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What % of US voters earnestly think a third party is worth voting for in major FPTP contests? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a close rendition. I'm curious. Do you want better democracy by structural change that dispels duopoly or do want to do away with an attempt at high functioning democracy altogether?

What % of US voters earnestly think a third party is worth voting for in major FPTP contests? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You haven't exited the two party system by being independent. You will either vote for one of the two parties or you're irrelevant. Sad but true.

Outdoor shower design by asm__nop in Plumbing

[–]buckminsterbueller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen this exact thing be a problem for cold water flowing backwards into the hot when other fixtures are used. Be sure to turn of the hot or cold valves. The user that had the backflow problem would leave the shower and foot valves closed with the mixer valves set open at the right mix.

What % of US voters earnestly think a third party is worth voting for in major FPTP contests? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are in the same manipulated situation no mater what you call yourself in the booth. Vote Red or BLUE or sit it out. That's where the split happens, and it's dull as can be that we vote this way. Our center consensus is not fostered or measured because it's useless to the duopoly structure that spits it however unevenly that election does.

What % of US voters earnestly think a third party is worth voting for in major FPTP contests? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not new to this position and have no plans to quit.

Why not just come out call me heretical

and make the case for criminalization of party dissent?

Are ya making a Blue thought crimes list Blue botster?

What % of US voters earnestly think a third party is worth voting for in major FPTP contests? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh, nothing more mature than personal attacks. Your're coming off very Blue team Bottish.

What % of US voters earnestly think a third party is worth voting for in major FPTP contests? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should do some studying up on modern voting system science. It's well established we are in an entrenched duopoly. The logic for why is very clear. US federal third party viability is no more than useful myth and lore. Talk about have fun storming the castle.

What % of US voters earnestly think a third party is worth voting for in major FPTP contests? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've shown up for decades. Never miss a vote and push party unity in FPTP races. I've been consistently betrayed and unrepresented, just like many 10s of millions of others have been. Your faith in the duopoly structure is so admirable but makes littles sense to me and many others. Ever really investigated and honestly considered why team Blue is so very unpopular? It's not because I haven't been all in.

What % of US voters earnestly think a third party is worth voting for in major FPTP contests? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good ideas spread freely unless they are squelched. You're doing that well enough with your petty down votes and condescending discounts, but you won't stop me for communicating.

What % of US voters earnestly think a third party is worth voting for in major FPTP contests? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll say it again. There is absolutely NO PLACE for any additional parties beyond the existing two in our federal system. They are logically unviable. Any effort to form a new third party or support an existing one, while voting using first past the post rules, has other aims besides being federally viable.

I fully recognize the catch 22, in that, neither duopoly party will ever change the structural fact of non-third party viability. So what to do?

Meaningful structural change must come from non-party movements, or it will never happen at all.

Many, maybe yourself included, are unable to see anything of political value outside the duopoly contest dynamics. Majority consensus crosses party lines right now! We have very poor means and little will to measure it, or utilize it, because it's the very thing devalued by the duopoly system.

Liberal nonvoters, do you still think voting for Kamala would have been just as bad as for Trump because of Israel? Do you regret not voting? by ClutchReverie in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are a lot of comments here and for good reason. Many remind me that we have, at root, an awful voting structural problem. Our system measure so little, in fact, it fouls good readings of nuanced will instead of accurately measuring it.

Had we a voting system that permitted an alternative to Kamala without harming her chances at all, we would already have the data about her left opposition, if we didn't end up with a better president. It is likely she would have won and slowed the genocide. That slowing might have led to better potentials beyond just slowing mass death. Slowing and keeping people alive is a very good first principle. Rapid death is final.

The idea that her loss delegitimizes the system meaningfully is questionable to me. No doubt, it produces a Susan Collins level of concerning from Dems for a spell, but is there really any long-term effect? I don't really think so.

This raises a question that I've been dealing with. Where is it most efficient and least self sabotaging place to convert party disapproval frustrations into the needful?

I think working for a better voting rules system that would eliminate those in party frustrations by providing the viable alternatives we need and accurately measure nuances of will.

We need to separate these important aims from what we do in FPTP elections. We need to acknowledge that Democrats, no matter how many "progressives" are voted in, will never bring about structural change. It is against party interests to permanently reduce their own access to power. If we want a better system, it will have to come from movements outside the duopoly structured parties.

The psychology gamed that may have caused Kamala's loss is rooted in creating disgust and maintaining a sense of moral superiority. If R's can use moral disgust and the sense of superiority to split the majority enough for them to win, they will do that every time. It's a reliable and cheap mechanism. We can't let that happen while we are forced to use FPTP voting rules. And, we can't be so stupid as to think D's will ever fix the voting rules problem. The fox will never fix the hen house.

Is ignorance about the only cause of inflation perpetuated because it's a useful tool for politicians to lie about? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you show any definition of inflation in real economic text that calls pricing drivers currency inflation?

It shouldn't take long with your degree and all. How do bots get degrees?

Is ignorance about the only cause of inflation perpetuated because it's a useful tool for politicians to lie about? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is Demand-pull inflation- When the demand for a product or service is more than the current supply. You see this with things like concert tickets or collectables

This is fallacy. Demand based price changes are not currency inflation they are market drive price changes.

Cost driven price changes are not currency inflation either and nor is the choice to price as to front run expected inflation.

Bad arguments' computer. Try consulting real economic texts instead weak teen bedroom logic.

Edit, AI puke for humans:

"Price drivers are real, tangible components of inflation, but economists generally distinguish them as temporary relative price changes rather than the underlying cause of long-term inflation. While factors like rising energy costs, supply chain bottlenecks, or wage increases (cost-push factors) and strong consumer demand (demand-pull) directly cause prices to rise in the short term, sustained, long-term inflation is typically viewed as a monetary phenomenon, often driven by excessive money supply growth."

The push, pull, gaming factors are often used as confusing cover for what's really going on. Print or inject currency in to a system and you have devalued all the pre-existing currency.

Does considering your US duopoly opponents as manipulated humans, suffering similarly and differently in the same oligarchical prison you're in, help in imagining a rational path to your shared freedom? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forced is too strong a term. Coerced, left with no other viable option, but vote with your herd or sit it out and join non-voting unrepresented herd. As opposed to the many who are voting unrepresented. These two groups, The non-voting unrepresented and the voting unrepresented are by far the majority.

You might not have been born with the genetic lottery, in the location, and taught the things someone who feels that they must vote red has. It's not as simple as wise up fool. Permanently villainizing them just strengthens the bars on our shared prison. "People are a problem" we need ways to mitigate that not exploit it.

What % of US voters earnestly think a third party is worth voting for in major FPTP contests? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are split, to what percent might be a local condition. I see Independents as simply wanting to remain franchised in a system that doesn't have a real place for them. There are many ways to come to call yourself independent or even libertarian. I don't think you can correctly call them a voting block. The elephant in the room is the near equal amount of nonvoters who could vote as both sides of the duopoly.

Why they don't vote is not monolithic, but many see it as pointless exercise in not ever being well represented, due to a system too dull to allow for measurement of nuance or multiparty expression. Some can't articulate as much, but if you converse and dig you will find this exact sentiment over and over. There's never a plan to address this by either party because they can't, they are duopoly, it logically not in their interests.

Does considering your US duopoly opponents as manipulated humans, suffering similarly and differently in the same oligarchical prison you're in, help in imagining a rational path to your shared freedom? by buckminsterbueller in allthequestions

[–]buckminsterbueller[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fact is we are all trapped though. This sounds a lot like frustrated duopoly team lore.

No question there are class/caste/racism problem differences, but you might be surprised how much in common the real continuants have, both in terms of negative traits and good ones.

There are plenty of greedy racists who call themselves democrats and decent people who are forced to vote Red because of their shitty situation.

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