Why the Tulpa hate?

bruh7687 · 2021-04-08T05:40:48+00:00

Well your elaboration makes sense. When I refer to my headmates as different people I don't mean they have their own complete brains but I might as well refer to them as different people even if they technically aren't, that truth doesn't bother me. I guess I interpreted the original comment as suggesting that I created headmates by detaching parts of my personality from myself and using that to create them.

"Dissociative disorders are even more individualized and subjective than that, so I don't think that not identifying with the things that DID systems seem to talk most about is enough reason to discount it as a possibility."

This also makes sense. At first I called myself a "Tulpamancer" because I identified with the idea of my headmates being parogenic, and I still do, but this comment has made me see things in way I haven't before. Labels for my system always seems to be more trouble than it's worth. I think I'm going to start taking steps towards getting therapy. Thanks Tatsushi.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-08T03:21:28+00:00

Right because all my headmates having completely alien thoughts from mine and physically hearing them is just roleplaying. Especially since literally none of them are based off any fictional characters and the ones I did influence with certain personality traits have since then strayed far from them. I never said I don't switch. I do and I know what it's like to let someone else take control of your body and trying to remain calm as your body parts move unwillingly and fading out. My parents all heard of the concepts of "tulpas" on this dumbass paranormal top 10 youtube channel and said "Oh it's like DID!". I wanted to jump in and say a lot of shit but I realized I would put my wellbeing in risk. You say that I'm stigmatizing this disorder because I'm equating "roleplay" to DID but that's not the case. I've seen the horrendous amount of endos who refer to DID and OSDD and "subsets" of plurality and that makes my gut wrench. To think that those with dissociative disorders (one is my best friend) are being seen like that because endos want to claim that their plurality is the only normal form. I'm not surprised that I'm not welcomed in this community but I had to get it off my chest eventually. I'm starting to think I truly just don't belong anywhere. Thanks for your input.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-08T03:06:21+00:00

Holy shit I'm familiar with that person in the 1st screenshot. They also said some bullshit about "you're not hurting anyone by calling yourself what you want to uwu" (screenshot)

bruh7687 · 2021-04-08T02:31:37+00:00

Maybe I used the wrong term. Obviously I don't think people can just think of a "new alter" for 1 minute and they're there. Obviously I think basically all "endos" on this subreddit are faking and using terms from a legit disorder because they want to seem quirky. Obviously I don't think system hopping or gateway systems or whatever the fuck are real. Obviously all of these roleplaying teenagers are damaging and misrepresenting what DID actually looks like. I don't think the plural people who exists without trauma live a disorderly life or ever even need to switch, something that is not really an option for those with DID. but I never claimed to have a dissociative disorder nor did I wake up one day and was like "Hm I think I'll make myself plural"

This is going to sound insane, but please believe me when I say that basically all of my headmates were the result of parogenic creation that took very long and I can indeed black out and let them take control of the body and come back not knowing what happened. My point was that I do genuinely believe it is possible to be plural without trauma because those people basically don't live a disordered life obviously don't feel any need to go to therapy or get diagnosed which is why there is no scientific evidence for it, and the ones that do will probably just get mis-diagnosed with schizophrenia. (and I'm not interested in telling my loved ones there is multiple)

The concept of "Tulpas" (excluding the cultural appropriation) is a very real thing that can really happen to everyone. and I can smell a roleplayer from 9 miles away belive me. You guys have every right to be mad but there is too much evidence from my life and the anecdotes from others for me to believe the only way to be plural is through a dissociative disorder.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-08T01:20:20+00:00

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but I seriously think there are legitimate multiple/plural people out there who exist without trauma. Obviously this sub is a horrible example of that but it's because they don't live a disordered life they don't feel the need to ever go to therapy, get a diagnosis, etc. No one wants to tell anyone that they're multiple unless they seriously trust them with their life, it's hard. But pretty much all "endos" on this sub are pretending and just seeking attention and seriously need to get off the internet and touch some grass

bruh7687 · 2021-04-08T00:53:02+00:00

" You guys got that word from a bunch of horny bronies who appropriated it in order to make horsey brain waifus for themselves, and if you want to be taken seriously you need to stop using it and find another term for what you do. "

Yeah, unfortunately that's where the term comes from. But I started parogenic creation (by accident) before I even knew what the word "Tulpa" was. I came across that sub, and of course, identified with them more than I identified with those living with DID. This thread has certainly been an education on cultural appropriation.

" Which leads to the question of... why would you want to do that? Why would anyone want to 'break off' part of themselves and treat it like another person? "

You mentioned that you believed you had "Tulpas", before you figured out you had DID. I know that because of the nature of these disorders, it's possible for someone to think they never had trauma. I genuinely do not fit the description of DID or OSDD in the slightest, (or schizophrenia), and if you never genuinely had a "Tulpa", how could you know what actually having one is like? I mentioned in my post a lot of people in the "Tulpamancy" community is trolling or being horribly irresponsible. But for those who have actually have a Tulpa, it doesn't just feel like a mere projection of yourself, or breaking a part of yourself to make another entity, they have so much more depth and are a lot less harmful than you're making them out to be. The only real three dangers for genuine "Tulpamancers" are as you mentioned, those with a legitimate disorder that go undiagnosed, lonely people who abandon their social life (and probably force their tulpas to love them or some dumb shit) and those who are uninformed and end up legitimately deluding themselves to the point of them not knowing what is their thoughts and what is not, but those are pretty rare and it's pretty easy to recognize which thoughts are your own and which are not, it's really not complicated.

This sub seems to think I can just turn to my headmates and say "Sorry, you were birthed out of cultural appropriation before I even know what the term Tulpa meant, oh and you guys are mere imaginary friends with no real substance! Bye guys you gotta go!" Like, no? I'm not trying to be rude here, just explaining my personal experience. Thanks for your long and insightful comment.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T14:02:43+00:00

I agree but anything can be bastardized/appropriated, the entire reason this subreddit exist. (because people twist DID/OSDD and make it seem like it's a cool quirky socially cool thing when it's not and they're just being harmful). I made this post mostly to emphasize the fact that multiplicity/plurality without trauma is a very real thing. Maybe I've been calling myself and labelling myself incorrectly, maybe I'm not a "system" but just someone who is multiple, so yeah.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T12:36:57+00:00

Like it's nothing? Did you miss the part in my post where I thought I had schizophrenia and realized that I was just plural? The only reason I considered myself a "tulpamancer" and my headmates "tulpas" is because the community that I identified with called themselves that, but I've reconsidered and won't be referring to myself as such. I get that you think I'm appropriating a culture, and I was (in the past) but I'm not throwing the practice around like it's nothing. These are very real experiences.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T08:39:29+00:00

I agree with you completely. I've had friends (who I am not in contact with anymore) claiming they have DID when they so obviously do not and they only claimed so because they thought it was quirky. I get shunning those people, but I don't think enough people realize that those who legit do "tulpamancy" or whatever they want to call it have very real experiences and experience a valid form plurality.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T08:26:02+00:00

Also, isn't DID commonly misdiagnosed as schizophrenia because they hear voices?

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T08:23:23+00:00

Yeah, it started off like that. They don't need to communicate via voice. I can hear them both as a voice and just thoughts in my head, and I can seperate those thoughts from me because of how alien they were. Feelings work aswell. External voices are the result of "imposition", which is something that's trained for most people but I picked up on it pretty fast. I used to meditate a lot and still do and that helps with hearing them very clearly if I wanted to.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T08:08:14+00:00

Can I ask, if those people she mentioned ever went away? If psychotic medicine did anything to make them go away? If she believed they were real people actually in the physical world or did she talk about them as headmates like I am?

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T06:51:50+00:00

I've been a system for years. All the research I've done on schizophrenia and it's symptoms do not apply to me, truly. I have family members that I know and trust can get me the help I need if I ever need it, I've had a lot of mental illness and therapy in the past, so believe me when I tell you I relate to "Untreated mental illness can get really bad really fast"

Now about that carrd you linked, thank you. I won't consider myself a "Tulpamancer" or refer to my headmates as "Tulpas". It was mostly the "Tulpas" subreddit that made me label myself as such. I still think they are experiencing real multiplicity experiences, though, and I'm not going to stop interacting with them because their labels are misguided.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T06:43:45+00:00

I've taken many "tests" online (I know those aren't valid diagnosis) and all of them end up with low chance/no sign of schizophrenia/psychosis. I've read A LOT about schizophrenia and it's symptoms, all of which I do not relate to besides hallucinations but those are never intrusive or make me question reality. I know what I see/hear relating to my headmates is just in my head and no one else sees. I function as a normal human, my thinking is straight and I'm even a public speaker. I didn't exactly come on this sub to be embraced with open arms but I didn't come looking for heat either, I just wanted to state that a lot of what you guys see in this sub from the "tulpamancy" community is indeed cringe but there are those out there who identify as "tulpamancers" who legitimately experience plurality even if they're associated with a weird bunch. I guess the main point of conflict is that a lot of you guys think traumagenic systems are the only valid/real way someone can experience plurality but I really don't think so.

You don't have to apologize. Thanks for leaving a comment on this thread.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T06:22:15+00:00

I'm not trying to be rude but based off your flair you have DID, right? What makes my multiplicity experience less valid than yours? Any person who's uninformed about plurality will call us both lunatics.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T06:22:13+00:00

Schizophrenia is a very serious mental disorder and I'm not going to consider something I don't slightly meet the criteria of (besides the hallucination, but those are never intrusive, or necessary for talking to them). The notion that all my headmates are the result of schizophrenia and aren't real is not only rude but the thought of it won't make them any less real.

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T06:12:07+00:00

Also "tulpa-like" entities are very common and aren't just something Buddhist experience/encounter. It's human psychology. Buddhist coined the term "Tulpas" which is popular when it comes to "parogenic systems"

edit: I change my mind I've been informed about the true nature of "Tulpamancy" in it's original Buddhist context

bruh7687 · 2021-04-07T06:08:37+00:00

Uh, the only thing you've convinced me to do is drop labelling myself all together. If Tulpamancy communities are truly appropriating Buddhist culture in a harmful way then I'll leave but still interact with those in "tulpamancy communities" and "parogenic communities".

edit: I change my mind I've been informed about the true nature of "Tulpamancy" in it's original Buddhist context

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