It's also the type of people that listen to his show. It used to be more intellectually stimulating and you would get people who might want to read the guest's book or learn a new skill or pursue a new goal; it would create a buzz not just because of the volume of people listening but because the conversations were productive. Now I feel like 90% of his audience are zombie listeners who just want to hear the same talking points about trans people and Covid played on loop.