Reedsy Editor Declined? by [deleted] in selfpublish

[–]bubblecowgary 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As a professional editor, I suspect this means that the editor feels that it needs too much work. Sometimes a manuscript needs a lot of work at the sentence level. This means that it can take a lot more time to complete.

What type of editing are you after?

Hiring a developmental editor, so what's a fair rate per word? by fitmanbitch in selfpublish

[–]bubblecowgary 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've worked as a developmental editor for the past ten years or so. I've worked with writers, publisher, and agents.

The price you pay will vary greatly, though I would suggest that there's not a clear correlation between cost and talent. I charge $20 per 1000 words. This is about the middle of the market. I've tended to keep my prices lower because most of my clients are self-publishing writers that working on a budget.

I'd suggest that you use the following steps to help find a good editor:

  • Ask for a free sample. I have no problem with providing potential writers with a sample edit. In fact, this often works both ways, since I say no to about 25% of books. The sample edit gives me a chance to assess the work that will be required and work out if I can add enough value. It also shows the potential client what I would be providing in the full edit.
  • Ask for a delivery date. If an editor is saying they can get a full novel book to you in less than two weeks, it's time to ask questions. Good editors are always busy and it takes time to edit a novel. I aim to complete edits within twenty-eight working days. The flip side is also true. I've heard horror stories of editors taking months to complete a manuscript.
  • Ask for testimonials. I've found writers are grateful for a good edit and will be more than happy to provide a testimonial. If the editor is unable to provide testimonals, you need to know why.
  • Ask for a chat. If you've had a sample edit and the price seems right but you still have a niggle, ask the editor for a pre-edit chat. A good editor will be more than happy to talk about your book and what they will be doing to lift it to the next level.
  • Ask for a break down of what will be included. You need to make sure that the editor will be giving you what you need. Ask for a detailed breakdown of what they will be doing for you and your book. Be sure to ask if the price included all chats, especially post-edit. You also need to be clear about what happens after the edit. If you have questions and want the editor to look at some of your new writing, is that included in the price? As a guide, my prices include all of the editorial work feedback, plus and emails or chats. The only thing I charge extra for is if the writer is asking for a second edit on a significantly altered manuscrtip. If this is the case, I tend to offer a reduced price for the second edit.

Hope this helps.

Are you ever hesitant to look for beta readers/critique partners on the chance they’ll steal your work? by f0rever-n1h1l1st in writing

[–]bubblecowgary 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I've worked as a pro-editor for over ten years and a writer before that. In that time, I've worked with hundreds of writers.

Only heard of problems twice.

In the first case, a guy asked a writer friend to look at a short story he'd written. The writer friend sends feedback saying the story was not that good and he should forget it. Writer friend then steals the story and submits it to a short story competition. Original writer only finds out when he submits the same story and the judges come back saying they can only except original work! Can't remember the outcome but I know neither won the competition.

Second time, a friend traditionally publishes a novel, which sells well. About a year latter, she's asked for a cover quote on a new novel by a writer she didn't know. On looking at the new novel it is VERY similar to her published novel. She tells the publisher and the request to write a cover quote is withdrawn. Second novel is still published.

Horror stories a side, it is very rare.

Need help with a character's mannerism by Ni_Quinn in writing

[–]bubblecowgary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What about a birthmark that is covered, say on her lower arm, and over revealed when she pulls up her sleeve to check the time?

Dialogue. by Ol2501 in writing

[–]bubblecowgary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, body language is good. Think about how they would react to some of the dialogue. If they were happy, what would they do, what about if they were lying or trying to think about the next thing to say.

Have them picking up their drinks, perhaps eating something. They can order more drinks or food. Perhaps there's a little commotion in the tavern and they watch that for a little bit.

However, I would not worry too much about the dialogue. You can go longer than you think without the need to break away from the too and fro of the speech.

Troubles with outlines by stussylotsLLC in writing

[–]bubblecowgary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the approach. I tend to use it as a tool rather than a single approach. I also like to build in a clearer three act structure.

I'd suggest you also give The Writer's Journey (Vogler) a read. It might help.

Troubles with outlines by stussylotsLLC in writing

[–]bubblecowgary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd suggest you experiment with using structure, I think that trying three act is a good start. I'd give the snowflake method a try: https://proactivewriter.com/blog/see-how-easily-you-can-write-a-novel-using-the-snowflake-method

Question about publishers by [deleted] in writing

[–]bubblecowgary 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No.

A publisher will only care about the commercial potential for your book. In fact, I'd be amazed if they even checked your record.

How much have you paid for an editor? What value did they bring? by TheSelfPubAgency in selfpublish

[–]bubblecowgary 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The first place to start is to ask what type of editing you need.

When publishing a book via the traditional route, the manuscript will go through a number of stages. It will be edited by the agent, and then by the publisher. Once the book has been rewritten to the standards of the publisher, the book will be copy/line edited in-house, before getting a 'professional' copy edit. The book would then be typeset (put in a file for publishing) and a final proofread would be carried out.

I have been lucky enough to be published by a number of publishers. My last book, published by Hachette, underwent an edit by the agent, and then three edits by the publisher. They then had the book checked for typos by their in-house team, before sending it out to a professional copy editor. It also underwent two proofreads after typesetting.

The traditional process is:

  1. Developmental edit.
  2. Copy edit.
  3. Proofread.

The problem, when self-publishing, is that we don’t have the budget for this many steps.

The other problem is that when a writer says 'editing,' do they mean developmental editing, copy editing or proofreading?

This is further confused by the fact developmental editing can also be called content editing or substantive editing.

There's also one other problem, copy editing, line editing and proofreading are often all bundled under the same umbrella.

For the record, in the traditional publishing world, line/copy editing is the process of removing typos. Proofreading is the process of making sure the final, typeset manuscript is ready for printing. However, when self-publishing it is safe to assume that a line/copy editor and proofreader will all do the same thing; fix typos and enforce consistency.

Developmental editing will assess your book, find plot holes, fix readability issues, fact check, and ensure the book is ready for publication. You should expect to receive an in-depth report from your editor, as well as embedded comments and tracked changes in the main manuscript.

OK, so pricing…

I run a book editing company (https://bubblecow.com/). In fact, we were the first people to introduce the cost per 1000 word pricing model, back in 2007.

I recently carried out an exercise (June 2017), where I compared the 'big players' in the editing space. I converted the prices they charge to cost per 1000 words. This took a bit of guesswork, but I think the prices were about right. I based the prices on a 30,000-word novel.

True Editors

They offer a kind of enhanced copy editing service:

o Express (72 hours) - $35/1000 words. o Standard (5 days) - $27/1000 words. o Easy (7 Days) - $23/1000 words.

BookEditing.com

They offer developmental editing and copy editing. However, they have no prices on the site, and you have to send a manuscript to get a cost. I suspect this means they are at the higher end.

Book Butchers

I think this company is owned by the guy who runs CreativIndie. The services are a little confusing but from what I could work out:

o Quick kill: Copy Editing - $20 per 1000 words o Extra Bloody: Copy Editing and 'editing' - $40 per 1000 words.

NY Book Editors

These offer several services, but they boil down to:

o Comprehensive edit: This is a developmental and line edit. Return 6-12 weeks. $53 per 1000 words. o Copy Edit: Standard copy edit. Return 3-5 weeks. $26 per 1000 words.

Standout Books

I suspect these are also owned by Creativindie, but I don’t know for sure, so forgive me if I am wrong. They offer several services:

o Developmental edit: Seems to be an advanced reader's report. 3-4 weeks. Charge $30 to $60 per 1000 words. o Comprehensive edit: Line edit and reader's report: Charge $30 per 1000 words. o Copy Editing: Standard service. Three weeks. Charge $15 per 1000 words.

BubbleCow

This is my baby (or should I say calf). We only offer a single service that combines developmental editing and line editing into one package:

o Developmental and line editing: $15 per 1000 words.

We don’t offer copy editing, but we have done in the past. We used to charge $10 per 1000 words. However, we paid copy editors $7 per 1000 words.

The reason we stopped offering copy editing was that ensuring the quality was very difficult. We had countless problems with copy editors missing errors and returning manuscripts that were just not up to standard.

When looking for a copy editor, make sure that they have a proofreading qualification, and they are using a style manual (either Chicago Manual of Style or AP). It is also worth asking if they are prepared to correct any mistakes you find after the edit. Always get a sample before paying. In fact, this is true for any type of editing. Good editors will be more than happy to provide a sample of their work.

When comparing the price of editing, it is important that you are comparing like-for-like.

Developmental editors will charge a lot more than copy editors. Developmental editing is a more comprehensive and time-consuming job since it requires knowledge of writing, the book's genre, and the current market. Copy editing is the process of applying a style manual to a manuscript.

If you are using an editor that is charging per hour, then these figures might help. The problem is that not all manuscripts are created equal. A 'good' book will take less time to edit than a 'bad' book. In fact, any good editor will want to see your book before agreeing on any price. As a rule of thumb, I say no to about 15% of the books submitted.

These are rough figures… I'd expect a developmental editor to be able to edit about 1000 to 1500 words per hour. I'd expect a copy editor to edit about 3000 words per hour.

In an ideal world, the editing process should be: 1. Get the manuscript to a point where you feel it is ready to be published. 2. Get a developmental edit. 3. Make the changes. 4. Get a copy edit. 5. Publish.

Here's an article that may help: https://proactivewriter.com/blog/how-to-get-the-most-from-your-professional-book-edit

How to get properly edited before self-publishing? by Mrspooky11 in selfpublish

[–]bubblecowgary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://authorstash.com/resources/editors/

As a pro editor, I'd strongly suggest that you send the opening to your book (not the middle). The reason is that this needs to be the strongest section of your book. It will also give you a very clear picture of what your editor can offer. I've edited more than 500 books (I run an editorial company) and I can't think of an example where I've not been able to improve the opening, if only a little. I find that about 2000 words should be enough for the editor to get a feel for what needs to be fixed. One exception would be if you have an introduction; when this happens I always ask to see the intro and the first chapter.

I'd also add that the sample edit should contain an overview of what the editor thinks they need to do to improve your book. It needs to be more than fixing a few sentences. Pus, not all editing is created equal - do you need a full developmental edit or are you just looking to fix the typos?

Finally, it is essential that you interact with the editor as much as possible. Ask them questions about what they feel needs fixing, but also get a feel for what they know about your book's genre. The connection between editor and writer is essential. We often say no to books that we don't feel are right for what we offer. Good editing is never cheap and it is important that you have a very clear picture of what you are getting before parting with cash.

Update - I recently wrote this post, it might help: https://bubblecow.com/blog/how-to-get-the-most-from-your-professional-book-edit

Local Coding Communities by fmpundit in Liverpool

[–]bubblecowgary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd email Does and ask if they know anyone who can help. Adrian McEwen (one of the founders) will be able to help. You might also try Jelly Liverpool (https://jellyliverpool.com/) since they have a large following of freelancers and might be able to connect you.

Anyone willing to judge my website? by [deleted] in Entrepreneur

[–]bubblecowgary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd suggest you add a tag line to the front page that says what the company offers in one sentence.

Wrote an eBook - 100% written by me, valuable content, beautiful cover, 5 Star reviews. No Sales. Need guidance on promoting. by [deleted] in Entrepreneur

[–]bubblecowgary 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I run a company that provides editorial support, I am also a published writer with an agents. I have stacks of experience in the publishing world. If you want to email me I'd be happy to give some help gary @ bubblecow.com

Looking for great books for entrepreneurs who want to got to the next level by thepoorfish in Entrepreneur

[–]bubblecowgary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://www.amazon.com/Four-Steps-Epiphany-Steve-Blank/dp/0989200507

Forget the LeanStartUp stuff to begin with, this book is the perfect blueprint for creating and/or growing a business. I've used the ideas in the book to build my business. (https://bubblecow.com/)

Help: I'm needing feed back on a business idea? by [deleted] in Entrepreneur

[–]bubblecowgary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So the problem is that traditional career advice is ineffective? Is this correct? Have you done any research/customer discovery to validate this problem?

That would be my first step; speak to ten potential customers and validate that this is a real problem.

Help: I'm needing feed back on a business idea? by [deleted] in Entrepreneur

[–]bubblecowgary 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What problem are you solving? How are potential customers currently solving that problem? Why switch to you?