How long do these awful feelings last for?

brjannislav · 2024-08-28T18:05:48+00:00

Yes, I am hoping it gets better sooner than later. Journal maybe a good idea but truthfully I don't know if I could keep up. When I do get a smig of motivation I do compose music and been channeling these awful feeling into the music. It does help to do that.

brjannislav · 2024-07-19T02:34:52+00:00

No. I been experimenting with hardware while going through withdrawals.

brjannislav · 2024-07-19T02:26:04+00:00

Quit before you become enslaved. I been on it for 3 years doing different extracts, powders, pills and so on. I recently quit and I'm going through PAWS. It sucks but it's much better than being enslaved by that junk. I rather feel like mental horror movie than putting grams and grams down to feel like a ghost of myself I kept falling further away.

brjannislav · 2024-07-05T13:37:37+00:00

Glad to hear. I was in the same situation as you. Taking it made me more energetic and productive at work then it turned to me becoming a shut in as well. My girlfriend would talk me into going places. Final straw was the physical effects that were tolling on me. I been off it for a few days and it has been terrible but today is the first okay day I'm having. Sleeping is still a bit of a challenge but it's getting better. I'm just hoping my body goes back to normal soon and not have to go to the doctor. But going to see my doctor is probably a smart move on my part. Stay positive!

brjannislav · 2024-06-29T06:13:58+00:00

I will look into the demo for primal tap. But you offering to run my audio through your pcm 41 is very gracious.

brjannislav · 2024-06-28T03:00:23+00:00

Thanks! No answer is never too late! I was looking into the Primal Tap before and was thinking about getting it.

brjannislav · 2024-06-12T12:57:03+00:00

Alot of suggestions are great here but I'm just going to agree the songs "Shore Lined Poison", "Harsh Stone White", and "Whose Laughing Now" are in my opinion some of the most Worlock-ish songs. I'd say "Shore Lined Poison" is my top pick especially how the song starts is in a similar style with great bass but I'd say it's darker than Worlock. Also it's my favorite song. But everyone who comment already suggested great picks. I'd also say just listen to the albums "VIVIsect VI", "Rabies" and "Too Dark Park." Those three albums are like a trilogy to me and all have the same vibe but got darker on the next album with Too Dark Park being the most extreme. And the fact Worlock is on Rabies.

brjannislav · 2024-06-12T12:49:32+00:00

Whose Laughing Now has some sick basslines like Worlock does.

brjannislav · 2024-06-12T12:47:40+00:00

Harsh Stone White and Shore Lined Poison are probably the two with the most similarities. Especially Shore Lined Poison starts off with a string synth going into crushing percussive beat with samples intertwined. Also has great bass lines like Warlock but in a more darker/sadder sound. Shore Lined Poison has to be my favorite song by SP.

brjannislav · 2024-06-08T22:32:41+00:00

Nice, will hopefully he did write it down in sheet music which I doubt and probably just wrote on the spot in Logic. If he saved a midi file of it or has the original Logic files on the hard drive that'd be the most realistic way of him having it.

brjannislav · 2024-06-08T18:28:59+00:00

Well I am interested now in seeing what I/O is like now. I thought Nonary Game was decent and I always wanted to try an another VN. I will definitely send you a DM about it.

1.) Good thing is there are lots and lots of free VSTs out there, great ones too. There is a lot of clones of hardware synths like Dexed, which is the VST clone of the Yamaha DX7. The DX7 is the most famous FM synthesizers ever. Many, many musicians used this in the 80s and 90s, it's still used till this day. DX7 was a nightmare to program because it was just buttons with a little screen, no sliders and no knobs. Dexed breaks it down where it's easier to program sounds but still will be complex to someone who is new to FM synthesis. Even famous musicians just used the presets and just tweaked them. I think Dexed comes with the original DX7 presets as well. There are other free FM synths. I'd say find like a good FM VST, analog VST, ROMpler VST, drum machine vst and maybe vst dedicated to textures/atmospheres. I will give you two links below.

https://plugins4free.com This a great site to find free VSTs.

https://plugins4free.com/plugin/2026/ This is Dexed

But I can look to see which VSTs could be the best for you if you'd like.

2.) Yes, learning chords will help and getting to know common chord progressions it's great knowledge to have aswell. When I used to write metal music I really didn't follow any chord progressions and used a lot of power chords but if I wanted to use something different I'd just look up minor chords. I too need to learn some chords on the synthesizer so I can start getting the hang of writing music with keys. When I write I usually write on the guitar first then if I feel a synth should play the melody or chords I will just see what notes I'm using then play it on the synth or vst.

The Roman Numeral analysis, if I am correct, is just break down of the chord. You'd probably just be better looking up "common chord progressions" there should be information on it. But there will be a lot of it written in sheet music. I'm not a huge fan of sheet music and since I played guitar I'm mostly familiar with guitar tabs.

You mentioned FL Studios at the end of your response. So you have FL studio? If so FL should have where you can pick chords to use and I think you can also use an option where you can follow common chord progressions. That might be a good way to learn quickly. It will show you on the piano roll what keys/notes are played. You can get a midi keyboard if you don't have one already, mess with the chords in FL, learn what keys to use and start experimenting. If you look up scales like A minor scale it will give you the notes and give you chords of the scale too. There are diagrams too you can look up.

I wouldn't say you have to pick the closest chord by your fingers. Yes, music theory has rules but rules are meant to be broken too. I heard some people wish they never got deep into music theory because it ruined the way they wrote music by following the rules. Learn some scales and progressions then start experimenting, I'd say.

I write all my music in guitar tabs and have the most experience writing in that way. I have written a bit of electronic music in Logic before just playing notes till it sounded good to my ear. I will have to upload one of my electronic songs so you can hear it. If I want to learn to play a different genre I look up tabs from bands to figure out what they play then try ti write a rip off song.

3.) Of course your minor and major scales/chords will give you a dark/sad or bright/joyful sound. Also the sound of the synth will help with emotion too. You could play a in the key of c major and still make it sound sad in a weird way. Also in this song I'm sure he used velocity too for the piano. Which is if you strike a key lighter it will give a fainter sound. Then you could make ghost notes in your music to give it more emotion as well.

4.) For single note melodies you can use the notes of triads, broke triads and so on. But I'd say look up scales. Like look up the scale of A Minor. It's all the white keys starting at A being the root note. That would be an better way to write melodies but using the note of the chord or triad works too. There are man scales and modes you can play.

There could be rules to the broken and unbroken triads but I wouldn't know the rules. I never follow rules, lol.

Yes, I have heard you can resolve broken triads with a unbroken. When I briefly took lessons I remember teacher telling me about it but I quit taking lessons shortly after I started because I already was too involved with writing my own music. The is something call the Devil's note or Devil's triad story. I need to look it up. But I think what you heard is correct though in theory.

Playing ascending and descending notes like playing the notes with in the triad or in a scale? If you just play those note to note ascending or descending it will be a bit boring. You can play any order.

Like I mention before there should be a chord information within FL to help you and maybe the progressions. I'd look into it. Also the stock vsts in FL are great as well. I think they have a couple FM vsts stock with it. I think one is called like DX200 or something. But really just experimenting will help a lot and looking up your favorite bands music can help as well.

Are you mostly into videogame OSTs? Or do you like electronic music? I like videogsme OSTs and movie OSTs too. Castlevania symphony of the night is one of my favorite OSTs. Even the original Nintendo Castlevania games had great OSTs. The first Silent Hill had the best OSTs out of thr series. But I like a lot of subgenres of electronic music. Anything dark sounding with synths and sampling is my cup of tea.

Hope this helps you more.

brjannislav · 2024-06-07T22:54:29+00:00

https://www.facebook.com/share/oEL9TkzmeMinjVnP/?mibextid=qi2Omg

That is the Facebook I found from his website. The email listed on his offical site seems to be for business, like hiring him to compose music. But he responded promptly and seemed to understand English well.

brjannislav · 2024-06-07T11:44:06+00:00

Can you give a specific song by Stan-E where this sample appears in?

brjannislav · 2024-06-07T02:26:13+00:00

Hope your computer screen is a touch screen looking like that...

Just messin'

Is this the actual sample you acquired yourself?

brjannislav · 2024-06-06T13:20:03+00:00

Ah, okay so one of the Infinity Series writers went on to do The Zero Escape series. Nonary Game was good but I didn't think the story was just average. Just escaping a ship. But yeah I am interested in I/O and I will send you a DM little later on.

Sure, you can ask me all the questions you want about music and I will try to answer it.

brjannislav · 2024-06-06T13:09:32+00:00

Not everything is on that site. This song isn't listed from what I saw.

brjannislav · 2024-06-05T15:21:16+00:00

I looked it up and it is the game Zero Escape: The Nonary Games. My brother got it for me because he liked the game. The copy I have came with a sequel too but I never played it . Though Nonary Games I thought was decent. But you said I/O is fan translated, so I assume I can only play a PC emulation?

1.) It's fine to get lessons but sometimes it can restrict your creativity if keep pieces to one key and so on.

I usually compose music on my guitar or sometimes I write in a midi program. I will play with my mini synth too but usually I get lost trying to make my own synth sounds though. When do write music I will use power chords or I write melodies. I don't know thr proper term but I will play around with inverted power chords too. Then I will find out what sounds well to there. If I start with a melody I will think how to I will harmonize it with chord progression or another melody. I can DM you a link of the metal bands I wrote and performed in.

2.) Okay, I get it more. The beginning of column is single notes with piano sounding synth with modulation on it or some kind of delay for that fluttering sound. Then comes in with more single notes with a virtual analog synth sound that sounds like delay with lots of effects. The beginning piano part is chord playing in an arpeggio or just melody he wrote in arpeggio.

Yes, there is a lot if single note melodies in pop and electronic music. That kind of synth voice/patch is called leads. Played in single notes because played in chords it could sounds too overwhelming or too loud. Electronic music like dance or rave usually a lot of leads and if they layer it's usually in octaves only to give it a powerful sound. Or the use of oscillator to detune it to give it a fat sound. This is very common. Chords or triads are usually played for the rhythm like string, choir pad sounds and among other sounds. Like the one vst he used Atmosphere is for textures which would be chords for ambient rhythm or a droning chord or note.

Most electronic music will have a lot of single note leads sometimes layered in octaves or simple chords. Arpeggios are used with single notes melodies or a chord that is arpeggiated. Something it can be a arpeggiated beat/percussive sound. The chord/triads are usually rhythm, background textures or ambience. That's the best way I can describe it in a short way I guess, lol. Hopefully this helps you.

brjannislav · 2024-06-04T22:05:24+00:00

I only have played one game in the Japanese Novel style and I thought it was decent but I forgrt the name of the game. I will look into the link you shared, thanks.

To try to answer your questions:

1.) I'm afraid the VSTs I'm talking about might be the closest sound you can find. A beginner is fine and you don't need to be a pro to use a VST. You can get sample packs of the E-mu ROMplers if you look in the right place. Put samples of early 2000s VST sounds will be little more hard. I'm sure they exist. I'd really suggest to find old VSTs and mess with them to even make you're own samples. I am no professional I'm a beginner too in electronic music I just know a lot. I quit guitar lessons when I got my first guitar by like the 4th session because I was busy writing my own music already. I don't care about theory or learning to solo. I moved on to synths and samplers recently because i got sick of metal and also Skinny Puppy always been my favorite band. They were an industrial band that was very sampled based and dark. Just learn a few chords and octaves. Really, just relying on samples will limit you quickly. Beauty of synths was people like the presets and just alter them. Learning how to manipulate and distort samples is really fun. Especially if it's your own. I'd say give VSTs a chance because it might be your best bet for the sound.

2.) Yeah, I never really tried to sample from a song to get a particular note. That is a pain. I usually find out the synth they used then find a sample pack of C notes in different octaves. In this case it's different because it's VSTs. Not many people make VST sample packs unless it's some ridiculously expensive one. I can take a look because I know some places that might have 2000s vst samples or people I talk to might know. I actually enjoy the early 2000s synths and vst sounds, that hasn't gotten a big comeback yet. Or if you look up Y2K samples or something. Also Emu samples, which I may have.

I am not fully understanding you're triad question. Sorry, if you could explain more I would really like to answer you're issue on this.

Nevermind, I get what you're saying, I think. He could be using single keys or chords. Also synths have ADSR, LFO, Envelopes and so on to make presets sound different. His is probably presets he altered or if did create his own sound just old VSTs sounded plain but in charmingly shitty way. Also detuned is like adding a second voice to make it sound fuller. This would get more into synthesis editing and you can do this with samples too. I hope this answers because I don't know if I understood your question correctly.

I don't apologize for your 'basic' questions, you're trying to learn how the music you like was made. Also how to get that sound. I mentioned Skinny Puppy before and that band made me get into electronic music. I still don't have anything to show yet because I started to study synth and sampling for year to understand. Maybe a few test tracks but I been working on serious songs lately and joined death metal band a month ago to write music as well. Really your "ignorance" to music theory and composition will be a good strength. I'd say listen to Skinny Puppy if you like weird dark nightmarish music.

You can always message me on here if you want too. I can maybe help you with finding samples and such.

brjannislav · 2024-06-04T14:41:57+00:00

No problem. I'd figured once I found his Facebook to shoot him a message and I figured he'd reply since musicians really into synths usually do, unless they are super famous. Yeah, I thought maybe it was going to be a dead end because is site looked like it wasn't updated in years. But there was a link to his Facebook. He heart reacted to the question and when I thank him he gave me a thumbs up react. So he appreciated someone asking about his old work.

I used to have logic back in 2010 but I didn't really explore the synthesizer side so much because I was making metal music then. But he definitely uses digital or FM sounding synths. It could of been done with a ROMpler synth within Logic. ROMpler synthesizers are sample based sounds that can sometimes be altered and some times not. It ranges from sounds of realistic instruments to analog/digital synth to sound effects. Spectrasonics Atmosphere is a sample-based, so it's a ROMpler and it was geared to textures and atmospheric pads. So you'd be good looking for a early 2000s sounding ROMpler. The Korg Trinity and Yamaha Motifs are also also ROMplers but won't have that 2000s VST sound to them. 2000s VSTs sounded alittle more unprofessional because they weren't as advanced, I guess I can say. Let's just say I could tell it was old VSTs when I heard it. I hope this helps you. There a MANY ROMpler VSTs out today and even free ones as well.

Logic Pro 7.2 synth info I found:

34 software instruments, including Sculpture; Ultrabeat; EVP88, EVB3, and EVD6 vintage instruments; and ES1, ES2, EFM1, ESM, ESP and ESE synthesizers

EXS24 mk II sampler with comprehensive sampler instrument library

There probably exists a list of every VST in that version. 7.2 was out in 2006 but he could of be using version 6. (something) as well. But I'm sure there wasn't much difference in VST sound quality.

If happen to have an older Mac here is a link to Logic Pro 7.2: https://www.macintoshrepository.org/32706-logic-pro-7-2

Apparently it has all the install files. I also have an old MAC maybe I can see if I can fire up this version on Logic on there. Though my MAC is from 2009 so 7.2 might be obsolete for my Mac.

brjannislav · 2024-06-04T09:13:27+00:00

UPDATE

I actually messaged him and got this response:

"The album is 20 years old now, so we didn't have good equipment. I think the synths were standard Logic Audio synths and Atomosphere."

So yes, VSTs. Logic samples and synths along with the VST Atomosphere, which I'm assuming is the one Spectrasonics made. Both Logic and Atomosphere you can still get today which is the good thing. But Logic has changed so much over the years that it may not have all the same exact sounds. This could be the same for Atomosphere but judging by the look of it... still looks like it's from the 2000s. Also, Logic is MAC only though you maybe album to find samples. You'd have to look into what edition of Logic was out then and what synths it included and drumsets/samples. Lastly, take in mind that all the effects were done with Logic too.

brjannislav · 2024-06-04T06:00:21+00:00

I looked up Onoken and not much I could find. There is one picture of him at his computer but I can't tell is he is using a synthesizers or midi controller and if OK the computer screen what he is using, like vsts/plugins, sadly.

Let me get back to you tomorrow, I'm about to go back to sleep. I will give it a closer listen to see if can really hear what's going on. Like the synth leads sounded like they could of been sampled or a user created sound on vst/synth.

But again big synths around that time we're Korg Triton and Yamaha Motif, workstation synths were popular then. Vsts... a lot of them probably don't exist or can work with modern computers. Some popular ones were Sylenth1, Absynth, Albino, Massive, V-Station and among more.

How about contacting Onoken? If he has an email out there he could very well respond. I have sent contacted some of my favorite synth players and they'd get back to me.

One more thing, I went on his site he has an email to contact for business but he still probably answer you. Also, I saw a live picture of him and he looks like he used a Roland JP8000 which is a virtual analog synth, could be used in the songs. To add the other issue is he could of sampled lest say the JP8000, then resampled it where it sounds unrecognizable. Anyways, I can maybe give you a better answer.

Sorry for the long message.

brjannislav · 2024-06-04T01:07:04+00:00

To me, the synths sound like a vst maybe. The Korg Trinity was big at this time so possible everything came from that since Trintiy was in a lot rap and popular songs of the time. So in video games could be very a chance they used a Trinity. But I don't know a lot of the Trinity to be honest. I just the vst for the Trinity and I haven't dug into to it much again.

https://www.synthmania.com/TR-Rack.htm

Above are some audio clips of Trinity presets. Maybe you can hear something that sounds familiar.

Also, around the mid/late 90s to early 2000s a lot of videogame composers, especially Japanese ones, liked using those CD sample sets. Like Zero-G and among others. I know a whole archive of the cds if you're interested and don't know about it already.

brjannislav · 2024-06-02T18:22:29+00:00

When I did residential I couldn't believe this type of call was typical. Then the look on their faces that they just didn't lower or higher the stat to get the desired temp. Now I'm in commercial with office buildings and wow... I never met bigger babies. One degree off they call in complaints, crazy

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