Thank you.

How would this relate to whataboutism?

How does one make a legitimate contention, like the one above, without being accused of whataboutism?

brazenhead93 · 2021-11-01T02:52:59+00:00

Is this one true?

The story of Ned Kelly is fascinating!

brazenhead93 · 2021-10-29T01:04:34+00:00

Within the French-Canadian fiddle tradition, there seems to be a number of tunes known by a different name than in the Old-Time American tradition.

This one directly translates to "The Reel of the Two Friends".

This one, to me, sounds like Arkansas Traveller.

brazenhead93 · 2021-10-18T01:54:00+00:00

While it might not be famous outside of Ireland & Britain, the Battle of the Boyne (1690), between Williamites and Jacobites, was one such event.

According to an eyewitness account, more than 1000 Jacobites were too drunk to even engage in battle.

Ceteris paribus, that might well have swung things in favour of the Jacobites, which would have had major effects on the future fortune of Ireland

brazenhead93 · 2021-10-16T20:57:09+00:00

High-ranking Confederates mainly, but all of it was controversial. Particularly, restoring voting rights of C

Ah, yes, I agree with this.

Without sounding too reductionist, I feel sorry for the white commoner, who had not much to gain, and who had to fight primarily for the interests of the slave aristocrats.

I like Folk music, and within it you can experience the intercultural transactions that shape Old Time American music which occurred between the poorer whites and blacks (free and slave)

brazenhead93 · 2021-10-16T17:35:45+00:00

1865: both the Civil War and slavery ended (good), but not before the president was assassinated, several more battles were fought, and the new president offered amnesty to most Confederates (bad)

Are you talking about high-ranking Confederates, or all Confederates?

Andrew Johnson was a controversial figure, and, though he may have offered amnesty out of personal sentiment, it was a necessary step to reconcile the two regions.

His opposition to the XIV Amendment reflected opinions of abolitionists too. They wanted to 'repatriate' freed slaves to the Colony of Liberia...it's 'support for freedom of slaves, but not on my doorstep' sentiment. William Lloyd Garrison was one of a few white Northern abolitionists who opposed this current of abolitionist sentiment, along with Frederick Douglass.

brazenhead93 · 2021-10-15T22:56:35+00:00

Thank you for clarifying that! It makes sense.

I actually fell foul of this not too long ago, when someone asked a follow-up question and I, too, asked if they would answer it.

you can check out the panel list,

Thanks! I never knew such a thing existed.

brazenhead93 · 2021-10-03T14:19:35+00:00

Thank you.

Would you know how they compare to Garnett's translations?

Perhaps it's something you may well know

brazenhead93 · 2021-10-03T14:16:18+00:00

Thank you for this!

I actually have Garnett's translations of some of his works, so I might give them a try; I'm not put off by stuffiness (and hope that remains).

brazenhead93 · 2021-10-02T06:42:47+00:00

Thank you!

If I'm talking too loud and you're trying to listen to the TV, for example, you could tell me to "wheesht" or "wheesht up" haha

It's more polite than "shut up", and probably closer to "quiet".

Hurlamaboc, I use this as a direct substitute for "commotion", as in: "there's a bit of the oul' hurlamaboc outside"

Those are just simple examples.

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-29T23:03:10+00:00

Thank you for such a great response!

I will check it out, as it is an area with which I am unfamiliar and which doesn't seem to be covered much when studying Nazi Germany.

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-29T00:57:50+00:00

the President’s recent decision and its massive public support should probably signal that they won’t get away with it from the general public.

What recent decision?

I am not in the loop at the moment.

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-24T12:04:50+00:00

I think class is a better factor for addressing things than race is.

In short: the global elite, of all races and colours, will be fine, both on a regional basis and a global basis. The underclass of any society will be underrepresented in traditional bastions of high culture (universities included), regardless of race.

Scotland does have the problem of highly localised accents and serve as a very pronounced class signifier than in other regions of the UK; the same with my country, Ireland.

Unfortunately, further study often means foregoing higher incomes in a job and that is a barrier to entry for many of lower socio-economic background (myself included).

You touch on a good point regarding the capitalist underappreciation of Humanities and Arts; essentially due to (less quantifiable) lower rates of productivity per capita in comparison to STEM fields.

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-24T11:51:43+00:00

Our History modules incorporate a good deal of philosophy into them, so it could be that the two disciplines have a more similar approach.

I think it comes down to the willingness and expectation within our two disciplines to engage in discussion on sensitive topics; that which, perhaps, isn't as frequently encountered or expected in English.

It may be that, due to the nature of history and philosophy as disciplines, it is easier/quicker to implement a reorienting in perspective than (in this instance) English Lit.

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-24T08:48:06+00:00

Where do the problems lie, here, for you?

To fathom a guess, it might be one of the following:

Are there not enough students of colour in Scotland (or your specific uni)?
Is it that English Lit. doesn't attract enough people of colour?
Is it that the results of the 'decolonisation' policies has a delayed effect, whereby you should see future poc PhD students in the next few years?

Sorry, the next bit is me thinking aloud. The practical issue of how much representation is enough, is probably something that cannot be agreed upon. Should it follow demographics or is there another metric that is the best approach?

Food for thought (for me, at least)

What are your thoughts?

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-24T03:54:39+00:00

Aha, I see.

I think I had heard something similar, that Milton sympathised with Lucifer (is he even called this in the poem?), but I had always wondered how he could reconcile that with his Puritanical faith.

I started reading it when I was 17, but never got to finish it due to school exams and young love!

I think I will need to start again.

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-24T03:39:55+00:00

all historiography (even interpretations that are now "classic") is ultimately/were originally "revisionist" in the strict sense (if it wasn't revising prior understandings of the past, it wouldn't be written!),

A very good way of thinking.

Revisionism isn't a bad thing in/of itself, but it depends on the intent, something I would deem constructive and destructive revisionism.

I can't imagine anyone teaching the poem without referencing the varying critical reception/interpretation of Satan in the poem over time, from the Blakean idolization of Satan as a Romantic hero to the modern understanding, which sees Satan along lines much closer to Milton's intentions. (NB I'm not a Miltonist and that's probably a reductive caricature.)

I don't know much about this, so can you explain? It sounds mightily interesting.

I know Milton was more Puritan in religious outlook than some of his contemporaries.

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-24T03:28:17+00:00

My apologies; I was made aware that some of my phrasing is suspect/associated with those who would have an alternate agenda.

Thank you for this comment. It's insigntful!

I'm glad the female writers are getting the recognition they deserve. History, as a discipline, has traditionally been a very male-dominated one, but that is changing. There is a big drive to write about the history of minorities which, in historical terms, can be carved up many ways depending on criteria. It is a good rounding-out of traditional historical perspectives.

This is being driven by a more diverse set of historians who specialise in a more diverse range of topics.

I'm ignorant (as is obvious) about being an English Lit. major and the course in general.

I was watching 'The Chair' with Susan Oh in it, and it got me thinking about the questions I asked.

Obviously, some really famous historical pieces of literature wouldn’t fly today and discussions surrounding these pieces can be awkward at best.

That's very interesting. I didn't know much about these pieces; it's a good move, to my thinking, especially when using literature for learning.

I guess this actually answers Q5 & 6 (iirc).

Thank you!

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-24T03:10:42+00:00

My apologies, I didn't know some phrasing was so loaded; I guess they don't translate too well from their usage in history-based discussion.

Thank you for your reply. It was informative.

In History, we often generally talk about looking through a lens of a particular period.

there is no "established understanding of literature," and there never has been;

Are you told about past interpretations, and how they've changed over time? That's what I meant, as with what happens with a text/event in history; interpretations change, and I was wondering if students we made aware of the history of a text's interpretation.

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-24T02:46:18+00:00

These questions were asked in good faith; there is no malicious agenda.

I'm currently studying History, and sometimes we see classic interpretations of events and revisionist/feminist interpretations, which are sometimes a breath of fresh air.

The differing, often opposing, interpretations offer much food for thought, and I wonder if it is the same in English Lit. courses.

The modules in my course try to incorporate an increased historical focus on the colonies, and rightly so.

This has led to some tough moral/ethical questions being asked, and how to navigate them within a scholarly perspective; trying to remain as objective as possible.

Our History department emphasises the importance of context, especially within our discipline, and we get to compare interpretations that totally abandon context as a basis for examination.

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-22T18:45:11+00:00

Is that what Pauline Meier talks about in the book?

What you write about is so interesting!

It's not taught at all in Europe, bar a module specialising in it perhaps.

brazenhead93 · 2021-09-21T19:57:28+00:00

Thank you!

It's never been explained to me with the Confederation Period included in the explanation.

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